Splash Damage is now an ironic representation of their injured reputation.

riptide · 2011-05-25 06:34:36 UTC

Give them a hockey team and they think they have it all

Nail · 2011-05-25 06:35:46 UTC

We had it all before the pucky team, now we got trash as well

darthmob · 2011-05-25 06:39:10 UTC

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;322520]Lets be honest, SD has been anything but candid and forthcoming with regards to the PC version of Brink throughout its entire development.

Comparing Brinks development to ETQW’s, it’s like 2 entirely different companies… aliens?[/QUOTE]

So, and what reason is that? The official response has always been that they’ve been doing PC stuff for years and it just works and consoles need to be focused as there is much to get wrong. Personally I always thought it to be a business decision. PC sales dwarf in comparison to consoles and a company that has to make revenue has to focus on that regardless of personal preferences.

IG_THOMBOW · 2011-05-25 06:40:49 UTC

[QUOTE=Nail;322702]oooh, sarcasm, have a penguin

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jazevec · 2011-05-25 07:48:20 UTC

Of course Brink was meant to be a smash success, not a niche game. How else can you explain the “We eat cod” graffiti ?

Brink is not Daikatana, but the difference between what they promised and what they delivered is huge. They bit more than they could chew. Brink is one of the most overhyped games ever for sure. They failed to deliver with ET:QW (does anyone remember vehicle jumps ? Vehicle physics turned out bad). Brink is not better from technical aspect, but they hyped it more. One thing for sure - when Splash Damage hypes something in the future, no one will believe it. And they deserve nothing better.

sirius89 · 2011-05-25 08:15:24 UTC

I can just agree with the OP,100%.

There is nothing more to add.

fearlessfox · 2011-05-25 09:18:27 UTC

[QUOTE=jazevec;322747]Of course Brink was meant to be a smash success, not a niche game. How else can you explain the “We eat cod” graffiti ?

Brink is not Daikatana, but the difference between what they promised and what they delivered is huge. They bit more than they could chew. Brink is one of the most overhyped games ever for sure. They failed to deliver with ET:QW (does anyone remember vehicle jumps ? Vehicle physics turned out bad). Brink is not better from technical aspect, but they hyped it more. One thing for sure - when Splash Damage hypes something in the future, no one will believe it. And they deserve nothing better.[/QUOTE]

This is the entire point.

I didn’t fall for hype generated via assumptions, from fan conjecture, I fell for the hype generated by the dev company themselves. The promises they made, and the acutal videos they showed us.

Splash Damage were /the/ go to guys for MP OBJ based play for me. When I heard they were coming to consoles I thought they would be the ones to get cross-platform development right. They had the reputation to back up their talk in the previews so I, and a lot of other people, expected something more than what they delivered.

And it’s not that the game is a failure, the game is really good, it’s that the support for the game is lacking so much that trying to build a community up for a solid, progressing, and stable MP community is almost impossible.

So many of the people in this thread have missed the point of it, thanks for understanding and not knee jerking, Jazevec.

fearlessfox · 2011-05-25 09:37:08 UTC

Thanks for getting the entire point of this thread.

Regardless of some of the responses in this thread, I love Brink and I hope it gets fixed, I’m just not sure it’s going to be able to pull back and recover from the damage the dev company have done to themselves.

It doesn’t bother me that the videos they showed us had content that is now absolutely missing from the game.

It doesn’t bother me that the previews made the single player campaign seem to have a strong story driven mode and their assertions where that they were building it to be on par with the MP experience.

IT doesn’t bother me that the graphics they showed are not the ones we have now.

What bothers me is that the MP in this game feels unsupported and disembodied and, every day, there are less and less people to game with.

The game, to me, is like a shell. A unique and intriguing shell, washed up on a shore and sitting atop of its bland and colourless cousins.

It’s still empty inside, and when I take it home and put it to my ear I’m not really hearing the ocean.

Splash Damage can breath life back into it, I just hope they have the talent and luck to do so before the game’s potential community walks away for good.

Apples · 2011-05-25 09:48:51 UTC

Funny how basically you are raging like every kidd’O on these board, but just wrapping it with shiny paper in order to be more “polite” or “civil”. Well I prefer the civil talk anyway but its a bit too obvious

As someone stated in a very inpolite way, YOU preordered the game, YOU as many other sheeps around here like to preorder 7 monthes in advance in order to get a nice hat and a brand new skin for your weapon. Dont come there now and spit on SD, plus, it is Bethesda’s fault! No need to be a freaking genius to know that…

The only thing I can agree with you is that SD could’ve come here and explain themselves, but for now they are working their asses off to patch the game as soon as possible, so quit the QQ and wait for the patches. The only thing I would say about it is : they didnt listen to the PC community, we were on these boards and we had argument over the game, many solutions were brought on the table, but well, money = console heh?

