stop with the 'sv_fps 30' ffs


(evilsock) #81

um, I originally started messing around with cvars on Quake - the display was too dark on my ATI Mach64 card :open_mouth: - didn’t have a 3Dfx card so the 3d stuff was all software rendered :open_mouth: - ppl needed to be able to mess with their settings to get their internet connections playing right also. Have you ever tried to play QuakeWorld on a sub-V34 modem? You’ll know then that you need to fucktard the settings every time for a new server to get clean play. Same goes for Quake2, Quake3, RtCW and ET (and anyother online game that your considering using with your modem) - it’s only in the last few years that ppl have been able to get fast connections without paying massive amounts of money to miserable theiving Telco’s - it wasn’t so long ago that ISDN was going to change the world…

As for the fps thing, what’s the baseline? I’m a V90 modem user and as such I’m very restricted to the servers I can play a useful role on (UK only, minimum amount of hops to server kind of thing) - now I’ve messed around with the netconfig settings for q3 based games and I can say that for each of the servers I play on there’s a certain amount of tweaking that has to happen (especially with ET - server to server without fail I have to change cl_maxpackets, rate, and snaps even too. Now I know you might sit back and chortle ‘But we’ve already told you that snaps above sv_fps makes no difference’ , but I can tell you that on a modem setup it does. appear to.

Let me give you the following example (sorry lads, it’s for RtCW not ET)

Get your old dusty modem out of the closet, get your fave AOL CD from the coffee table and get yourself a dial-up connction (no, really don’t use AOL, Freeserve or BT - use a game dial-ip provider like Jolt if you can - shaves off some more ms from your ping) - treat yourself to a fresh install of RtCW and go-online without changing a thing. Fire-up RtCW and just set your default recommended settings along with ‘modem’ play for online speed and go to this server;

212.137.70.2:22222 [FuN] Depot

Now I live in a village outside of a small city - the local exchange is analog and there’s no upgrade to BB, DSL or ISDN - line noise is more or less ok - I’m telling you this so you have an idea of the environment I’m in for using my modem to connect my pc to the internet to play a game online.

Now by my reckoning your going to have a bumpy ride on that server. - set cg_lagometer 1 so you can see just how bumpy it really is. Now it seems to take 5 minutes of actually being on a server before lag calms down a little bit and you can actually play but I’m betting that your connection doesn’t stay consistant enough to really ‘play’ or compete - most likely if you can stand it, you’ll end up just supplying ammo or health to ppl because you can’t firefight with bad lag.

These are the setting I use for accessing that [FuN] server;

rate : start this at 5000 and work your way back - have a keybind for a very low rate (/2500 or /3600 to cleardown chokes)

PB_Sleep “300” // slow frequency of PB updates down a bit

seta cl_maxpackets “15” // works great for me but I wonder what it lloks like for other folk.

seta com_maxfps “43” // can go higher (Ti4200) but best for modemplay
seta cl_packetdup “0” // I only want one copy of a packet thanks
seta cg_predictItems “0” // I only pickup what I really have
seta cl_timenudge “0” // disable for anti-lagged servers (-20 for non-anti)
seta snaps 40

Now I do all kinds of graphical tweaking - I drop the detail down as far as PB will let me and I also brighten everything up as far as PB allows - I need ‘something’ so I can claw-back the advantage high-speeders have over me.

Now wierdly, with snaps set that high I actually seem to get a better rate (no pun) of accuracy with my shooting - often the connection doesn’t choke as badly either - The downside is that having cl_maxpackets set so low means that for some reason there are times when you just lose the inbound packets from the game server - if this happens I just up maxpackets 'til I find a sweetspot - if it’s late at night that might be 30, 50 or even as high as 100 - this doesn’t work for all servers and maybe the it’s as bani suggests and server admins set this value high without first realising it’s implications (I’m not suggesting that this is the case with FuN servers however).

Now you can say I’ve been on the crack pipe again but a combination of low maxpacket, a rate of 5000 to a game server which pings under 280ms and a snaps of 40 seems to give me a very smooth ride - I don’t know what this must look like for other players on the server, but for me it’s great - I still get chokey lag - but it’s not often and can be managed (ie I can still have a lot of fun with the game online).

What I’m getting it as that those settings work for me and according to you having /snaps set so high shouldn’t make any different but it bloody does!


(lennyballa) #82

that took long to typ didn’t it :wink:


(HairyPlums) #83

It may have…by by Crom, he owned LoXodonte :p.

A perfect illustration from eilsock as to WHY cvar tweakability is neccessary in the first place - there is no such animal as a standard “baseline” PC configuration or network connection.

I suggest the aforementioed LoX just sticks to the Xbox, and then he’ll have no worries…


(LoXodonte) #84

heh, I don’t own an x-box sry.

No offense, but is it really necessary to have leagues work around people with slow pc’s and slow connections? Really, how many CAL Main or invite players are bump’n round on a 56k. Give me a break. We’re going to work the whole system around people with out of date harddware?!!?!? Pubs can do whatever they want, and CAL open can do the same. But for the peeps that are potential professional calibur players and not tweakers, lets have a more refined and restricted config. We don’t want to waste our time on peeps who script auto lags and such.

You were saying plums?


(bani) #85

etpro defeats lag scripts, sorry :smiley:


(LoXodonte) #86

ETPro!

Who said anything about etpro? 1 mod that defeats lag scripts… That’s hardly a accomplishment. (I bet I could beat it anyway) To me, it’s meamingless unless it’s in rtcw osp: where I feel the BEST competition is, and where stricter cvars need to be.

Oh btw bani, I remember a conversation we had a LONG time ago in #rtcwmods. I suggested a ET mod that would convert ET into RTCW. You thought it was a terrible idea…what changed between then and now?

I also spoke of the power programmers posses on mod development, inherently too much. A mod CAN get off the ground without modelers, skinners, or Audio engineers… It can’t however survive without programmers. This inherent power is generally accompanied by swelling egos as well, which apparently results in one man modteams that find creative inspiration from people they argue with online!


(bani) #87

Nothing changed between then and now. etpro doesnt turn et into rtcw.

your resentment of programmers hasnt changed since the last time I talked to you, either… :rolleyes:

And FWIW etpro is no longer a 1-man modteam. There’s been 4 programmers on etpro for a while now.


(Domipheus) #88

:smiley:


(evilsock) #89

LoXodonte,

Shouldn’t you be ranting at the league ppl to enforce this via PB settings? Why are you choosing to abuse a developer instead? - FWIW I’m quite happy to see you on Jolt3 anytime you like - I’ll borrow a BB connection specially for it :slight_smile:


(LoXodonte) #90

The league won’t do anything if I’m a minority request. The idea woud be to create a new topic, see if it gets hot, and if people agree with me, send it to the league admins. Forums are a nice play to start.

I’m not abusing Bani, just pay’n him back. 2 Seperate issues really. I’ll give him the benifit of the doubt and assume that he had a moist maxi between his legs the other nights we talked…

…it happens.


(LoXodonte) #91

4 programmers!

Sounds like this could turn into a light bulb joke very easily…

Why only programmers?


(Sauron|EFG) #92

Then don’t do it in public. Bani has a strong community support, and bashing him here will only make you look bad. (That’s just a tip.)

How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
None, it’s a hardware problem…


(evilsock) #93

heh - nice one Bani :open_mouth: I re-installed ET last night and decided to tweak it for modem play properly (never bothered before) - I see what you mean about ETPro servers - bloody thing wouldn’t let me change my rate and such like without re-joining the server!

The ET modem players mantra;

cap FPS, cap FPS, cap FPS…


(Homer J) #94

Have Jolt started doing their dialup service again? Last I heard they had packed up, were keeping it going for existing customers but not taking on new ones because it wasn’t paying.


(DG) #95

AFAIK there’s nildram, which is basically the same thing - though nildram unmetered is v expensive iirc. for dialup, more so than any other connection, you need to try out a bunch of ISPs and see whats fastest. For my ISDN, only BTow and Freeserve are good, with 4 hops to jolt gameservers. every other ISP i’ve tried has been 8+. Other people find BTow and FS are crappy. All depends, you just have to try out several and see who’s best.

And yeah, even single channel (64k) ISDN is FAR better than 56k. Nearly double bandwidth, waaay better ping and like 100x more stable. dual-channel would probably be as good as DSL on normal servers (probably even fine when using a low quality voice comm).


(LoXodonte) #96

Then don’t do it in public. Bani has a strong community support, and bashing him here will only make you look bad. (That’s just a tip.)

How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
None, it’s a hardware problem…[/quote]

Honestly, I don’t care how I look. If I really cared about appearance, I wouldn’t be seen in public with your mom. Tonight I’m treating her to Mc Donalds so clearly that’s not an issue.

I’m not writing in here to win a popularity contest. I don’t spend enough time in these forums to really worry about my image…

Besides, if image was a genuine concern I prolly wouldn’t be arguing with a 15 yearold would I?

Anyway, I can smack who I want in pub forums. If I don’t curse or piss off an admin, and try to keep my posts somewhat entertaining, their shouldn’t be a problem. If you want, maybe you should seek a promotion beyound fanboy status…you too could reach moderator someday.


(Sauron|EFG) #97

Wow, impressive how you can squeeze all those insults into a single post.

Now tell me which toy you got with your Happy Meal. :blah:


(mouse) #98

Oops! You forgot 1 thing, stay ontopic! Delete his post! :banana:

(damn, now im offtopic myself too)


(LoXodonte) #99

mouse?

As in [mouse]

??

Why you gonna scare my sde away…bish.


(mouse) #100

No its mouse as in :banghead: