So... is this cheater thing somewhat overblown?

(Vexed) #21

I’d like to chime in as a player who mainly plays competitive:

Yes, it is enormously overblown. People throw around words like “infested” and claim that there’s a cheater in 30% of comp games and make other wild accusations, but ask those same players if they actually play comp. Go on. I’ll wait.

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That’s right, none of them do. Because, allegedly, the cheating is too rife. Well, I do play competitive primarily, and as a NEET I play a lot of it and frankly, once you clear placement, cheaters are a non-issue. I’ve met maybe 3 or so, ever.

The real issues with competitive are that the low player pool means team balance is pretty awful, and you get a lot of broken lobbies that end up kicking everyone because the server derped and made the teams 6-4 or 7-3. At least those games don’t actually start.

Edit: typo

(avidCow) #22

That’s right, none of them do. Because, allegedly, the cheating is too rife…

…low player pool means team balance is pretty awful, and you get a lot of broken lobbies that end up kicking everyone

Cheating is just the icing on the shit cake.

(Vexed) #23

There’s not a lot of icing on that cake, man.

(avidCow) #24

You can’t speak for others.

(Vexed) #25

Who’s speaking for others? This isn’t an opinion, it’s an observation. Or perhaps you think the presence or absence of a cheater is a subjective thing?

No, I think what you’re actually trying to say is that my playtime does not consititute a statistically significant sample, and is instead anecdotal evidence. While this is true, we’re not going to cross that marker without surveying everybody on the entire forum and then some. Since most of those players that care to comment on the issue openly admit they don’t play competitive matches, I’d say I actually represent one of the better samples available when it comes to judging the prevalence of cheating.

True, it wouldn’t stand up to statistical analysis, but nobody else here can say they have several thousand hours’ playtime either.

(avidCow) #26

Who’s speaking for others? This isn’t an opinion, it’s an observation. Or perhaps you think the presence or absence of a cheater is a subjective thing?

No, I think what you’re actually trying to say is that my playtime does not consititute a statistically significant sample, and is instead anecdotal evidence. While this is true, we’re not going to cross that marker without surveying everybody on the entire forum and then some. Since most of those players that care to comment on the issue openly admit they don’t play competitive matches, I’d say I actually represent one of the better samples available when it comes to judging the prevalence of cheating.

True, it wouldn’t stand up to statistical analysis, but nobody else here can say they have several thousand hours’ playtime either.[/quote]

Yes. If we assume for a moment that you can actually tell 100% who is cheating and who is not, you are still just one person amongst many.

Personally I’m envious of people who never come across cheaters.

(Vexed) #27

/shrug

If a cheater isn’t obvious, people aren’t gonna get nearly as mad about it, and we can’t discuss them on the forums as part of our figures. We may as well start debating the existence or otherwise of God at that point.

(avidCow) #28

/shrug

If a cheater isn’t obvious, people aren’t gonna get nearly as mad about it, and we can’t discuss them on the forums as part of our figures. We may as well start debating the existence or otherwise of God at that point.[/quote]

Speaking of god, the creators do have a sense of omniscience with their echo system or whatever it’s called. Hopefully what they have in the works makes some use of this information.

(elegantRoyalty) #29

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The only problem with spectating someone right now is that if you use a different resolution than the person your spectating, it doesnt even look like the aim is anywhere near correct or close too what the actual player is doing making it even “seem” like something is up.[/quote]

if someone has set there bot paramaters up to just give them a very very large advantage rather than being blatant you wont be able to tell by spectating at all, if you google search it and look at the paramaters you can smooth the aiming out , make it miss some shots get it to avoid head shots etc etc.

(LGslayer) #30

I play a mix of competitive and casual with a bout 70 hours total all in the recent month. I’ve ran into a couple hackers in competitive and it wasn’t that bad. The game ends quick when you switch sides. As for casual, i’d say the same but more my opinion than being obvious about it. With that many hours in the past month, and only running into 4-5 hackers, i’d say they’re doing a good job.

(N8o) #31

In my 270 hours, I have ran into about 9 hackers. Mostly in comp as everyone else has said, but 1 or 2 did show up in pub games. Guess my match making is a bit different than the rest :stuck_out_tongue:

(Dirmagnos) #32

Dunno, i see couple of cheaters in put every week.
While amount of cheaters in population may not be that high, theres 3 main problems - slow response time, attitude of players who refuse to kick cheaters and non-exiting preventive measures.
Making every cheater moving around freely, from game to game, pissing off and ruining game for a lot of players. As result even 1 of those losers can do a lot of damage.

