Somehow I feel that loadouts..

(Sairdontis) #61

Loadouts help but I see many who kill without them easily . They are perks for specific situations, nothing more.

(BloodySin) #62

@Sairdontis said:
Loadouts help but I see many who kill without them easily . They are perks for specific situations, nothing more.
Considering loadouts are what determine which weapons you’ll have, you’re saying you’ve seen many who kill without weapons?

(Sairdontis) #63

@BloodySin …really? you do realize that even the basic just purchased merc come with weapons, right? Take a look at your mercs you will find the basic card for your mercs.

(BloodySin) #64

@Sairdontis said:
@BloodySin …really? you do realize that even the basic just purchased merc come with weapons, right? Take a look at your mercs you will find the basic card for your mercs.

Do you realize that even the basic card is a loadout?

(Sairdontis) #65

@Bloodysin Really? You serious?? Wow! Tell me what augments does those basic loadouts have again? I’ll wait while you count them…

(BloodySin) #66

@Sairdontis said:
@Bloodysin Really? You serious?? Wow! Tell me what augments does those basic loadouts have again? I’ll wait while you count them…
I’m still waiting for your “easy kills without loadouts.”

(bgyoshi) #67

@BloodySin said:

I play Aura with a BL41, for Get Up and Extra Supplies, so I can support the team even more. Better luck next time.

I’m more inclined to believe you play with BL41 because you don’t know when you should and shouldn’t charge your paddles and both drop your health station in bad spots where it gets destroyed, and also don’t know that you can pick it back up for a much faster cooldown/to get it out of being shot.

You’re missing the point. It isn’t that people see it as “I’m super pro;” it’s that people don’t care, so when you keep trying to push your “accomplishments as a trash scrub” as some sort of role model people should base their game on it just gets annoying.

You’re missing the point. It isn’t that augments aren’t useful, it’s that they don’t affect the outcome of the match so severely that players with them will always have a significant advantage over players that don’t have them.

You find Augments unnecessary? Great for you, don’t use them. But don’t keep trying to tell people that they aren’t an extra advantage, that they don’t help, that they don’t make any difference. Maybe Augments are unnecessary for you because not even they can help you get past what you call “trash scrub”?

As I’ve been playing since release in 2015, I actually first started using default cards only because I was like you. I thought augments were godly and I attributed my success in pubs to having good cards. As a means to handicap myself and feel challenged without resorting to the dumpster fire of Ranked, I switched to default cards.

It took me a few months before I realized I wasn’t at the top of my pub games because of augments, but because I just played smart. Most people’s complaints about game balance and what’s too OP or too nerfed are 99% just having bad tactics.

That’s the real problem. Instead of listening to the advice of other players and trying it out for themselves, as an example, people would rather complain that their rambo/hide in a corner style of play gets shut down by Thunder so therefor nerf Thunder so that they can continue to play the way they like. Instead of changing their way of play to improve, they want to change the way the game works so their way of play improves.

(BloodySin) #68

@bgyoshi said:
[Insert Projecting 10/10]

Okay.

(bgyoshi) #69

@BloodySin said:

Shit I finally get it

Good to hear!

(BloodySin) #70

@bgyoshi said:

@BloodySin said:

@$!# I finally get it

Good to hear!
Yep, I finally got it: you attribute all the issues you had or have onto others.

(bgyoshi) #71

@BloodySin said:

@bgyoshi said:

@BloodySin said:

@$!# I finally get it

Good to hear!
Yep, I finally got it: you’ve played a lot and see lots of similar issues you’ve already overcome in others so you share solutions from your own personal experiences

Yeah pretty much

(BloodySin) #72

@bgyoshi said:
I didn’t know when I should and shouldn’t charge my paddles, so I used Augments to compensate - conclusion: everyone who does wants to compensate because I did
I didn’t know not to drop my health station in bad spots where it gets destroyed, and also didn’t know that I could pick it back up for a much faster cooldown/to get it out of being shot, so I used Augments to compensate - conclusion: everyone who does wants to compensate because I did
because I was like you - conclusion: everyone is now like I was, because it’s me we’re talking about
I had complaints about game balance and what’s too OP or too nerfed because I had bad tactics - conclusion: everyone who complains about those has bad tactics
You couldn’t project more if you were tryharding it. The more ironic - and egocentric - part of it is how you consider yourself pub trash, but still in a position to tell others they are wrong, playing wrong or bad “because yoshi,” basically.

(bgyoshi) #73

@BloodySin said:

@bgyoshi said:
I didn’t know when I should and shouldn’t charge my paddles, so I used Augments to compensate - conclusion: everyone who does wants to compensate because I did
I didn’t know not to drop my health station in bad spots where it gets destroyed, and also didn’t know that I could pick it back up for a much faster cooldown/to get it out of being shot, so I used Augments to compensate - conclusion: everyone who does wants to compensate because I did
because I was like you - conclusion: everyone is now like I was, because it’s me we’re talking about
I had complaints about game balance and what’s too OP or too nerfed because I had bad tactics - conclusion: everyone who complains about those has bad tactics

You couldn’t project more if you were tryharding it. The more ironic - and egocentric - part of it is how you consider yourself pub trash, but still in a position to tell others they are wrong, playing wrong or bad “because yoshi,” basically.

