Stop complaining about the new AC.

(SteelMailbox) #1

I have seen enough threads saying that the AC sucks because it kicks people that aren’t hacking and cheaters are back.
A question for you people that actually believe this AC sucks, have you read what the mods wrote about the programming of the AC?
They said a few times that when people are getting kicked that’s because the AC crashed and they are trying to fix it.
Another thing about the cheaters are back thing, 1st of all I personally haven’t encountered hackers since update.
2nd is VAC able to get rid completely of all cheaters? In fact no game is able to get rid of all cheaters, an AC’s job is to find hackers and ban them plus trying to make hacks unusable at the start but hacks aren’t easy to get rid of because no matter what people will still try to crack the code (quite literately) and produce hacks.
So the AC can’t get rid of all hacks no matter what, it can only decrease the amount.
2nd the devs are looking into AC related bugs.

Conclusion: Stop bitching about an anti cheat YOU clearly wanted to come.

Edit: I’m not saying you should stop reporting bugs, not at all. Just stop saying that this AC sucks.

(Nail) #2

it worries me when I read pretty much identical things about BlackCipher (the new ac) as I did about xignpoop

(triteCherry) #3

The only time i’ve seen anti cheat do what people unrealistically expected it to do was when the game population was so low that I suppose the kiddy scripters figured it wasn’t even worth the effort and moved on to a different game.

(Jurmabones) #4

Yeah, keep being a mindless fanboy telling everyone to stop giving any feedback. I hope you’ll enjoy the taste of your own words after some time passes and it’s obvious the new ac hasn’t done anything still.

(MissMurder) #5

Just asking for patience here. Tbh it can only get better. The crashing security violation thing is unfortunate and we are working on it as fast as possible. As for the overall effectiveness I can say it’s already better than xign. We are able to block new hacks on the fly and all that. So of course it’s not perfect yet- it’s still brand spankin new. You better believe the hackers are trying with all their might to find ways in but the good news is as soon as we find those new cheats and workarounds we can nip them in the bud. Have faith. I know it’s been frustrating for a long time so no one is patting themselves on the back for this… Just again asking for patience, reports, and together we can fight them off better than we have before.

(Edzer) #6

AC is here for just a week, people shouldn’t start complaining just yet.

(XavienX) #7

I never complain about my air conditioner during summer.

(AirborneVolley) #8

Agree with MissMurder, the anti cheat is new, fresh, young and needs to grow up. We clearly notice a lot less hackers, yet there are a few who still succeed to use a bot, which i mostly see in competetive. If we all give feedback and say what is going wrong, SD can only make the programm more solid. Just have patience guys, the game runs awesome IMO for still being in a beta build.

(TheDoctorHax) #9

This… god tier man

(B_Montiel) #10

People thinking that VAC is the holy grail of AC tools are totally clueless. It’s working decently on Valve’s games because they have direct interest in its success. I’ve yet to see a non-valve VAC supported game where it works nicely.

(Nail) #11

afaik, the anti cheat is only new to DB, it’s what they’ve used on Combat Arms for years

(N8o) #12

The job of a coder isn’t exactly an easy one.

(Jostabeere) #13

Simple people don’t care about things they don’t understand. If it doesn’t work like they want it, they hate it. Happened often enough through history.

(Jurmabones) #14

First, thanks for the reply. Second, could you at least give some reassuring stats, even if they’re completely fabricated? For example, how many millions of hackers has the new system banned already? It’d help us skeptics feel better. Thanks. :stuck_out_tongue:

Also, reporting feels pointless. No matter what I get the same non-committal reply about every single report I send in. Why can’t you guys just disclose whether a person got banned or not? I have to go through a very tedious process submitting through your website only to be told “Oh don’t worry, we aren’t going to tell you a thing but thanks anyway.” Combine that with there being no tangible improvement in game and it’s quite hard to exercise patience to the extent of not saying anything at all.

Get rid of your name and shame policy and start telling players what you’re actually doing to reported players. Even if I got emails saying, “We looked into it but determined they are legitimate,” that’d be an improvement. Or even start telling players exactly how much evidence is needed to get a hacker actually banned. As of right now it seems like the entire report system is intentionally vague because its only purpose is to fool gullible players into thinking you’re actually taking reports seriously or actually going to do anything about it. Hate to say it but this game will fail if you keep treating your anti-cheat and report system like a Ron Popeil infomerical (“set it and forget it”).

