starforce


(Joe999) #1

found this user expierence on http://www.glop.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=334

Starforce installs a driver in the windows/system32/drivers directory which MUST be installed by an admin account, the driver itself grants ring0 access on any user level opening up a rather large backdoor for other viruses or malware to act through. The driver works (as best as can seen due to its aggressive usage of the system - e.g you cant run a debugger on your system at the same time as the drivers nor can you see ANY memory locations it uses for itself or very often the game it will run with). It also performs checks on drives and will cause many errors in the event log due to the way it verifies CD’s, this eventually will force the users drive to run in PIO mode (and most people have no idea what PIO mode is let alone how to repair this.
As you probably know forcing a drive to run in PIO mode isnt a good idea.

Furthermore Starforce will run on the system even when the game isnt running, one symptom of this is that starforce blocks the reading of DPM readings making it impossible to backup ANY software which needs these readings (basically every game out there).

Also when the game is removed, the starforce stays present on the users system and the user is Neither informed in the EULA or game that these drivers are being installed and that they will remain on the system, a tool is available on starforces website but it seems with the latest version of starforce it doesnt remove all the files anymore, so even when the game isnt present starforce is still hiding on the system preventing the user from using their computer how they want.

Starforce will also perform a system reset to protect itself if it thinks that someone is toying with it, this is probably one of the more dangerous things about it as it simply is terrible at this detection and often will reboot your system randomly, I myself once installed Colin McRae Rally 2005 and had several resets in game, after a few of these my HD started to make a strange noise and operate in PIO mode, I fixed this back to DMA mode and it reset another time, this time I couldnt ever access my drive again to the point where a format was impossible, the drive has been taken apart and I keep it on my desk as a reminder not to instal a starforce protected game no matter how good the game may be.

The newer versions of starforce will also replace system files (such as the USB driver) so its better able to detect if the disc is a copy or original, this is not good news as their own drivers are bad enough but replacing windows files is going beyond the limits of what anyone should take.

I also know several people personally who have lost optical drives (to my knowledge im the only person to lose a harddrive to it) and contacted SF to enter their competition only to be directed to (the rather terrible) customer support, he was told several times to do this and the comp ended.

There are also several known bugs that are easily reproduced such as nero incompatabilities, it stops the user being able to burn discs.
Starforces answer to this has been “our software doesnt do that but if it does we are covered by the EULA”.

If you are serious about including starforce I must warn you that Starforce take an aggresive stance to those who speak out against them, you can find details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce about some of these incidents and also more information about it there too.

after having issues with securom (BSODs), i’m not going to buy any product that comes with starforce copy protection after i’ve read this. actually this would be the first time i think of not buying qw: if it would come with starforce. hopefully that never happens :smiley:

what are your experiences with bugged copy protection?


(LeVortex) #2

Starfocrce sucks but it is a good protection against pirating but it is also a HELL for people who really bought the game, because it somethings just say that you have a illigal version of the game.
If ET:QW have starforce protection I will install it because the game is awesome.


(ParanoiD) #3

I have no problem with Trackmania Nations. It is free but uses starforce to protect its game that you cannot use maps from their other games for which you need to pay.


(LeVortex) #4

I play that game too!!! it is really fun, but I don’t know if you have tried trackmania sunrise. that was a real hell for me with a 350MB update for 64-bit processors


(B0rsuk) #5

Some other info

  • many demos and free stuff such as Trackmania or Heroes5 beta install Starforce on your computer.
  • Starforce couldn’t stand that Galactic Civilisations 2, a game made by independent developer/publisher sells so well. And it has only minor copy protection mechanisms, with authors giving you permissions to install on as many PC’s as you like.
    So what they did ? Starforce employee posted a linked to Galactic Civilisations 2 warez . Seriously, can you trust your PC to people using such tactics ? I don’t think so.

List of games containing Starforce:
http://www.glop.org/starforce/list.php

I think ET:QW won’t contain it, because that would be very, very stupid. CDkey protection is more than enough for online-only game.


(Svanire) #6

It would be a very foolish choice to choose starforce as CD protection, due to its reputation.

Games are going to be pirated no matter what fancy copy protection is introduced. In the end its only honest people who buy the game who have to put up with starforce.

If you like sales DONT go with starforce.


(fattakin) #7

Never heard of it, sounds a bit like Sony’s root kit. (BAD) Hope id dont use it for QW!


(Ragnar_40k) #8

sd should make sure that players can install and play ET:QW w/o admin rights - this includes installing drivers of any kind. Even PB (I guess PB will be part of ET:QW) doesn’t need full admin rights to function.

