Snipers should cost 100k each!

(TitaniumRapture) #21

They are either useless or impossible to kill so delete please.

(Xenithos) #22

Maybe snipers don’t “fit” in the action combat style of the game, but I hands down want any sniper who knows the basics of the game and has even a 30% chance of hitting heads. I’m sorry, but having d92.Leb (as an example of skill) alone as a sniper on a team makes his team win.

I’ve seen snipers do crazy stuff and I myself with Aimee have gotten 11 kills in about 15 or so seconds from simply defending an objective point. Objectives CANNOT be done if there is a semi-good sniper, so imo Snipers fit. When playing correctly (usually on DEFENSE) they are sublime.

(watsyurdeal) #23

@Wintergreen said:

@watsyurdeal said:
It’s amazing to me, when people sit there and say the Snipers aren’t contributing to the game.

O RLY

Before you do that, check yo self, what are you doing? Are you planting? Reviving? Give Heals and Ammo? What are you doing to help the team before you @$!# on someone else.

I mean, wouldn’t you concede they usually aren’t contributing much? At least compared to most mercs. I’ve played with you a few times (assuming you use the same name) and can tell you’re easily one of the best Aimee players I’ve come across so this is no slight directed at you personally. That said, I do feel there’s more ground to stand on when arguing against snipers rather than for them in this game. It’s funny to me how it’s socially acceptable, so-to-speak, to joke and trash about Phantoms being ineffective or likely some bad player roleplaying as a ninja, but the second you question a sniper it seems everyone loses their minds and all of these godly snipers suddenly appear out of the woodworks to defend them. Outside of ranked all is good and well, of course, but in any serious competitive sense excluding a few select scenarios and positions on a few select maps, I’m going to ask them to switch.

It’s players not contributing much, and it really does not matter what merc they play, you cannot fix incompetence. Those same Vasillis will just play Aura or Sparks and get wrecked on.

(TitaniumRapture) #24

@watsyurdeal said:

It’s players not contributing much, and it really does not matter what merc they play, you cannot fix incompetence. Those same Vasillis will just play Aura or Sparks and get wrecked on.

Except its totally different. Medic can be useful without being able to hit a truck.

(Xenithos) #25

@TitaniumRapture said:

@watsyurdeal said:

It’s players not contributing much, and it really does not matter what merc they play, you cannot fix incompetence. Those same Vasillis will just play Aura or Sparks and get wrecked on.

Except its totally different. Medic can be useful without being able to hit a truck.

Keyword: "CAN"
When you play a match with 3 auras on your team and NO heal station to be found… there’s a problem.

(TitaniumRapture) #26

@Xenithos said:

@TitaniumRapture said:

@watsyurdeal said:

It’s players not contributing much, and it really does not matter what merc they play, you cannot fix incompetence. Those same Vasillis will just play Aura or Sparks and get wrecked on.

Except its totally different. Medic can be useful without being able to hit a truck.

Keyword: "CAN"

It needs much less skill to be useful medic than sniper. I was not talking about some levels 1-10. I meant it in general.

(Teflon Love) #27

Add community servers. Make an option to allow only people with a level >= 30 (or whatever) to pick recons. Make another option to auto-kick-ban any recon who does less than 3 kills per minute. Problem solved.

I’d pay for that.

(Sorotia) #28

@AMPAL said:
in all games there are snipers and they should be! Let the newcomers figure out who and how to play!
is a sniper useful? yesterday was a sniper with 86% accuracy! k\d 73/14

And?

Do you know how incredibly rare a sniper like that is? Most Snipers can’t hit the broad side of a Rhino which leaves your team practically down a player.

(Sorotia) #29

@watsyurdeal said:

@Wintergreen said:

@watsyurdeal said:
It’s amazing to me, when people sit there and say the Snipers aren’t contributing to the game.

O RLY

Before you do that, check yo self, what are you doing? Are you planting? Reviving? Give Heals and Ammo? What are you doing to help the team before you @$!# on someone else.