You guyz seem to forget really quick the other games… BLOPS was a nightmare at launch, BC2 was (and still is in my book) an epic joke designed by and for monkeys and the list is rather long, sadly I dont preorder everything like a madman so I can’t tell for every new game (but I heard they are ALL buggy).

So yeah, basically cut the crap off, wait for DLC and go play other games (including kinky games with GF / Wife) while they are working on patches.

Peace

fearlessfox · 2011-05-25 09:53:43 UTC

So much irony in this thread, but then I suppose it is the theme.

Apples · 2011-05-25 09:58:15 UTC

Almost all of my 1500 posts ends like that… Nothing new there, your point was?

(I wont put it there, you happy )

sirius89 · 2011-05-25 10:03:00 UTC

That’s is bothering me alot.

Only thing they can do now is working their asses off and fix the game and then give out some free weekends on steam and show people that they really care about their product and reputation.I really don’t see what else they could do to get players back.Free DLC?I doubt it.When the game is still messy whats the point of having a free DLC.

I mean,what’s the point of having a fixed game in a month when no ones left to play with.

Why oh why didn’t they made a Closed or Open Beta.I really don’t get it.

fearlessfox · 2011-05-25 10:03:51 UTC

The irony of putting “peace” when your post contained actively aggressive and personally directed confrontational remarks.

I’m trying very hard to not respond to the malicious nature of some of these responses.

Eep.

[QUOTE=sirius89;322815]I mean,what’s the point of having a fixed game in a month when no ones left to play with.
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I’m just not sure I have faith in them to fix it all and add the needed support before this happens. I hope so much that they do as Brink is potentially my favourite MP FPS.

Apples · 2011-05-25 10:15:41 UTC

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;322818]The irony of putting “peace” when your post contained actively aggressive and personally directed confrontational remarks.

I’m trying very hard to not respond to the malicious nature of some of these responses.

Eep.[/QUOTE]

Aggressive? personal? Wow need to chill out there! I’m containing myself in order to stay civil in these boards since the release… People werent here to express their concern about the game post release and suddenly all the bad choices are down to SD? I’m not a fanboi and I even been banned my fair share of this site for the things I’ve said numerous time against SD or Brink… My point is that wrapping a big time critic in shiny paper is nothing more than being a coward, or in other word a politician.

The game is unfinished yes, the game is a console port yes (well seems so anyway), I didnt preorder yes, I criticised SD’s decision for many times yes, do I come here to insult them no, because when you are a grown up you learn that insulting other, especially when you havent all the cards on your deck to fully understand what is going on, is just plain stupid.

Now where I’m a bit mad at this thread, and therefore, at you for starting it, is that its basically the same thing I read since the release, with the same complaints, and with no solutions… Thats why I post here, basically to say that you can still do other things while waiting for a patch or two, instead of polluting (yes yes this is the right word) the boards with this kind of useless thread.

It’s nothing at all personnal, I havent all the time in the world but I generaly say the same thing to the other ones who make threads like that while there are already a bazzilion on the latests 6 pages of this board. Your took the time to write a decent post while the other usually say “feck of SD you are a bunch of pussycats I will never buy your game again <insert rage and madness>”, thats why I took the time to write a proper reply, but I could also say “feck off” with the same result, I’m just explaining that these threads serve to nothing except division and flame.

You want SD to hear you? Ask everyone who felt let down by Brink to send you an email with their concerns, list them all, write a big letter, make it signed by everyone who sent you their mail, and send a copy to SD. They’ll have a list of what is wrong (which already exist due the the “constructive” threads, and your action will have more weight.

Peace

fearlessfox · 2011-05-25 10:27:37 UTC

[QUOTE=Apples;322824]You want SD to hear you? Ask everyone who felt let down by Brink to send you an email with their concerns, list them all, write a big letter, make it signed by everyone who sent you their mail, and send a copy to SD. They’ll have a list of what is wrong (which already exist due the the “constructive” threads, and your action will have more weight.

Peace[/QUOTE]

Forums are places to discuss things that are relevant.

Splash Damage read these forums actively so ALL kinds of feedback here is good for them.

We can do this without calling other people ‘kiddies’ and ‘whiners’ and looking down on every conflicting opinion. We can do this without spending obvious effort replying only for the entire reply to be saying “don’t bother using the forums for their function”.

Perhaps there should be a designated “feedback” sub-forum so those of you who don’t want to read this stuff and get on with discussing other aspects of the game can do so in peace.

However, there should be forum for this as /all/ debate regarding the quality conducted in an intelligent manner is valuable to SD and therefore the community.

We can be emotional without being personal; there’s a difference to the tone of my OP and the messages you’ve made here.

system · 2011-05-25 10:30:32 UTC

I totally agree with this thread and couldn’t have put it better.

I think what some of the attackers seem to not get is that if Brink was a bad game, I totally agree that I wouldn’t be wasting time reading this forum (and a few times even posting), I would just leave (maybe even not bought the game in the first place)

But with Brink, it’s not that simple : as FearlessFox said : great ideas (mechanics, art style, obj game, seamless solo/MP, …) but badly done (not being able to see that the game is about to end 10 seconds after joining, …)
I’m on 360 and I don’t care that some “PC’s experience is good” since THEY released the game for consoles, I expect it to be as good (knowing that graphically, there will always be a gap), but it’s not and really under what that console can do, no matter what ou say.
And, I would have tryed it first if I could, but wait : THEY didn’t release a demo … I wonder why … but yes : We wouldn’t have bought it this way, so forget the demo.
(I can’t illegally DL it to test it as most PC user I know, actually do)

Long story short : it’s a nice game, but I really waited for it as being the GREAT game, because of what SD showed/tell and not beacause I wanted a great pre-order skin for my riffle (which I don’t have by the way…)

Chex · 2011-05-25 10:42:33 UTC

Bottom Line:

Brink is a multiplayer game aimed at team vs team play.

Single player - almost no SP at all, but it’s not like we purchase COD or Battlefield for their short SP campaigns.

Consoles - this game wouldn’t have received so many bad reviews if it hadn’t went out on consoles. Why does it suck on consoles? The game is simply not that good when you play public games with random people because it’s aimed at team vs team play and the console competitive scene is almost non-existent.

Bugs and missing features - again, unfinished games are being sold. So what else is new?

So,
If you bought this game for the single player, YOU failed.
If you bought this game for random multiplayer pew pew run-n-gun look-at-my-KDR I-am-recording-this-streak killing-random-pubs, YOU failed.
If the patches don’t fix major bugs and imbalances soon, SD failed.

Was the marketing misleading? Sure it was, just like with any other major FPS title.

Sure people will believe them, otherwise COD would be dead franchise by now, and BF too after BC2. You have to accept that people are easily amused by teasers, promises and the general hype.

DarkangelUK · 2011-05-25 10:53:37 UTC

Lets just say there was more than 1 company involved in some of the ‘executive decisions’, and SD getting 100% of the flack isn’t fair. I said in a brutally honest post that I was pissed off at SD, but it’s not for the reasons you may think…

jazevec · 2011-05-25 10:54:10 UTC

[QUOTE=Chex;322839]
Sure people will believe them, otherwise COD would be dead franchise by now, and BF too after BC2. You have to accept that people are easily amused by teasers, promises and the general hype.[/QUOTE]

Maybe. Some will believe them. But Splash Damage could as well rename itself to Brand Damage. To paraphrase a review from Ars Technica:

“Playing the past few Splash Damage games was like watching an ex-girlfriend get into a series of bad relationships—there’s really nothing you can do to improve the situation, but you remember what it was like when you were together in better times.”

It is possible that SD is not entirely to blame for this. Maybe the head of marketing should be fired. After all, they misrepresented what the game actually is (too much emphasis on parkour, nonexistant cutscenes, maps…)

Apples · 2011-05-25 10:57:03 UTC

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;322832]Forums are places to discuss things that are relevant.

Splash Damage read these forums actively so ALL kinds of feedback here is good for them.

We can do this without calling other people ‘kiddies’ and ‘whiners’ and looking down on every conflicting opinion. We can do this without spending obvious effort replying only for the entire reply to be saying “don’t bother using the forums for their function”.

Perhaps there should be a designated “feedback” sub-forum so those of you who don’t want to read this stuff and get on with discussing other aspects of the game can do so in peace.

However, there should be forum for this as /all/ debate regarding the quality conducted in an intelligent manner is valuable to SD and therefore the community.

We can be emotional without being personal; there’s a difference to the tone of my OP and the messages you’ve made here.[/QUOTE]

The feedbacks threads are mostly here, what I despise is not your thread, its that it’s a copy/paste of the bazzilion whining threads around here, and it brings nothing more on the table! Bring solutions instead of saying “well, I felt let down, so i’m angry”, the already have all the feedbacks they need I think, and its just getting harder and harder to find a rather good thread speaking about something specific as this board is overwhelmed by over-simplistic and generalist threads like this one…

Oh and I dont ven own the game BTW, I’m not criticising Brink or you or SD or whatever, I’m discussing about the ideas and the concept of making such threads over and over.

Peace