(Backuplight) #33

[quote=“Vexed;58354”]I’d like to chime in as a player who mainly plays competitive:

Yes, it is enormously overblown. People throw around words like “infested” and claim that there’s a cheater in 30% of comp games and make other wild accusations, but ask those same players if they actually play comp. Go on. I’ll wait.

…

That’s right, none of them do. Because, allegedly, the cheating is too rife. Well, I do play competitive primarily, and as a NEET I play a lot of it and frankly, once you clear placement, cheaters are a non-issue. I’ve met maybe 3 or so, ever.

The real issues with competitive are that the low player pool means team balance is pretty awful, and you get a lot of broken lobbies that end up kicking everyone because the server derped and made the teams 6-4 or 7-3. At least those games don’t actually start.

Edit: typo[/quote]

Nice. Glad to hear this, pretty much confirms how I imagined it’d be. You seem to get these hugely over the top posts when a ragey person comes to the forums (or reddit especially) to “vent” about their encounter with a hacker. There’s nothing to tell you just how many “hackers” that person really encountered though, so it just dumps this negative feeling on the mode for many people. It’s an online game, if someone came in expecting to never see a hacker they have a little too much optimism for their own good.

(smartIsland) #34

i go by the rule that for every obvious straight up headshot cheaters there are about 5 careful cheaters using much harder to detect stuff like ESP/wall hacks. In my 200 hours I have seen prob 3-4 headshotters, so 20-25 cheaters.

On one hand i have prob played with hundreds and hundreds of players so it seems like a pretty low number, on the other hand it is severely annoying that splash damage seems to basically be doing nothing. The least they could do is update us on their progress or at least freaking release numbers about how many have been banned. throw us a friggin bone here

(activeClip) #35

Have you ever actually spectated anyone in this game? The Client is barely 50% accurate in spectator mode, crosshair dosnt appear on your screen where it is on the players, so if anything spectating makes it more suspect since all the shots are easily a hit box off target.

(activeClip) #36

As far as hackers go, i feel like after the 3rd week of Steam release, there was non stop hacking in competitive for a week where you would get one every other game. Since then its barely any. But in near 100+ comp matches i would say ive been hacked on near 20 times.

(Harlot) #37

People seem to have a hard time differentiating between somebody who is hacking with a triggerbot/wallhack combo and somebody who is good, so they assume those players are not hacking. They assume only those locking onto every players’ head are the hackers. This has been proven to be false by players such as Juke Kitty and Cruseball, both banned for triggerbotting.

This hack is supposed to be less blatant and make you appear skilled, rather than an actual robot. I have spotted plenty of players running this. There’s signs to look for: Low playtime (There’s no reason somebody with 1.5 hours is tracking me flawlessly, knows I’m coming around every corner and has her paddles charged for the instakill and flat out beats me in every duel) VAC bans, knowing where the enemy team is coming from every time, struggles to use weapons such as the secondary weapons or full automatic weapons while destroying everybody with a sniper, a complete lack of knowledge about the game/objectives, and an inability to control their aim leading them to “waving” their crosshair back and forth over people’s heads while the bot pulls the trigger for them, or flying around the map, jumping off multiple obstacles in CQC and rarely missing while spinning 180 degrees in the air, while you’re moving.

Once you learn to look for these signs, it’s fairly easy to see a player who meets nearly all or all of these criteria every four or five games. They may not put up an obscene score, since they lack fundamental knowledge and skill and may have just gotten the bot, but it’s obvious.

(Daergar) #38

Seen about a dozen blatant cheaters total, you know the ones that does not even mask it and end up killing an entire 8-man spawn as fast as the code can move from head to head.

Other than that, seen more than a few suspect cases where after the end of the round you’re strongly suspecting esp abuse or similar. Most are too impatient to only have this on and end up being terrible shots anyway, making it not matter as much (free xp running toward me, thanks).

The most hilarious situation was only two days ago, where an attacker on Chapel felt the defenders were spawn-camping their team. “Fine, spawnrape, time to hack”. Which they then promptly did, with Proxy and a smg, across the longest distances he could find. It was very amusing, especially since one could, naturally, soak the lessened damage and out-pewpew them.

(Amerika) #39

I get called a “triggerbot” all the time. As do others I know. Apparently that is the new fad in DB if you have semi-decent aim. People need to gather evidence and submit reports before they decide to play expert. As a person who used to run CAL AC and worked with PB (among other things) I know full well just how many false reports come in by players. And in this game, if you report the account to support, it’s pretty trivial for them to find out if the person is cheating or not. You just have to make the effort until in-game reporting is in. Hopefully then competitive will get cleared up.

(Fap Fap Master) #40

360 hours
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198045447213/ (Proof)
I’ve only met 6 Hackers so far (Obvious hackers that is)
I heard majority of them are in competitive, which is way I avoid it like a plague.