Strategy vs Tactics


(Zan) #1

I’ve been mostly interested in general strategy, for ET. However, in clan games, tactics could have a deeper impact (and strategy should be mostly known by everyone).

By specific tactics I mean series of movements and actions prepared to be done by some teammates that are not just part of the general map or game strategy. As could be, making some sort of strong attack with no advancement to give time for two teammates to make a trickplant.


(Ifurita) #2

huh?


(amazinglarry) #3

So the color green versus the color green…

I’m gonna have to say the color green… :smiley:


(Zan) #4

Ok, English is not my 1st language, but the difference between those two terms is mostly the same everywere.

Strategy:

Strategy describes a broad perspective on how resources are to be used to achieve some goal.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language (4th ed., 2000): “1a. The science and art of using all the forces of a nation to execute approved plans as effectively as possible during peace or war. b. The science and art of military command as applied to the overall planning and conduct of large-scale combat operations.”

The Department of Defense definition is: “The art and science of developing and using political, economic, psychological, and military forces as necessary during peace and war, to afford the maximum support to policies, in order to increase the probabilities and favorable consequences of victory and to lessen the chances of defeat.” (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/)

In Foundations of Leninism, Stalin writes: “Strategy is the determination of the direction of the main blow of the proletariat at a given stage of the revolution, the elaboration of a corresponding plan for the disposition of the revolutionary forces (main and secondary reserves), the fight to carry out this plan throughout the given stage of the revolution.”

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) provides this historical definition: “The art of a commander-in-chief; the art of projecting and directing the larger military movements and operations of a campaign. Usually distinguished from tactics, which is the art of handling forces in battle or in the immediate presence of the enemy.”
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Tactics:
As the OED definition indicates, “strategy” is usually opposed to “tactics”, where tactics is the deployment of forces in some specific instance of applying strategy.
For example, The American Heritage® Dictionary states: “1a. The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy”
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The Department of Defense defines tactics: “1. The employment of units in combat. 2. The ordered arrangement and maneuver of units in relation to each other and/or to the enemy in order to use their full potentialities.”

Stalin states: “Tactics are the determination of the line of conduct of the proletariat in the comparatively short period of the flow or ebb of the movement, of the rise or decline of the revolution, the fight to carry out this line by means of replacing old forms of struggle and organization by new ones, old slogans by new ones, by combining these forms, etc.” And later in the same paragraph: “Tactics are a part of strategy, subordinate to it and serving it.”

The OED, in its definition of strategy, includes this quote from A. T. Mahan’s Sea Power: [Strategy applies] “[b]efore hostile armies or fleets are brought into contact (a word which perhaps better than any other indicates the dividing line between tactics and strategy).”

But anyway, my question was: For clan wars you learn and train specific tactics? (“tactic #1 in battery, Bob starts building to lure an opponent, Jack throws a grenade behind him, and Jim picks the pants if opponent’s corpse falls to beach”).

Or for the contrary you mostly use strategy? (“We’ll try the fast build with pant taking chances for 5 minutes, is doesn’t work; artillery, nades, mortar, and build.”)


([B]Visa) #5

I’m trying to understand… but I think I see what you’re saying…

I would say that strategy is most important yet strategy is basically made up of individual tactics in coordination with each other (if that makes any sense)

So the engy setting up mines, the field ups placing an artillary strike, the covert stealing uniforms, and the medics reviving fallen teammates are all technically tactics employed by individual players to serve as an overall strategy…

So tactics are very important as is strategy because it would be tough to be a successful clan without both working in harmony :clap:

I may have missed the point but those are my feelings :drink:

Ike-T


(Bongoboy) #6

er, do you mean an Organised Team versus Lots Of Individuals Running Around Like Particles In Brownian Motion And Shooting And Blowing Things Up?

I think you may have answered your own question there.

:moo:


(Kendle) #7

Er, yes, well, um, I’m a bit confused too. Most Clans would use the terms “strategy” and “tactics” inter-changebly. At best I’d go with what Visa says, which is that “strategy” encompasses a set of “tactics”, maybe? As you say, “strategy” may represent an overall appraisal of what needs to be done (and is therefore more likely to be known by the other team), whereas “tactics” are the specific movements and actions the team employs to execute the “strategy”.

Either way, a Clan that plays without strats / tacs, loses, unless the other team are much, much weaker. Furthermore, each team is likely to have a whole set of “tactics” for different phases of the game, and for different situations (depending on how the other team attacks / defends, for instance).


(Ifurita) #8

Here would be my definitions.

Strategy: Gameplan for how a team plans to conduct offense or defense of a map, e.g., create crossfire at x by employing 3 x 2-man teams at A, B, and C. Team falls back to Axis Garrison once event D happens and takes up position at North gun (3 people) and South Gun (3 people)

Tactics: The lower level techniques that the team or individuals use to make the strategy unfold. E.g., teams travel in a dispersed formation, upon enemy contact, everyone comes on line and shoots, LT’s place arty at specified spots, upon respawn, you make sure you have at least 2 other people before heading back in to attack.

Both are important to winning the game


(Korollary) #9

I made a similar post in the past. My opinions are mostly based on RTCW competition experience, but ET competition is similar (for now, after a handful of matches).

Tactics do exist per their dictionary definition, and they can be as simple as taking a panzerfaust to clear the bank in goldrush. More complicated tactics that employ a sequence of actions by several teammates do exist, but they are most often defensive tactics. The most common such tactic is the crossfire setups near choke-points.

Offence usually lacks such eloborations, since it’s difficult to guarantee live teammates near the action area. This is an area where I think ET can surpass RTCW, as you can rely on your mortar to be ready pretty easily. And if you have a covert op deployed somewhere, like a sniper, etc., you have more options for exotic offensive manoeuvres, involving multiple soldiers.

Strategic decisions are very few; most common type is giving up one of the objectives on dual objective maps, like radar. Also on radar, on offence, it’s a strategic decision where you spawn, etc. Even though the effects are not minor, they are not easily noticeable by players themselves (there’s a lot of action going on).

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(playero) #10

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BTW , who are the other 2 dancers?


([B]Visa) #11

Your guess is as good as mine, I just used it cause it looks kinda silly :banana:

Ike-T


(Freedom[]Tickler) #12

its uber silly visa : )

as defined, ET is all tactics - the only thing resembling strategy in ET is getting 16 people on 1 server, on time, and getting the scrim / match started - and thats what made patton say … all other forms of human endeavor pale in significance compared to an ET scrim