So... EasyAntiCheat. Let's talk about it.

(PeterComputer) #1

Yeah, as you may gather from the title, I’m not too fond of this new anticheat. I don’t know if I’m just unlucky, but I feel like I have encountered way more hackers since EAC has been implemented. I mean, some of the hackers I’ve come across don’t even bother hiding their aimbots and such. Again, I may have been unlucky with my matches but something tells me I’m not the only one finding this many cheaters.

I know SD are eager to get their hands on new content but maybe work a bit more on EAC first.
Anyways, feel free to share your thoughts below.

(K1X455) #2

I’m not worried about cheaters who are easy to spot and are clumsy with their advantage. It’s the closet ones that slip under the radar that are difficult to tell wether they’re legit or not.

(KangaJoo) #3

I actually haven’t seen any cheaters since they switched, although I didn’t run into many cheaters prior to the switch either. I have heard that there are some issues with it banning people that aren’t cheating and I think people were saying it prevents them from recording their gameplay if they use less popular programs.

(K1X455) #4

This is exactly what I’m worried about. Human perception can be tricked. It’s not that I’m saying that there’s a cheater in every game, but but it has gone to the point where it’s really not that obvious anymore to raise suspicion.

(ImSploosh) #5

Haven’t run into many cheaters lately. There was a wave of them when EAC was first implemented, but it still wasn’t a lot. The good thing about Dirty Bomb is that cheating doesn’t get you any rewards other than the reactions from others.

However, I’m worried with ranked giving out cases for wins that cheaters will flock to it. 20 wins for one case is around 10 hours of play time- that’s a lot for one case and therefore, cheaters are bound to appear.

But so far, I’m guessing EAC has been doing its job. :wink:

(Eox) #6

I ended up seeing a lot more cheaters since the introduction of EAC, I won’t lie.

Maybe the protection will become more efficient over time tho ? I don’t know. I hope so. Anyway, NGS used to do it’s job pretty great until that blackcypher bug.

(HonourBound) #7

“I know SD are eager to get their hands on new content but maybe work a bit more on EAC first.”

SD didnt create EAC…

Right now it’s freshly implemented into the game and needs time to get to grips with things, I’m fairly certain this was the same as when NGS was implemented over Xigncode

After a while hacker quantities will start to decrease as they get flagged and banned

(GatoCommodore) #8

[quote=“HonourBound;c-223033”]“I know SD are eager to get their hands on new content but maybe work a bit more on EAC first.”

SD didnt create EAC…

Right now it’s freshly implemented into the game and needs time to get to grips with things, I’m fairly certain this was the same as when NGS was implemented over Xigncode

After a while hacker quantities will start to decrease as they get flagged and banned[/quote]

the Cheaters are usually hanging out in Casual Matchmaking, not in ranked, if its in asia
but still not that many in numbers and usually came at night

(KangaJoo) #9

@K1X455 said:
KangaJoo wrote: »

I actually haven’t seen any cheaters since they switched, although I didn’t run into many cheaters prior to the switch either…

This is exactly what I’m worried about. Human perception can be tricked. It’s not that I’m saying that there’s a cheater in every game, but but it has gone to the point where it’s really not that obvious anymore to raise suspicion.

Unless you’re certain someone is cheating, you shouldn’t assume that they’re a cheater and start complaining about it. That practice is what results in the community feeling like everyone who is good must be cheating and is exactly why I used to get vote kicked from half the servers I joined when I played DB regularly.

If it’s not that obvious, then instead of assuming they’re cheating without any evidence, assume they’re just better and try to play better yourself. I haven’t run into any player I couldn’t outfrag in a straight up 1v1 since EAC was implemented, so either I’m magically better than a cheater or nobody I’ve played in the last few weeks was cheating.

(PeterComputer) #10

To be fair, when the switch happened, as @ImSploosh points out, there was that wave of cheaters but they usually got banned or quit the game before that. Lately though, I’ve been trying to learn how to play wih weapons that I don’t usually use. As such I am starting out in low lvl servers and my god, it’s cheater central over there. About every 1 in 5 games there’s just a guy strolling about headshotting everyone. It’s nuts.

The worst part is, they are (almost) never kicked. Really, from all the instances I’ve encountered a cheater on these servers, only once or twice have we even been close to kicking the guy before he switches teams or, again, leaves the server. I don’t know why people refuse to kick a cheater. It’s really frustrating.

I’m not worried about ranked though. So far, I’ve not seen any cheaters around the ranked servers since as @GatoCommodore wrote, they usually hang around in unranked matches. Even if they do appear on ranked servers, I trust that people will actually have the decency to kick the cheater(s). Worst case scenario, he gets kicked and you end up with a 4v5, which unfortunately is already how most Solo/Duo matches end up.