P.S. Nobody here is calling VAC great. To pretend it’s anywhere near on par with Dirty Bomb’s ac is ridiculous and everyone knows it. If it were no better than why is Dirty Bomb in particular saturated with hackers while anything on VAC only has a very small or nearly undetectable hacker problem? When’s the last time you saw a hacker every single day–hell, how about in more matches than not–playing Counter-Strike or TF2? Anyone?

(JesseKomm) #15

First, thanks for the reply. Second, could you at least give some reassuring stats, even if they’re completely fabricated? For example, how many millions of hackers has the new system banned already? It’d help us skeptics feel better. Thanks. :stuck_out_tongue:

Also, reporting feels pointless. No matter what I get the same non-committal reply about every single report I send in. Why can’t you guys just disclose whether a person got banned or not? I have to go through a very tedious process submitting through your website only to be told “Oh don’t worry, we aren’t going to tell you a thing but thanks anyway.” Combine that with there being no tangible improvement in game and it’s quite hard to exercise patience to the extent of not saying anything at all.

Get rid of your name and shame policy and start telling players what you’re actually doing to reported players. Even if I got emails saying, “We looked into it but determined they are legitimate,” that’d be an improvement. Or even start telling players exactly how much evidence is needed to get a hacker actually banned. As of right now it seems like the entire report system is intentionally vague because its only purpose is to fool gullible players into thinking you’re actually taking reports seriously or actually going to do anything about it. Hate to say it but this game will fail if you keep treating your anti-cheat and report system like a Ron Popeil infomerical (“set it and forget it”).

P.S. Nobody here is calling VAC great. To pretend it’s anywhere near on par with Dirty Bomb’s ac is ridiculous and everyone knows it. If it were no better than why is Dirty Bomb in particular saturated with hackers while anything on VAC only has a very small or nearly undetectable hacker problem? When’s the last time you saw a hacker every single day–hell, how about in more matches than not–playing Counter-Strike or TF2? Anyone?[/quote]

I feel as though you are blowing things out of proportion, you’re treating this as though this anti-cheat was meant to be a magical and instantaneous fix for all of our problems. Now you may just be getting terrible luck because my experience shows a major reduction in hackers, whether that is the anti-cheat at work or them being frightened, either way it’s doing it’s job.

As for them removing the no naming and shaming policy, I doubt they will and they have a perfectly good reason for keeping it. Under the Forum FAQ thread it is said, “Reporting players through the forums can be seen as harassment as it can lead to disruptive, inflammatory behavior.” and I completely agree with this such rule, we want these forums to be a respectable environment after all and even though cheaters break these rules we should not stoop to their level to report them.

I’d say you should wait while the development team works out the bugs on this new anti-cheat and then you can come on here and give your feedback, but until then no one is going to take you seriously if you don’t acknowledge that it is a new system in a beta game… that very statement implies there will be problems and we’ll all face them from time-to-time, just report and be on your way(Just make sure it’s not being excessively reported on or else it’ll just be forum spam and then closed). If you’re not a patient person then that’s not their fault, take a break from the game if you cannot handle it; besides we don’t want to get burnt out on gameplay before official release.

(Jurmabones) #16

What if it crashes occasionally for the next month? 3 months? Until official release? Should we all wait still to give any feedback? How do we determine when exactly we should be able to give feedback anyways? Who exactly has the right to dictate to others when they’re allowed to give feedback or not anyways? Why should there be a complete lack of feedback on the anti-cheat in the first place simply because it’s new? You see the problem with what you’re saying already but let me continue.

It’s not like I’m saying anything untrue or being inflammatory with my posts. I’m not threatening to quit, I’m not name-calling, I’m not on some smear campaign. I’m not even calling the game bad, I’m simply pointing out what’s completely observable. I’m simply calling the new anti-cheat bad.

If people kept making posts about how WONDERFUL and GREAT the new anti-cheat is gee whiz thanks splash, none of you would be in those threads telling them “Hey, it’s new, stop giving feedback! Just be patient, even if you’re happy with it!” No! You’re only here bothering people willing to point out the bad. You’re falling for SD’s/Nexon’s damage control and contributing to it yourself by trying to police other users’ posts.

I play this game daily and have supported SD/Nexon/Dirty Bomb heavily, I’m not some casual free-to-player who’s just griping. I’ve spent more money on it and more hours per day on it than I care to admit right now. I really do enjoy Dirty Domb, and I do put up with the hackers. I put up with whatever issues I’ve come across because the game is fun and I want it to succeed, which is precisely why I’m taking the time to make these large posts in addition to the time and money I spend on the actual game. Getting complacent and keeping quiet is never going to contribute to the game’s potential long-term success.

The most obvious, glaring issue in this game is hacking. I will admit my claims that the new anti-cheat is already a failure is a bit premature, but considering they released it in a state such that it crashes, tells me the new anti-cheat was released more to appease players than because it was ready to be released. I’m saying all this because it seems pretty obvious to me that it is the case and that I’ve spoken to many players who feel precisely the same way. I don’t see any upside to withholding my opinion but there’s plenty of upside to sharing it.

I want this game to do well, and forgoing my ability to provide relevant criticism will only contribute to the game’s potential long-term failure. As I asked at the beginning of my post, who is to decide and how are they to decide when it is okay to give feedback and what exactly is considered legitimate feedback? There is no logical or fair way to put a time frame restriction on player feedback, that’s just stupid in the first place. Why would you even ask your customer base to not tell you what you think is wrong with their game any way?

Now, I’ll stop posting about the anti-cheat for a while since I’ve at least got evidence a dev actually saw what I’ve said for now, and not to mention avoiding all the responses from people trying to burn me at the stake for having something other than low expectations.

But know this: in the day and age of free-to-plays with DLC and microtransactions being the dominant business model, throwing time and money at a game but never speaking up about your opinion will always leave you with a bad game that has no future in it.

(Mescman) #17

Well… Could also fix the voting system, 6 to 1 voting to kick a hacker AAAND “vote failed” - can someone who has any experience in game development, explain how the F’in hard can it be to make a working votekick system?

It’s really pathetic.

(N8o) #18

[quote=“Mescman;70659”]Well… Could also fix the voting system, 6 to 1 voting to kick a hacker AAAND “vote failed” - can someone who has any experience in game development, explain how the F’in hard can it be to make a working votekick system?

It’s really pathetic.[/quote]

“Is that called arrayReverse?”

“s/camel/_/”

“Cool thanks.”

Wasn’t that guy helpful? With the camel? Doesn’t that seem like an appropriate response? No? Good. You can still find Jesus. You have not yet spent so much of your life reading code that you begin to talk in it. The human brain isn’t particularly good at basic logic and now there’s a whole career in doing nothing but really, really complex logic. Vast chains of abstract conditions and requirements have to be picked through to discover things like missing commas. Doing this all day leaves you in a state of mild aphasia as you look at people’s faces while they’re speaking and you don’t know they’ve finished because there’s no semicolon. You immerse yourself in a world of total meaninglessness where all that matters is a little series of numbers went into a giant labyrinth of symbols and a different series of numbers or a picture of a kitten came out the other end.

(bwort110) #19

[quote=“steelMailbox;16783”]I have seen enough threads saying that the AC sucks because it kicks people that aren’t hacking and cheaters are back.
A question for you people that actually believe this AC sucks, have you read what the mods wrote about the programming of the AC?
They said a few times that when people are getting kicked that’s because the AC crashed and they are trying to fix it.
Another thing about the cheaters are back thing, 1st of all I personally haven’t encountered hackers since update.
2nd is VAC able to get rid completely of all cheaters? In fact no game is able to get rid of all cheaters, an AC’s job is to find hackers and ban them plus trying to make hacks unusable at the start but hacks aren’t easy to get rid of because no matter what people will still try to crack the code (quite literately) and produce hacks.
So the AC can’t get rid of all hacks no matter what, it can only decrease the amount.
2nd the devs are looking into AC related bugs.

Conclusion: Stop bitching about an anti cheat YOU clearly wanted to come.

Edit: I’m not saying you should stop reporting bugs, not at all. Just stop saying that this AC sucks.[/quote]

nice story bro watch youtube and see the cheater alive. Sorry when this destroys ur romantic world.

(SteelMailbox) #20

@bwort110 I don’t think you read that, it says that there is 100% no chance that all cheaters will be eradicated but they will be decreased and that is the job of an AC NGS is doing good job decreasing the numbers, I also recommend you will read what @MissMurder wrote.