Splash Damage's message on Reddit, about Phantom.


(novelTimepiece) #41

[quote=“PurpleNurple;42379”]I assume they posted it on reddit because this forum is nothing but NO DON’T NERF MY PHANTOM!! While you all band together and downvote anyone that disagrees with you repeating “oh he’s just new you’ll get over it” instead of trying to satisfy the other side of the player base with solutions. It’s almost as tiresome as the numerous threads being made by players who feel disappointed in the path the game has taken.

Reddit is where people come up with actual comparisons and statistics to try and help balance mercenaries so I’m not surprised they didn’t post it here. Maybe if the forum layout wasn’t so childish (like,dislike,LOL,disagree,agree) they’d also be more compelled to post it here. So yes I’m glad they prefer posting to reddit. Even though most reddit people’s are elitists they actual think about things in an unbiased way and get shit done. (I don’t browse reddit I’m an imgur guy).[/quote]

Oh please, right now the reddit sub is one big circle jerk. If someone even so much as suggests a counter to Phantom they can say good bye to their karma. They aren’t even allowing a discussion to happen, anyone who even slightly disagrees that Phantom is game breakingly OP gets their comment buried with downvotes. At least here we can actually discuss ways of countering Phantom without all the hyperbole and knee jerk rage.


(Eox) #42

[quote=“novelTimepiece;42643”][quote=“PurpleNurple;42379”]I assume they posted it on reddit because this forum is nothing but NO DON’T NERF MY PHANTOM!! While you all band together and downvote anyone that disagrees with you repeating “oh he’s just new you’ll get over it” instead of trying to satisfy the other side of the player base with solutions. It’s almost as tiresome as the numerous threads being made by players who feel disappointed in the path the game has taken.

Reddit is where people come up with actual comparisons and statistics to try and help balance mercenaries so I’m not surprised they didn’t post it here. Maybe if the forum layout wasn’t so childish (like,dislike,LOL,disagree,agree) they’d also be more compelled to post it here. So yes I’m glad they prefer posting to reddit. Even though most reddit people’s are elitists they actual think about things in an unbiased way and get shit done. (I don’t browse reddit I’m an imgur guy).[/quote]

Oh please, right now the reddit sub is one big circle jerk. If someone even so much as suggests a counter to Phantom they can say good bye to their karma. They aren’t even allowing a discussion to happen, anyone who even slightly disagrees that Phantom is game breakingly OP gets their comment buried with downvotes. At least here we can actually discuss ways of countering Phantom without all the hyperbole and knee jerk rage.[/quote]

A “circlejerk” with more than 200 person on it, heh.

Opinions differ.


(litheJacket) #43

But you can see him. Pay more attention.[/quote]
yes you can see him when his katana inside you.


(DMaster2) #44

[quote=“stealthyBass;42080”]
But you can see him. Pay more attention.[/quote]
The only time i see him is when i throw a sensor near me, he uncloak and i start running for my life. Otherwise nada, it’s almost undetectable nor you don’t hear any sound when he gets near you cloaked.


(jetJester) #45

[quote=“cannyEdition;42734”][quote=“stealthyBass;42080”]
But you can see him. Pay more attention.[/quote]
The only time i see him is when i throw a sensor near me, he uncloak and i start running for my life. Otherwise nada, it’s almost undetectable nor you don’t hear any sound when he gets near you cloaked.[/quote]

Problem is, it’s exactly the opposite of what you said, that’s a problem on your end not noticing him man


(Gwarh) #46

Yea, it’s really just the cloak that needs a little bit of tweak.
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It may just be me, but the Cloaks ability to absorb damage while nice, isn’t that big a benefit. As you can’t shot or swing when it’s active.

I guess it can save ya while dashing through a field of fire, or closing on an opponents from the front for Melee, but that shield can also go down pretty fast.

It does feel rewarding when you do spot that Shadowy outline and fill it full of lead.


(DMaster2) #47

[quote=“jetJester;42742”]
Problem is, it’s exactly the opposite of what you said, that’s a problem on your end not noticing him man[/quote]
I can hear ally phantoms doing a noise when clocking near me, yet when i get backstabbed by an opponent’s phantom i never heard a single noise when they come near me. Don’t know if it’s bug or whatever but that’s my experience.


(Nail) #48

this forum is only “official” in nexon’s world


(frolicsomeCrane) #49

Hell no, you’re literally telling the devs to make him as fast as Aura, no one could deal with his damage and his speed when it would come to that, not to mention all the instagibbed people crying over phantom being literally overpowered with so much speed and damage.


(Black) #50

That’s a terrible idea.[/quote]
Not really.
Phantom dosen’t have a real hard weakness.

He dominates mid to close range and has an ample amount of health with a shield to soak up even more damage. He’s basically like fragger only this time he can run faster and he can K.O. people with his katana real easily.

The video merc call for him suggests that it’s best to fight him from long range which is true however is cloak allows him to be unseen at long range until he comes into range.

Take his health away, a versitile person like him does not need 120 health.
-20, give him 100 health and I promise you know one will get mad or complain about him.


(twilightEmperor) #51

True that, any good player with phantom would not need 120hp not with the speed and cloak.


(Kalbuth) #52

[quote=“Eox;42644”][quote=“novelTimepiece;42643”][quote=“PurpleNurple;42379”]I assume they posted it on reddit because this forum is nothing but NO DON’T NERF MY PHANTOM!! While you all band together and downvote anyone that disagrees with you repeating “oh he’s just new you’ll get over it” instead of trying to satisfy the other side of the player base with solutions. It’s almost as tiresome as the numerous threads being made by players who feel disappointed in the path the game has taken.

Reddit is where people come up with actual comparisons and statistics to try and help balance mercenaries so I’m not surprised they didn’t post it here. Maybe if the forum layout wasn’t so childish (like,dislike,LOL,disagree,agree) they’d also be more compelled to post it here. So yes I’m glad they prefer posting to reddit. Even though most reddit people’s are elitists they actual think about things in an unbiased way and get shit done. (I don’t browse reddit I’m an imgur guy).[/quote]

Oh please, right now the reddit sub is one big circle jerk. If someone even so much as suggests a counter to Phantom they can say good bye to their karma. They aren’t even allowing a discussion to happen, anyone who even slightly disagrees that Phantom is game breakingly OP gets their comment buried with downvotes. At least here we can actually discuss ways of countering Phantom without all the hyperbole and knee jerk rage.[/quote]

A “circlejerk” with more than 200 person on it, heh.

Opinions differ.[/quote]
He’s right, though.
I dare point out on reddit that Phantom only needs slight tweaks instead of complete feature removals, I dare say that a Fragger is as effective as a Phantom in competent hands, I get labeled idiot immediatly.
You find this forum stupidly licking SD’s hand? Reddit is on the opposite end of the spectrum, and equally stupid.


(Fap Fap Master) #53

Its only been 3 days in.
People are just horrible at the game and expect it to fall down to their level.


(Eox) #54

[quote=“Kalbuth;43552”][quote=“Eox;42644”][quote=“novelTimepiece;42643”][quote=“PurpleNurple;42379”]I assume they posted it on reddit because this forum is nothing but NO DON’T NERF MY PHANTOM!! While you all band together and downvote anyone that disagrees with you repeating “oh he’s just new you’ll get over it” instead of trying to satisfy the other side of the player base with solutions. It’s almost as tiresome as the numerous threads being made by players who feel disappointed in the path the game has taken.

Reddit is where people come up with actual comparisons and statistics to try and help balance mercenaries so I’m not surprised they didn’t post it here. Maybe if the forum layout wasn’t so childish (like,dislike,LOL,disagree,agree) they’d also be more compelled to post it here. So yes I’m glad they prefer posting to reddit. Even though most reddit people’s are elitists they actual think about things in an unbiased way and get shit done. (I don’t browse reddit I’m an imgur guy).[/quote]

Oh please, right now the reddit sub is one big circle jerk. If someone even so much as suggests a counter to Phantom they can say good bye to their karma. They aren’t even allowing a discussion to happen, anyone who even slightly disagrees that Phantom is game breakingly OP gets their comment buried with downvotes. At least here we can actually discuss ways of countering Phantom without all the hyperbole and knee jerk rage.[/quote]

A “circlejerk” with more than 200 person on it, heh.

Opinions differ.[/quote]
He’s right, though.
I dare point out on reddit that Phantom only needs slight tweaks instead of complete feature removals, I dare say that a Fragger is as effective as a Phantom in competent hands, I get labeled idiot immediatly.
You find this forum stupidly licking SD’s hand? Reddit is on the opposite end of the spectrum, and equally stupid.
[/quote]

A lot of people these days can’t respect an opinion, it’s visibly especially true on Reddit, but it’s also true everywhere, and also on those forums. And you’ll find those kind of people in both camps. It’s something you’ll have to deal with.

In my case, I just give my opinion, and I don’t or rarely try to argue after. I gave my point, I see who is agreeing, who’s disagreeing, who found it interesting, and that’s cool. If someone writes something that I find interesting (agreeing with me or not) and I feel like he won’t blow up at my face if I give an idea he may not like, I may want to debate a bit. If I see an opinion that I don’t like, at worst I just leave a “disagree”, because it’s harmless. Unless that guy is trying to make his argument worth something by insulting the other camp, I’ll hardly leave a “dislike”. I even left some “insightful” notations on some posts that are the absolute opposite of my opinions, just because the guy argued pretty well while being respectful. Respecting opinion is something so rare those days, I think it has to be rewarded someway.

This said, I think it’s better to be downvoted rather than trashtalked. It gives to some people a way to fight against the frustration of being said “no” without insulting people. It’s a bit the case in another forum that I actually moderate : a lot of people are actually throwing insults just because some persons do not agree with them, and we do not have a way to downvote… Of course a massive dose of those downvotes can bury your posts, but in my case I am always too curious so I always open posts that are “buried”. If I see that the guy has been downvoted for giving his opinion, I sometimes leave an upvote, and I doubt that I am the only one. That’s a bit of a paradox, it’s the burried posts that attracts the most your attention. :stuck_out_tongue:


(Kalbuth) #55

Very true! :smiley:


(Mettil) #56

I’m still new to the game but I was thinking about possible Phantom fixes. I don’t think he should be removed outright.

-Have katana replace primary SMG weapon.
-Remove shield effect from cloak so players who spot a cloaked phantom can counter. The shield effectively boosts his HP.
-Keep cloak shield mechanic but either increase cloak energy drain when Phantom is hit or reduce base HP.
-Reduce katana range and fix lasting hit box issue.
-Remove ability to attack while cloaked (similar to spy in TF2).
-Increase energy drain when moving while cloaked or make player more visible when moving while cloaked.


(Dr.Acula) #57

Hell no, you’re literally telling the devs to make him as fast as Aura, no one could deal with his damage and his speed when it would come to that, not to mention all the instagibbed people crying over phantom being literally overpowered with so much speed and damage.
[/quote]

Naw, keep the speed the same.