I mean, wouldn’t you concede they usually aren’t contributing much? At least compared to most mercs. I’ve played with you a few times (assuming you use the same name) and can tell you’re easily one of the best Aimee players I’ve come across so this is no slight directed at you personally. That said, I do feel there’s more ground to stand on when arguing against snipers rather than for them in this game. It’s funny to me how it’s socially acceptable, so-to-speak, to joke and trash about Phantoms being ineffective or likely some bad player roleplaying as a ninja, but the second you question a sniper it seems everyone loses their minds and all of these godly snipers suddenly appear out of the woodworks to defend them. Outside of ranked all is good and well, of course, but in any serious competitive sense excluding a few select scenarios and positions on a few select maps, I’m going to ask them to switch.

It’s players not contributing much, and it really does not matter what merc they play, you cannot fix incompetence. Those same Vasillis will just play Aura or Sparks and get wrecked on.

At least they’d distribute some healing? They’re doing no good when they hide miles away from the battle (Especially on offense when you’re trying to push) and the best they can score is the occasional body shot.

Then you ask them to switch to something else and when they actually pay attention to chat they normally give you a big F-U.

This Sniper I was with with in the game the entire time and literally scored half the score of any other player in the match, friend or foe.

The rare good Sniper doesn’t seem worth the pain of the common shitty sniper.

(WatchAsILead) #30

No keep them nice and cheap, If we get 1 bad sniper on each team they cancel out and its basically a 6v6 instead of a 7v7.

(Teflon Love) #31

@WatchAsILead said:
If we get 1 bad sniper on each team they cancel out

Typically one team has more bad snipers than the other, ruining the game for them.

Sometimes one team has a great sniper, ruining the game for the others.

At best they cancel each other out (as you said), blocking a spot for other players.

There is no combination where snipers are fun for anyone but the snipers.

(Your worst knifemare.) #32

@teflonlove said:

@WatchAsILead said:
If we get 1 bad sniper on each team they cancel out

Typically one team has more bad snipers than the other, ruining the game for them.

Sometimes one team has a great sniper, ruining the game for the others.

At best they cancel each other out (as you said), blocking a spot for other players.

There is no combination where snipers are fun for anyone but the snipers.

Theres melee/pistol Aimee.

(henki000) #33

It’s not the mercs fault that new players choose to snipe. Instead it only shows that sniper is preferred weapon among newbies and gives them good vibes. When they get only low scores, it means they are already over nerfed. It might alienate whole sniper culture from playing DB. Instead new players is what Dirty Bomb need. If SD suddenly decide to remove snipers, I would seriously consider my options to switch game.

(Press E) #34

@henki000 said:
It’s not the mercs fault that new players choose to snipe. Instead it only shows that sniper is preferred weapon among newbies and gives them good vibes. When they get only low scores, it means they are already over nerfed. It might alienate whole sniper culture from playing DB. Instead new players is what Dirty Bomb need. If SD suddenly decide to remove snipers, I would seriously consider my options to switch game.

As I’ve said before, they don’t fit in with DB at all though. Sure some people like them, but they don’t contribute at all to what makes DB unique. Fast paced gameplay, versatile characters, etc. Being randomly killed from someone camping in a corner just doesn’t fit that. And that’s only if the sniper is good, which they usually aren’t.
It’s like adding content from other game genres into DB. Sure, it might be attractive to people who like those games, but to people who like DB for what it is, it’s not at all.

When a player gets a low score with Vassili, it does not mean they’ve been overnerfed, it means a sniper playstyle usually doesn’t fit in with this game at all. People trying to play snipers in DB miss what the game is really about.

I wouldn’t mind at all if snipers felt alienated from DB. I haven’t seen a single match that was made more enjoyable with a sniper present, which is why I believe removing them would actually improve the game’s population as a whole. Good or bad, snipers are only ever enjoyable to those playing them, whereas other mercs can be a lot of fun to play against. And even then, what does bottomscoring as a sniper accomplish for that “sniper culture?” It alienates them just as much.