I wanted to try out the “Ubersoldier” demo some days ago, but even the demo had a copy protection including driver installation - now they have one (potential) buyer less …


(Sick Boy) #9

It would be real stupid to use starforce for an online game that requires key authing anyway. The only reason it’s on TM Nations (which is basicly mp only too) is so TM Sunrise wouldn’t get cracked (it still ain’t).

I hope ET:QW comes with no CD/DVD protection at all, and doesn’t require the disk in drive.

Btw, TM Nations is the best game since ET was released. Grab it if you don’t fear the starforce.
It’s real strange the best games are for free ! Communism FTW!


(GlobalWar) #10

Quake 4 got an official no DVD patch in no time so prolly this will also be the case for QW…(i hope)…


(LeVortex) #11

Starforce can be cracked like all copyprotections so it would be stupid for this game because a serial protection would be better because it will be a online game. Ofcourse you can play with a illigal version of the game but only on laggy servers


(kamikazee) #12

Trackmania (the first one) was just as good, if not better. (Puzzle mode)

It’s nice though that they release a free version.


(Sauron|EFG) #13

When my CD burner stopped working after installing D3 (which afaik uses Safedisc) I promised myself I’ll never buy a game that installs their own drivers for “copy protection”. Someone please remind me about that when ET:QW is released, so I don’t accidentally break my own promise. :stuck_out_tongue:

I wouldn’t mind it so much if they informed me before buying, reminded me when installing, and offered me a removal tool.


(Sick Boy) #14

Trackmania (the first one) was just as good, if not better. (Puzzle mode)

It’s nice though that they release a free version.[/quote]

yeah I know I own all 3 and expansions
But I played 1 & Sunrise too much I’m into Nations now :slight_smile:


(ParanoiD) #15

Yeah, TMN is cool. These games are perfect. Maybe not the best graphics. But the gameplay is good just as it used to be in the old DOS games. ET and TMN are good quality games for free. You have other free games, but those arent as good as these (runescape etc…)


(Joe999) #16

here’s info how you can easily detect whether you have starforce installed or not:

http://www.glop.org/starforce/detect.php

and this is a list of games you shouldn’t buy:

http://www.glop.org/starforce/list.php


(LeVortex) #17

When my CD burner stopped working after installing D3 (which afaik uses Safedisc) I promised myself I’ll never buy a game that installs their own drivers for “copy protection”. Someone please remind me about that when ET:QW is released, so I don’t accidentally break my own promise.

I wouldn’t mind it so much if they informed me before buying, reminded me when installing, and offered me a removal tool.

What is D3??
on the net are plenty of removal tools so if you google you would find them…


(ParanoiD) #18

I see you havent done your game homework yet…

You should learn this list:
D1: Doom
D2: Doom2
D3: Doom3
Q1: Quake
Q2: Quake2
Q3: Quake3
Q4: Quake4
ET/W:ET/WET: Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
ET:QW/ETQW/QW: Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
RTCW: Return To Castle Wolfenstein
Wolf3D: Wolfenstein 3D
COD: Call of Duty
COD2: Call of Duty 2
FC: Farcry
TMN: Trackmania Nations
TM: Trackmania
TMS: Trackmania Sunrise
DOTT: Day of the tentacle
BF1942/BF/BF42: Batllefield 1942
BF2: Battlefield 2
BFV/BF:V: Battlefield Vietnam
RA: Red Alert
RA2: Red Alert 2

etc. etc. etc.


(LeVortex) #19

LeVortex wrote:
What is D3??

I see you havent done your game homework yet…

You should learn this list:
D1: Doom
D2: Doom2
D3: Doom3
Q1: Quake
Q2: Quake2
Q3: Quake3
Q4: Quake4
ET/W:ET/WET: Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
ET:QW/ETQW/QW: Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
RTCW: Return To Castle Wolfenstein
Wolf3D: Wolfenstein 3D
COD: Call of Duty
COD2: Call of Duty 2
FC: Farcry
TMN: Trackmania Nations
TM: Trackmania
TMS: Trackmania Sunrise
DOTT: Day of the tentacle
BF1942/BF/BF42: Batllefield 1942
BF2: Battlefield 2
BFV/BF:V: Battlefield Vietnam
RA: Red Alert
RA2: Red Alert 2

etc. etc. etc.

thnx


(Sauron|EFG) #20

I thought FC was FreeCell. :stuck_out_tongue: