Splash Damage's message on Reddit, about Phantom.

[jetJester]

i dont need nerf i need remove. i don’t care how much hp he has they can give him 250 hp. All problem with phantom is he is ghost. Phantom can kill you 1 seconds with katana or headshot but you can’t fight back because you can’t see him before he attack you. i love this game too much i never crying op about rhino or any mercs but phantom… it’s just unfair.

You can both hear and see him while he’s invis, honestly your post seem just a “i don’t like that class thus i don’t want to learn how to counter him”

[pnellesen]

[quote=“Ardez;42038”]
People were raging about Rhino being OP. Then either the complainers left or they learned how to fight it.[/quote]

One Rhino isn’t bad. 3 of them with an Aura right behind them - ugh.

[_GER_eclipsE]

[quote=“PNellesen;42116”][quote=“Ardez;42038”]
People were raging about Rhino being OP. Then either the complainers left or they learned how to fight it.[/quote]

One Rhino isn’t bad. 3 of them with an Aura right behind them - ugh.

[/quote]

True, but then there is Nader!

[Resine]

Honestly, i decided not to play DB till something will be done about him.
There is a simple reason behind that, he is not OP, he is not a character that leads a team to win the game.
However, every single time i play against him, i want to throw this game away.
It’s one big joke that should never have a place in DB.

The issues with Phantom,
Katana range is too long.
Lasting hitbox of katana.
Invisibility lasts too long, or the CD is too low.
His cloak gives him a lot of speed, and a shield, therefore even if you see him, it’s not like you can stop him.
As far as i know the slash stakes 108 damage, which is another joke.
On top of that he is given best smg in the game.

There is always a little of negative feedback when the new Merc is introduced, but today was the first time i quit the game in middle of the match, because it was too frustrating to play.

Summary, Phantom is not OP as a class, but he is so frustrating to play with, that i would rather find another game that bother with this. If i would want to play the game, where utilities are most powerful weapons, i would play Smite with all the magic skills, instead of a competitive shooter game.

[stealthyBass]

[quote=“prudentMan;42139”]Honestly, i decided not to play DB till something will be done about him.
There is a simple reason behind that, he is not OP, he is not a character that leads a team to win the game.
However, every single time i play against him, i want to throw this game away.
It’s one big joke that should never have a place in DB.

The issues with Phantom,
Katana range is too long.
Lasting hitbox of katana.
Invisibility lasts too long, or the CD is too low.
His cloak gives him a lot of speed, and a shield, therefore even if you see him, it’s not like you can stop him.
As far as i know the slash stakes 108 damage, which is another joke.
On top of that he is given best smg in the game.

There is always a little of negative feedback when the new Merc is introduced, but today was the first time i quit the game in middle of the match, because it was too frustrating to play.

Summary, Phantom is not OP as a class, but he is so frustrating to play with, that i would rather find another game that bother with this. If i would want to play the game, where utilities are most powerful weapons, i would play Smite with all the magic skills, instead of a competitive shooter game.[/quote]

The range of a sword is too long. I just don’t understand.

[ATTEM]

This phantom situation reminds me of pre-nerf fragger back in closed beta. Eventually phantom will be tweaked for balance once more (Soon I hope?). People need to actually communicate about strategies to counter phantom in-game instead of bitching and bashing the game in chat.

[stealthyBass]

This phantom situation reminds me of pre-nerf fragger back in closed beta. Eventually phantom will be tweaked for balance once more (Soon I hope?). People need to actually communicate about strategies to counter phantom in-game instead of bitching and bashing the game in chat.

It’s easy to say what to do but people hate having to actively pay attention. Spot him, bait the sword swing/shoot him to decloak and then kill him. It’s not perfect but it works well.

[Ghosthree3]

It’s easy to say what to do but people hate having to actively pay attention. Spot him, bait the sword swing/shoot him to decloak and then kill him. It’s not perfect but it works well.

This…except the sword needs to be a little less forgiving with its hits as dodging it is stupidly difficult in its current state.

[ATTEM]

[quote=“ATTEM;42184”]This phantom situation reminds me of pre-nerf fragger back in closed beta. Eventually phantom will be tweaked for balance once more (Soon I hope?). People need to actually communicate about strategies to counter phantom in-game instead of bitching and bashing the game in chat.

It’s easy to say what to do but people hate having to actively pay attention. Spot him, bait the sword swing/shoot him to decloak and then kill him. It’s not perfect but it works well.[/quote]

I know. I’ve been telling players in-game who complain about the state of the game that they should take their complaints to the forums. As for me, I’ve gotten used to spotting phantoms in game because honestly, they are not very hard to distinguish from surroundings in my opinion.

[Aazhyd1]

Rhino was never a big deal, was he? Big slow target with a fat head.

I killed a Rhino guy three times in a row with my Katana. Muhaha.

[Dr.Acula]

Phantom just has too much health. I’ve been able to get behind lines and kill two or three people without getting hit. He doesn’t need 120 hp. He’d be functionally the same with 80 hp but a little easier for people to deal with once he uncloaks.

[Derpfestor]

[quote=“stealthyBass;42144”][quote=“prudentMan;42139”]Honestly, i decided not to play DB till something will be done about him.
There is a simple reason behind that, he is not OP, he is not a character that leads a team to win the game.
However, every single time i play against him, i want to throw this game away.
It’s one big joke that should never have a place in DB.

The issues with Phantom,
Katana range is too long.
Lasting hitbox of katana.
Invisibility lasts too long, or the CD is too low.
His cloak gives him a lot of speed, and a shield, therefore even if you see him, it’s not like you can stop him.
As far as i know the slash stakes 108 damage, which is another joke.
On top of that he is given best smg in the game.

There is always a little of negative feedback when the new Merc is introduced, but today was the first time i quit the game in middle of the match, because it was too frustrating to play.

Summary, Phantom is not OP as a class, but he is so frustrating to play with, that i would rather find another game that bother with this. If i would want to play the game, where utilities are most powerful weapons, i would play Smite with all the magic skills, instead of a competitive shooter game.[/quote]

The range of a sword is too long. I just don’t understand.[/quote]
It’s a long sword isn’t it? LONG SWORD?

[B_Montiel]

Nah, the actual weapon is invisible. That’s a fishing rod with spun glass on it.
The model is as long as the cricket bat…

[RuleofBooKz]

this is an official dirty bomb forum and they post that on reddit - and only reddit. Is it hard to post something in multiple places? ITs not like this is some random gaming forums. way to support your community guys

in other news new merc might get a nerf and Eating to much sugar makes holes in your teeth.

[GeNKi]

[quote=“prudentMan;42139”]
On top of that he is given best smg in the game.[/quote]

Are you sure ?

[stealthyBass]

Phantom just has too much health. I’ve been able to get behind lines and kill two or three people without getting hit. He doesn’t need 120 hp. He’d be functionally the same with 80 hp but a little easier for people to deal with once he uncloaks.

That’s a terrible idea.

[PurpleNurple]

I assume they posted it on reddit because this forum is nothing but NO DON’T NERF MY PHANTOM!! While you all band together and downvote anyone that disagrees with you repeating “oh he’s just new you’ll get over it” instead of trying to satisfy the other side of the player base with solutions. It’s almost as tiresome as the numerous threads being made by players who feel disappointed in the path the game has taken.

Reddit is where people come up with actual comparisons and statistics to try and help balance mercenaries so I’m not surprised they didn’t post it here. Maybe if the forum layout wasn’t so childish (like,dislike,LOL,disagree,agree) they’d also be more compelled to post it here. So yes I’m glad they prefer posting to reddit. Even though most reddit people’s are elitists they actual think about things in an unbiased way and get shit done. (I don’t browse reddit I’m an imgur guy).

[stealthyBass]

[quote=“PurpleNurple;42379”]I assume they posted it on reddit because this forum is nothing but NO DON’T NERF MY PHANTOM!! While you all band together and downvote anyone that disagrees with you repeating “oh he’s just new you’ll get over it” instead of trying to satisfy the other side of the player base with solutions. It’s almost as tiresome as the numerous threads being made by players who feel disappointed in the path the game has taken.

Reddit is where people come up with actual comparisons and statistics to try and help balance mercenaries so I’m not surprised they didn’t post it here. Maybe if the forum layout wasn’t so childish (like,dislike,LOL,disagree,agree) they’d also be more compelled to post it here. So yes I’m glad they prefer posting to reddit. Even though most reddit people’s are elitists they actual think about things in an unbiased way and get shit done. (I don’t browse reddit I’m an imgur guy).[/quote]

I’ve read through some of those reddit threads about phantom. The bias is stupidly strong I’ve seen a few people actually try and talk about it and much more screaming.

[PurpleNurple]

The quotes I’ve seen with suggested changes and stats on here have all been from reddit.

[RuleofBooKz]

we have down voting? thank goodness but i dont think so!

and the devs dont actually want real solutions. All the 10 HP here or 2 sec ability there is just band aid distractions.

Why are we distracted? Because to really fix the issue there might be some impact on max profit the current business model can wring from each mercs release.

And a real solution? That is: just dont release mercs strong - release lite. Run private tests to get the new merc balance right and then whack a nice nerf on it then release to the general public servers. After a time of “new merc not op” (wouldn’t that be a change?!?!) the devs could swan in and do a popular buff. Everyone is happy!

but oh no u have to release strong if u want kids to part with hard earned as some only want to play the most OP (ie. easy mode) merc on the board. PAnderering to lowest common denominator for max profit isnt something new tho right?