You should take a critical thinking course because you failed the exam real real bad. We’ll take it line by line for you since you’re having trouble.

I’m more inclined to believe

My prevailing opinion about you based on the words you’ve said

you play with BL41 because

is that you are compensating with this card based on the words you’ve said

you don’t know when you should and shouldn’t charge your paddles and both drop your health station in bad spots where it gets destroyed,

because you, in my opinion based on the words you said, do not know this generic tactic that help tips describe to you

and also don’t know that you can pick it back up for a much faster cooldown/to get it out of being shot.

nor, based on the words you said, this second generic tactic that help tips describe to you. This implies that you will not perform well without BL41. Based on prior discussions, it is easily possible for you to use a default card and perform better than you do with BL41, because your performance is not vastly affected by the augments you choose.

The mere fact that you can’t separate and isolate responses make this a pointless discussion. If I tell you “Don’t jump into a fire” and “Instead of changing ourselves, we try to change the world around us” and your response is “Just because you jumped into a fire doesn’t mean everyone wants to, stop projecting you egotistical self centered bastard” then there is just truly no hope for discussion.

“Projection is a form of defense in which unwanted feelings are displaced onto another person, where they then appear as a threat from the external world.”

(Sairdontis) #74

@BloodySin the issue I see it that too many want to use loadouts to somehow make themselves out to be “the elite” because they use these cards . The augments can be fun and interesting, but they will not win you the game if you do not play smart or are out of position (not playing smart) .

bgyoshi has explained it to you in a number of different ways, but you still want to say that if you don’t have this particular loadout you don’t know how to play or that you are somehow less on the battefield. Loadouts don’t and can’t win the game for you . All loadouts can do it enhance slightlty your efforts in a particular situation only ( echo echo ) . Like I said I have seen players running around in Ranked kicking butt with the basic merc card with no augments at all. Depending on a particular loadout to save the day is a horrible idea and bad advice for a new player to take in that it might not even fit their particular play style at all.

(Sairdontis) #75

@BloodySin the issue I see it that too many want to use loadouts to somehow make themselves out to be “the elite” because they use these cards . The augments can be fun and interesting, but they will not win you the game if you do not play smart or are out of position (not playing smart) .

bgyoshi has explained it to you in a number of different ways, but you still want to say that if you don’t have this particular loadout you don’t know how to play or that you are somehow less on the battefield. Loadouts don’t and can’t win the game for you . All loadouts can do it enhance slightlty your efforts in a particular situation only ( echo echo ) . Like I said I have seen players running around in Ranked kicking butt with the basic merc card with no augments at all. Depending on a particular loadout to save the day is a horrible idea and bad advice for a new player to take in that it might not even fit their particular play style at all.

(BloodySin) #76

@bgyoshi said:
“Projection is a form of defense in which unwanted feelings are displaced onto another person, where they then appear as a threat from the external world.”
Precisely. Glad you understand what you do.

@Sairdontis said:
@BloodySin the issue I see it that too many want to use loadouts to somehow make themselves out to be “the elite” because they use these cards . The augments can be fun and interesting, but they will not win you the game if you do not play smart or are out of position (not playing smart) .
I’ve never seen anyone, in-game or in the Forums, act like they are “the elite” because of a loadout. I’ve seen people recognize certain loadouts as better because of the weapons they have or because of the combination of augments they have, which in some cases is personal preference, in others is much more objective as a certain available combination is simply better.
@Sairdontis said:
bgyoshi has explained it to you in a number of different ways, but you still want to say that if you don’t have this particular loadout you don’t know how to play or that you are somehow less on the battefield. Loadouts don’t and can’t win the game for you.
What else did strawman me say?

(Sairdontis) #77

@bloodysin what you fail to understand is that loadout choice is just that a choice as in an opinion . There is no right loadout or a wrong one. There is no better just preferred . As to the strawman comment, make points not deflections.

(Xyfurion) #78

In the end, no matter what the devs do, there will always be the group of people who will still have their heads up their asses to complain about something which, ultimately, makes them look pathetic.

(Sairdontis) #79

@Xyfurion I take solace in that they miss half of the games that they play by narrowing their choices to the “approved” options. They hurt themselves really.

(BloodySin) #80

@Sairdontis said:
@bloodysin what you fail to understand is that loadout choice is just that a choice as in an opinion . There is no right loadout or a wrong one. There is no better just preferred . As to the strawman comment, make points not deflections.
What you fail to understand is that augments, even the worse ones, give some advantage in some game mechanic, and any advantage is better than no advantage. Even the most situational ones, even if you don’t count or rely on them, will eventually be useful, so no augments is objectively worse than even just one augment.
About making points, why should I, when you are fabricating points and claiming I made them? Keep telling me what else my strawman says.