“It might scare away the people who like sniping” is not a valid reason to have something that doesn’t fit or improve the game in any way.

(watsyurdeal) #35

At this point I would say the only problem with Snipers is counter play, aim punch should do that, but until it only affects people who are aiming down sight, and not those who hipfire, will likely never see a change.

(henki000) #36

@STARRYSOCK

Playing sniper does not mean that you have to camp in corner and fail your team. Instead their second abilities, like heartbeat sensor or smoke grenade can be used as a effective weapon that benefits whole team. Then after their second abilities, its nowadays only about headshots. It does not mean that someone has no skill or it would be random occurrence when someone lands a HS. I think playing sniper rifle needs more skill than most of the other weapons, since it is more unforgiving. I dont play sniper as my main, but still think they are equal part of the surrounding sphere. I agree that Dirty Bomb is fast paced and versatile. I just think that sniping in this game is fast paced and without them the game would be less versatile. You say sniper is fun only for those who play it, I disagree. It just needs a new strategy to counter them, maybe walk behind and use knife. That is what makes snipers so great. If there were no snipers, people would not use side paths and just rush in the middle. Sharpshooters transform general gameplay to something different, it is always refreshing to see overall team synergy to take a different nuance.

(Sorotia) #37

@henki000 said:
It’s not the mercs fault that new players choose to snipe. Instead it only shows that sniper is preferred weapon among newbies and gives them good vibes. When they get only low scores, it means they are already over nerfed. It might alienate whole sniper culture from playing DB. Instead new players is what Dirty Bomb need. If SD suddenly decide to remove snipers, I would seriously consider my options to switch game.

What?

Really?

When they get low scores it means snipers are over nerfed? What the hell are you talking about?

When they get low scores it means they aren’t good at playing the class, A.K.A. they aren’t good snipers, A.K.A. they don’t have the aim to play a sniper…

Snipers can be really powerful…but in order to tap in to that power they need great aim, which most people who play snipers don’t have.

(henki000) #38

@Sorotia

If you compare newbie aimee and newbie aura. You can notice that aura gets more xp with respect of time against aimee. It needs more practise to master aimee and truly benefit your team. I only made this assumption that one part of balance means time to gain xp with different mercs with different skill level. Having no aim does not prevent you playing any class good or evil. Playing sniper with bad aim, you can still use your spotting abilities and secondary weapons. Most important of all is that snipers are cool and attractive in the eyes of new customers. Its more important to me get variety of mechanics and freedom. Its their cult, its their crusade.

(Sorotia) #39

@henki000 said:
@Sorotia

If you compare newbie aimee and newbie aura. You can notice that aura gets more xp with respect of time against aimee. It needs more practise to master aimee and truly benefit your team. I only made this assumption that one part of balance means time to gain xp with different mercs with different skill level. Having no aim does not prevent you playing any class good or evil. Playing sniper with bad aim, you can still use your spotting abilities and secondary weapons. Most important of all is that snipers are cool and attractive in the eyes of new customers. Its more important to me get variety of mechanics and freedom. Its their cult, its their crusade.

Umm…yes it does…if your class is all about the aim.

That is what Snipers are about…the aim.

If you can’t aim as a Sniper you’re pretty much useless.

If they can’t aim a gun what makes you think they’re going to be able to aim a good spot to drop their ability? Can’t tell you how many times I’ve shot down Vas’ or Aimee’s detectors because these people throw them right out in the open.

(LifeupOmega) #40

@henki000 said:
It just needs a new strategy to counter them, maybe walk behind and use knife.

This says everything honestly. You’re not going to get close enough to a good sniper to knife them. They’ll have their wallhack up to alert them of blind spots, and any other lane will be covered.

If there were no snipers, people would not use side paths and just rush in the middle.

False. Played countless matches without snipers ruining everything, we still used flanking routes and moved around because other mercs can also hold lanes without one shotting you in half a second.