@HonourBound Yes, I know SD didn’t create EAC, I was just saying that SD should sort out this situation before moving on to new content. Sorry I wasn’t clear enough! As you and a few others though, I also hope that this whole thing is because EAC is still quite a fresh arrival to DB. I’ll probably give it a few more months before starting to complain again. :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s all for now.

(PeterComputer) #11

[quote=“KangaJoo;c-223063”]>
Unless you’re certain someone is cheating, you shouldn’t assume that they’re a cheater and start complaining about it. That practice is what results in the community feeling like everyone who is good must be cheating and is exactly why I used to get vote kicked from half the servers I joined when I played DB regularly.
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To be fair, the spectator mode is there for a reason. If they are THAT suspicious about you, just tell them to spectate you. Doesn’t work 100% of the time but it usually clears up most suspicions.

(KangaJoo) #12

@PeterComputer said:
KangaJoo wrote: »

Unless you’re certain someone is cheating, you shouldn’t assume that they’re a cheater and start complaining about it. That practice is what results in the community feeling like everyone who is good must be cheating and is exactly why I used to get vote kicked from half the servers I joined when I played DB regularly.

To be fair, the spectator mode is there for a reason. If they are THAT suspicious about you, just tell them to spectate you. Doesn’t work 100% of the time but it usually clears up most suspicions.

Actually the terrible spectator mode in this game made the problem worse. They would spectate me and because the spectator mode is so twitchy and unnatural looking, they would be even more convinced I was cheating.

(SaulWolfden) #13

I think I can count the number combined in both previous anti cheats and this current anti cheat on one hand of actual hackers I’ve encountered in matches in Dirty Bomb.

(GatoCommodore) #14

weapon damage hacks exist

i got 2 body shot by dreiss in red eye then i suddenly got gibbed
i thought it was a lag of some kind

turns out his team was 6 damage hackers+2 newbies

me and my team was pretty confused when they 3 or 2 shot by anything then they are dead

but this is back on NGS era
i havent ecounter anything like this again

(K1X455) #15

The certainty of human perception is not definitive. You can all spectate and see for yourselves the obvious ones, but you I can bet you my RX-480 you won’t be able to detect hacks that are so discrete, you’ll think they’re TF2. Recent VAC bans might be a give away, but that’s a different story. I’d like to post recent findings for purposes of awareness, but it will be against forum policies and I fear that it can be abused further.

Sometimes, I wish ignorance is bliss, because although knowledge is power, it comes with a heavy burden of responsibility (along the lines of duty of care).

(Cletus_VanDamme) #16

It seems to be working as well as it does in Paladins, first match of ranked was matched against a guy with a private profile, multiple vac bans, default loadout cards and the cherry on the top was his 99.1% accuracy.

(K1X455) #17

So, in a ranked game, how long will you spectate to satisfy yourself that another team player is cheating or not? Can you afford 30 seconds?

(GatoCommodore) #18

[quote=“Cletus_VanDamme;c-223121”]It seems to be working as well as it does in Paladins, first match of ranked was matched against a guy with a private profile, multiple vac bans, default loadout cards and the cherry on the top was his 99.1% accuracy.
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why would steam still allow an accout with multiple vac ban toplay multiplayer?
dont make sense to me.

(Amerika) #19

[quote=“GatoCommodore;c-223147”][quote=“Cletus_VanDamme;c-223121”]It seems to be working as well as it does in Paladins, first match of ranked was matched against a guy with a private profile, multiple vac bans, default loadout cards and the cherry on the top was his 99.1% accuracy.
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why would steam still allow an accout with multiple vac ban toplay multiplayer?
dont make sense to me.[/quote]

Because it’s not a “steam” product. Also, IIRC, Valve doesn’t natively support allowing companies to easily import VAC bans and ban those players in their games through their API. Only Valve allows this for their own games. Now, there are tools that can easily scrape the information much like ban websites do, but that is up to developers to implement. And there is the matter of legality (per territory as well since we all have different lawas) where you can be banned from a game you just bought. Of course, now that Steam offers refunds (and we’re talking about a f2p title here anyway), that might be something devs could do with more confidence if they chose to.

Sadly, issues like this are not black and white even though it would be nice if they were.

(HardCoreGamer44) #20

well i,ve been playing DB off n on since 2015 and i got to say i,ve only seen one hacker in Dirty Bomb and as far as EAC i think it’s a pretty good thing to have in DB i,ve seen it in other games and it work’s pretty good :slight_smile: