So... Are We Bringing Back Jump Sniping...


(AlphaUT) #121

@straightforwardMacadamia

Fletcher will still do whatever he’s doing, jumping or not. In that case, it’s a problem with his stickies, not the fact that he’s jumping about. Vassili jumping up and down behind an object offers little to no counterplay. That’s a balancing issue. If it hadn’t been for the fact that it can be easily abused, I’d be on board with bringing jump sniping back.

I might misunderstand this, but what I understand is you are trying to compare both jump kill play style. Fletcher has full screen but Vassili doesn’t when he scopes. When Fletcher is jumping, he usually keeps wall jumping or behind a cover which also allows him to reduce the risk, and it is much more easier to do.

However, Vassili requires much more skill than a Fletcher who can throwing sticky bombs with full vision. Vassili needs a good aim, great reaction, knows when to jump, and yes, also I think the most important one, an enemy who is moving like a noob that does not know how to move correctly (This increase the chance of being hit A LOT)


(straightforwardMacadamia) #122

@AlphaUT
Well, actually. In my first post, my point was that I believe Fletcher’s playstyle wouldn’t be severely punished if they removed the ability to jump and throw stickies while snipers getting a great asset, perhaps too great in some cases if they were to bring back jump sniping. That’s been my point this whole time and I thought I cleared it properly in my last post. I’m not trying to compare which one is easier, harder or whichever is the fanciest to do.

It’s been a fun chat!


(XavienX) #123

[quote=“Black;194509”][quote=“Amerika;194229”]I think I need to remind people that the first time jump sniping was removed, rather randomly in a patch with it also being an unannounced change, there was a monster community backlash against it to the point that SD quickly changed it back to the normal mechanics on the next patch. Then, despite it rarely ever being brought up in any balance conversations both at the low and high end of the spectrum, it was removed again later on. And this was even after headshot gibs were removed. The change was explained on stream, which I transcribed and posted on this forum, and boiled down to, “I didn’t like it” with some other fluff.

Designers at SD didn’t like it so we don’t have it anymore. It wasn’t a balance decision. It wasn’t a community outcry that prompted it. It changed because SD wanted a more traditional sit still and fire sniper and that’s that.

It’s their game, they can do what they want. I just don’t agree with the change. And as history has proven it’s not been a positive change at all since it promotes the one playstyle we all hate…sit at the back of a map and do nothing to help the objective beyond be annoying.

Bolt-action play is rarely seen in organized competitive matches now and it’s more of a gimmick or liability in a game paced like DB. In other games I’d agree that jump sniping should not have been a thing. In DB though it most definitely should be from my perspective due to the speed of play.[/quote]

Thanks for this @Amerika .

This just about closes up this thread and topic from coming up again. Not that I think it’s because you are mod this has more value as I understand your opinions are your own.

It’s because you assert that there was a “monster community backlash”, which some people coughs @blonk just dosen’t seem to understand.

The amount of people who disagreed with it is overwhelming. It’s obvious. But like I said previously, I’m not going to tell SD how to develop a game, it’s their game and they can do whatever they want. I just have the opinion that it was a poor decision on their part and it made some players leave and others angry.[/quote]

I agree with you and Amerika supporting the idea that it’s SD’s game and they can do whatever they want but just the fact that they did this is overwhelmingly ridiculous. This is the first FPS game I’ve encountered where you have a jumping mechanism and a sniper but cannot jumpsnipe. And what’s even worse is that you used to be able to. I think SD should be rewarded something for this.


(blonk) #124

[quote=“Black;194509”]It’s because you assert that there was a “monster community backlash”, which some people coughs @blonk just dosen’t seem to understand.
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[quote=“Black;194509”]
I just have the opinion that it was a poor decision [/quote]

I tried to represent my opinion and reflect as well that it isn’t as overwhelming as you seem to think it is, but hey don’t let that get in the way of you being a twat


(Black) #125

[quote=“blonk;194572”][quote=“Black;194509”]It’s because you assert that there was a “monster community backlash”, which some people coughs @blonk just dosen’t seem to understand.
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[quote=“Black;194509”]
I just have the opinion that it was a poor decision [/quote]

I tried to represent my opinion and reflect as well that it isn’t as overwhelming as you seem to think it is, but hey don’t let that get in the way of you being a @$!#[/quote]

lol.

Why isn’t as overwhelming as I think it is?


(blonk) #126

[quote=“Black;194626”][quote=“blonk;194572”][quote=“Black;194509”]It’s because you assert that there was a “monster community backlash”, which some people coughs @blonk just dosen’t seem to understand.
[/quote]

[quote=“Black;194509”]
I just have the opinion that it was a poor decision [/quote]

I tried to represent my opinion and reflect as well that it isn’t as overwhelming as you seem to think it is, but hey don’t let that get in the way of you being a @$!#[/quote]

lol.

Why isn’t as overwhelming as I think it is?[/quote]

As I already said in my post there is no poll (that asks a non-ambiguous question, just to be clear, that’s why I linked that one) indicating anything overwhelming. They indicate that over 50% of the people who interact with these polls disagree with the change but they don’t reach the same overwhelming majorities that a lot of other polls and questions on this forum reach.

While I was quite happy to sit on the fence about all this as best as I can, looking at the first page of these forums in the last few days has convinced me further that they poorly represent the playerbase, unless you consider a bunch of whiny illiterate kids who register purely to moan about something or other a good base for your “overwhelming” stats. You’re welcome to of course, just don’t be surprised if you find me and others thinking that’s fucking stupid.

edit: i r eliterate 2


(CLS) #127

[quote=“blonk;194632”][quote=“Black;194626”][quote=“blonk;194572”][quote=“Black;194509”]It’s because you assert that there was a “monster community backlash”, which some people coughs @blonk just dosen’t seem to understand.
[/quote]

[quote=“Black;194509”]
I just have the opinion that it was a poor decision [/quote]

I tried to represent my opinion and reflect as well that it isn’t as overwhelming as you seem to think it is, but hey don’t let that get in the way of you being a @$!#[/quote]

lol.

Why isn’t as overwhelming as I think it is?[/quote]

As I already said in my post there is no poll (that asks a non-ambiguous question, just to be clear, that’s why I linked that one) indicating anything overwhelming. They indicate that over 50% of the people who interact with these polls disagree with the change but they don’t reach the same overwhelming majorities that a lot of other polls and questions on this forum reach.

While I was quite happy to sit on the fence about all this as best as I can, looking at the first page of these forums in the last few days has convinced me further that they poorly represent the playerbase, unless you consider a bunch of whiny illiterate kids who register purely to moan about something or other a good base for your “overwhelming” stats. You’re welcome to of course, just don’t be surprised if you find me and others thinking that’s @$!# stupid.

edit: i r eliterate 2[/quote]

I agree, the poll doesn’t reflect anything. For what it’s worth, none of the comp/pug players that I know come on this forum. I’m not saying their opinion matter more than others’s, just that the poll outcome represents a subset of the player base only.


(Szakalot) #128

i recall a similar discussion in ETQW. there, snipe was an instagib, in a world where SMGs do shitpoor damage with a crappy accuracy.

snipe was 100% accurate, and had impressive rate of fire, if you knew how to cycle weapons

comp had to limit teams to one sniper per team, just like fragger in DB.

in the end, the main problem with snipers is their polarized nature. if a sniper is good, it is conpletely up to them whether they score a headshot or not. range doesnt matter - if they line up your head and click you are dead.

this is unlike any other ability in the game, which is okay in a low TTK CSGO, but understandably frustrating in high TTK arena shooter.

yes, there are plenty of one shot kills in the game, but they all require either setup (cooking a nade) or cooldown (e.g. kira lazor). also, even in an undodgeable frag- nade-incoming situation you atleast have a moment to know whats coming, which doesn’t feel as uncounterble as a sniper scoring a HS.

personally, i dont see anything interesting that OHK snipers bring to DB, and comp meta definitely got more interesting after removal of instagib, at least until the major redeye buff that made PDP such a nightmare.

i understand the skill argument, but i dont care: P


(Drac0rion) #129

I just still think there could have been a better way to nerf snipers instead of randomly removing jumpsniping without a real excuse.
A longer time to scope or just a charge mechanic could have hurt jump sniping while still keeping it possible even at reduced effectiveness.


(Black) #130

[quote=“blonk;194632”][quote=“Black;194626”][quote=“blonk;194572”][quote=“Black;194509”]It’s because you assert that there was a “monster community backlash”, which some people coughs @blonk just dosen’t seem to understand.
[/quote]

[quote=“Black;194509”]
I just have the opinion that it was a poor decision [/quote]

I tried to represent my opinion and reflect as well that it isn’t as overwhelming as you seem to think it is, but hey don’t let that get in the way of you being a @$!#[/quote]

lol.

Why isn’t as overwhelming as I think it is?[/quote]

As I already said in my post there is no poll (that asks a non-ambiguous question, just to be clear, that’s why I linked that one) indicating anything overwhelming. They indicate that over 50% of the people who interact with these polls disagree with the change but they don’t reach the same overwhelming majorities that a lot of other polls and questions on this forum reach.

While I was quite happy to sit on the fence about all this as best as I can, looking at the first page of these forums in the last few days has convinced me further that they poorly represent the playerbase, unless you consider a bunch of whiny illiterate kids who register purely to moan about something or other a good base for your “overwhelming” stats. You’re welcome to of course, just don’t be surprised if you find me and others thinking that’s @$!# stupid.

edit: i r eliterate 2[/quote]

Ok dude chill out it’s not that serious. Yes like you mentioned before there is like no official stats or poll on who agrees with it or not. But we can both make an educated guess that more than 50% of people don’t agree with the change from what we have seen on the forums and the reaction.

I believe it’s overwhelming and it’s way higher than 50% but obviously I have no evidence to support that. However what’s not my opinion was the “community”(notice the quotations) back lash, knee jerk reaction, explosion, (or whatever you want to call it) that happened when the change happened.

You cannot deny there were some users who were really angry about this change.


(Szakalot) #131

people come to the forums to complain, so obviously any change is overrepresented with the negative opinions.

Nobody is gonna go on a forum and make a thread about how they like that jumpsniping is removed, lol.


(BerylRdm) #132

http://i.imgur.com/aUlg8JI.png
Holy shit, you guys must be seriously bored :slight_smile:


(slicK.JTheJackal) #133

[quote=“Beryl;194664”]http://i.imgur.com/aUlg8JI.png
Holy @$!#, you guys must be seriously bored :)[/quote]

You should see what I get up to when it’s maintenance.


(Teflon Love) #134

Good summary.

But after noticing that this topic still gathers a 5 page thread at least I’m gonna make a post: Thank you SD for removing this spastic pseudo skill. Keep up the good work! <3