So... is this cheater thing somewhat overblown?

(ThomaZe) #141

Kick, dont work…
Click View Steam Profile, dont work…

The new cheats are hard to report.

(MTLMortis) #142

[quote=“Amerika;58563”]And you’d rather spend more time writing up these posts than taking 5 minutes to report a cheater? If everyone who saw a cheater (who was actually cheating) spent a bit of time reporting them then there would be less of an issue.

It takes a village man…[/quote]

It also takes a whole lot more effort to report (and have a reasonable expectation of something being done) a hacker than 5 minutes.

  1. Abandon your team to spectate the player
  2. Watch to see if hacker or just good. Not as easy to do with DB due to the horrible spectating vs what’s actually happening
  3. Once hacking confirmed begin (or continue) to record video
  4. upload video
  5. fill out support ticket

That’s a minimum of 20 minutes spent dealing with a problem that should not exist to the degree that it does.

Capturing and uploading video is also not something most players are capable of or are willing to do.

N.B. The fact that servers are not even identifiable once in game is Nexxon/SD putting up roadblocks for the players to report.

(Gi.Am) #143

[quote=“MTLMortis;63393”][quote=“Amerika;58563”]And you’d rather spend more time writing up these posts than taking 5 minutes to report a cheater? If everyone who saw a cheater (who was actually cheating) spent a bit of time reporting them then there would be less of an issue.

It takes a village man…[/quote]

It also takes a whole lot more effort to report (and have a reasonable expectation of something being done) a hacker than 5 minutes.

  1. Abandon your team to spectate the player
  2. Watch to see if hacker or just good. Not as easy to do with DB due to the horrible spectating vs what’s actually happening
  3. Once hacking confirmed begin (or continue) to record video
  4. upload video
  5. fill out support ticket

That’s a minimum of 20 minutes spent dealing with a problem that should not exist to the degree that it does.

Capturing and uploading video is also not something most players are capable of or are willing to do.

N.B. The fact that servers are not even identifiable once in game is Nexxon/SD putting up roadblocks for the players to report.[/quote]

While video evidence is the best for sure. It is not needed for a successful report.
Especially against blantant hackers you don’t even need to spectate. Get a screenshot of the endscore, name (especially if it is a namechanging script). Maybe a screenshot of a 5 headshot kill status, or him admitting in cheat to the cheating, maybe another for his Steam profile.

It doesn’t really matter how much proof you got, if you got their name/steam ID the server and time. They should be able to identify that person. If his name comes up too often they will surely look into it.

Infact I don’t do video and only file reports with screenshots, every single one got resolved in a timely matter. The last one took a bit longer because weekends but after they got back to work today they looked into it.

Yes I know, the current report system sucks and I wished for ingame reporting last month. But report them, its important that the message comes across that hacking is not ok in this game and will get you punished sooner or later (and Nexon can’t punish if they don’t know about it).

Will we get all hackers, no. But decreasing the ammount and getting the message across that hackers do get caught and punished, will deter atleast the more casual ones, that might think about it. Thinking hey everyone else is doing it and gets away with it lets try it out.

(bwort110) #144

i give u a bet, there will be first a new merc instead of new AC. sorry, i am just angry about this situation, cause i rly like this game.

(Backuplight) #145

I kinda get the impression the next two mercs are pretty much ready to release, perhaps with the exception of some fine tuning, so even if this does happen I don’t think it’s a case of them choosing merc releases over working on the anticheat. They’re things that can be worked on alongside each other, besides the fact you don’t just throw your whole dev team into working on one feature generally.

Of course, the AC will be good sooner rather than later. Hopefully it’s imminent.

(Ghosthree3) #146

Agreed, mercs have been around for a long time, pushing them out now is trivial and not much work compared to building a better AC. Expect new mercs to come as usual but don’t expect it to really affect the ETA on an AC.

(Lumi) #147

From what I understood the AC is not as much about development rather than about striking a deal with the AC provider.

(MTLMortis) #148

The anti-cheat and new mercs are completely seperate issues. There isn’t one programmer doing this. Games are made by teams doing different things.

(misspo) #149

I kinda get the impression the next two mercs are pretty much ready to release
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When 1 year old bug still remain, i think every merks are already ready :slight_smile:

(memorableOasis) #150

I have run into 3 hackers so far and a friend has found 1 himself. Hell the last hacker that came in and went 79/0 and was advertising where he got the hacks from.

(Jurmabones) #151

Hopefully all this flaunting the hackers have been doing lately will contribute to mass bans soon.

This sounds pretty logical, though I’d still like to see where you heard that.

(KouDy) #152

I am playing only public and so far i met 3 guys who were 100% cheaters without need to spectate. Problem with making report system is that if you make it too easy to use (ie click on name and then report) then every time you kill someone three times in row you get reported. If it’s too complicated then people won’t use it.

Would migration to VAC be better than current solution?
Also there are other models like board of players as judges what was cheating and what wasn’t (in other games like LoL).

Once i got called hacker even. Me with my usually K/D smaller than 1. That was funny guy :).

(gothicGlow) #153

I hate this attitude… you enable the cheating pieces of crap when you make a list of vital info and insist random players have to report them or respond with what you think is or is not humanly possible. I am tired of the stupid nonsense.

You want cheaters not to be in your damn game??? ---->

Go to YouTube look up dirty bomb hacks and easily find the main companies making the damn things… After signing up for them all, update your hack definition file with the fingerprint they leave in system memory. Do that continuously even if it is 100 times a freaking day until all their customers are identified …

In fact, why don’t the lot of you game developers get together and finally take a stand this way? Why is this not a thing…? They advertise on the same damn Internet you are on. Don’t give me the crap about these crap companies making sure they are not detected… Put the stupid definition file on delay so it does not search player memory until a couple of weeks down the road…

Furthermore, it is just the same old crap with people talking about skill and nonsense… Here is the real deal …

If some LEET baby boy is cleaning up on the score board and you notice -> not a single tracer ever misses OR this maniac MLG guy consistently always knows where you are or are going to be as you round a corner OR any consistent super human behavior, he is cheating … immediately … he is cheating!

Every multiplayer pc game is filled with cheaters so why this r@pe culture attitude!?

I am tired of these game breakers being allowed to get away with cheating! Also, just because someone ever misses does not mean they are innocent of aim-botting. Something like that can be bound to a different key and used when wanted! It should be noted even more so when there are misses that accompany the rest of the time being only headshots! Hello, any body part can be set as the target making it more difficult to tell anyway!

The cheats can be so subtle that with a little acting there is no way end users will or even can know… Again… go search YouTube for the damn things and see how easy you would not know these twerps are cheating as well as realize many are doing so! Only the worst ones are easily identified!

Please, stop attempting to fix this issue from the wrong end first. Ban at the account and retrievable mac addresses so the scum has to at least be able to spoof or get new hardware!

(impassionedNotion) #154

Sadly, dirty bomb devs don’t realize how much money cheating is costing them, and they’re too afraid of losing money to have a real ban system in place.

I’ve reported tons of hackers and nothing has happened to them. I reported a guy with screenshots on his own account profile of him hacking, using texture hacks to make the entire map one solid color, and the player models bright neon colors. I’ve reported thoroughly, with video and screenshots, dates, times, names, profile links, youtube video links, etc.

Hacking is worse than many think. They wouldn’t know a hacker if one headshot aimbotted them 100x in a row. They think aimbots are only headshots. They act like wallhacks are just intuition and skill.

What we need in the meantime is a better voting system. if 50% of a team votes yes on a votekick, then it should go through. Right now, unless basically everyone votes, a kick doesn’t happen. This is more harmful than votekick abuse ever could be.

Here’s a fact: It’s been proven that on average, 5% of any given games player base are cheaters. In a game where there is basically 20 players per round, that guarantees at least one cheater per round. As an average there is no guarantee, since averages average out from many different scenarios, i.e. 1 game with more than one hacker, several games with no hackers, etc.

There are plenty of cheaters in dirty bomb, plenty. I don’t care what level they are, how many games they’ve got on their steam account, or any of that. I’ve seen hackers with 100’s of games on their steam account. That doesn’t make them not hackers.

The sad part is all of this will fall on deaf ears. Nexon is doing all of these updates to make money, but none of them are solving the real problems.

We’ve been conditioned to accept that hacking in gaming is common place. But what we’ve really been conditioned to accept is the laziness of developers. They’d rather put the blame on outliers than taking charge and responsibility.

(Lumi) #155

If no link, then no fact. Anyone can say what they want. Besides I seriously doubt there are lots of scientific studies being made on FPS…

There are more good players than cheaters. And if the cheat is not an obvious thing, then it’s not advantaging them that much. I know that many cheaters ride that fine line where basically any good player is, but those are the smart cheaters and imo they’re few. Good players will definitely be the bigger percentage.

[quote=“impassionedNotion;63986”]

We’ve been conditioned to accept that hacking in gaming is common place. But what we’ve really been conditioned to accept is the laziness of developers. They’d rather put the blame on outliers than taking charge and responsibility. [/quote]

you’re wrong. The devs of the game have no hand in developing the AC systems. Those are separate companies and if you want to start blaming devs then go Xing’s respective forums or contact page and complain there. I’m sick and tired of people opening up their mouths without any knowledge of the industry whatsoever.

(bwort110) #156

The devs of the game have no hand in developing the AC systems. Those are separate companies and if you want to start blaming devs then go Xing’s respective forums or contact page and complain there. I’m sick and tired of people opening up their mouths without any knowledge of the industry whatsoever.

Oh a genius. Perhaps ur are right, i dont care really. This is the official forum of the game and the cheaters are in this game. As a gamer i dont care who is developing the AC. This is not our problem. Its a problem of the game that we all play and this is the forum of the game.
I do my job as report the cheater, support the devs when i buy something. AC isnt my job and i can complain this forum whneever i want, cause this is the right place.

(Lumi) #157

[quote=“bwort110;64075”]

Oh a genius. Perhaps ur are right, i dont care really. This is the official forum of the game and the cheaters are in this game. As a gamer i dont care who is developing the AC. This is not our problem. Its a problem of the game that we all play and this is the forum of the game.
I do my job as report the cheater, support the devs when i buy something. AC isnt my job and i can complain this forum whneever i want, cause this is the right place.[/quote]

So although AC is not your job you still feel entitled to criticize it? I’m sorry but that’s not how it works. If you want the privilege to criticize something then you need to know what you’re talking about. Otherwise I’m going to start saying that I’m the new authority on your home’s curtains and how they suck and you need to fix them. Although I’ve never seen them, don’t know even if you own some, but I don’t care, right?

(_retired_) #158

[quote=“Lumi;64088”]So although AC is not your job you still feel entitled to criticize it? I’m sorry but that’s not how it works. If you want the privilege to criticize something then you need to know what you’re talking about. Otherwise I’m going to start saying that I’m the new authority on your home’s curtains and how they suck and you need to fix them. Although I’ve never seen them, don’t know even if you own some, but I don’t care, right?[/quote]Sorry to interfere.

You don’t need to know the industry or know anything to criticize something if there’s something wrong. All you need to be is a CUSTOMER of the product of that company whose developing/producing/publishing the game which have problem with hackers (or whatever) and you have RIGHT to criticize.

Even though complaining about cheaters all the time won’t do much good, they have right to complain especially in official forum to the game. Saying that you have to be “business insider” or know the industry from bottom to top in order to complain as a customer sounds rather strange.

It’s not priviledge, it’s right of yours if you put your time, energy, effort and especially money into it.

(Lumi) #159

@crabbyDimension

Maybe you haven’t followed this discussion from where we both started, but I initiated this as bwort was shaming the devs for not doing their job and being lazy. You’re right when you say as a customer one can point out faults. But then going as far as to say that devs are lazy when AC is not anything they would have their hands on is plainly wrong. Maybe in my last post my choice of words was wrong, but you can complain that AC is not working and requiring a new one, but to then wrongly accuse the devs is another one. finally saying that one doesn’t care and just wants to complain is plain pathetic. I’m just asking for the devs to be treated fairly and for recognizing their work. I agree even that the current AC system is not good and definitely not enough. But the devs have little to do with it. And that’s where the line should be drawn.

(impassionedNotion) #160

Saying the devs are off the hook for AC is like saying car makers should be off the hook for faulty seat belts or faulty air bags…or worse, non existent ones.