'Skill' in Brink

(GLUGLUG) #321

well it’s obvious that we’re never going to see eye to eye on this so whatever.
Everyone can resume being 1337 with their C9 GS spamming.

(Humate) #322

So, enlighten me on what “hardcore is”

In my experience - theres no such thing as hardcore. Youre either experienced with the game or gaming, or you’re not. HC is just a bs marketing term, used to either talk up the game… or used in a negative way, to downplay the fact their game is targeted towards “inexperienced players”.

(zenstar) #323

It would have been more British if he’s said pants and didn’t mean trousers.

Why? Why? Why do you call underwear “pants”? And yet “underpants” still exists as a word. Do you normally wear three layers? That must get hyper uncomfortable and could explain the riots.

(.Chris.) #324

Pants afaik is short for underpants, it’s you lot who are using the wrong words :slight_smile:

I also make my maps just wearing my lucky socks. Lets me think straight without the added distraction of clothes.

(zenstar) #325

[QUOTE=.Chris.;374132]Pants afaik is short for underpants, it’s you lot who are using the wrong words :slight_smile:

I also make my maps just wearing my lucky socks. Lets me think straight without the added distraction of clothes.[/QUOTE]

Your cyclical logic makes no sense.
If pants is short for underpants then what are underpants under? They’re called underpants because you wear them under pants. With that crazy logic then you’d just be pants all the way down.

And what do you mean “you lot”? I’m British (I just grew up in South Africa, but I’m a British citizen and living back in London now).

what you need is a sensory deprevation chamber if you want to remove distractions. either that or rub yourself down with novacaine.

(INF3RN0) #326

I don’t understand why one of the most talked about topics is always flying over people’s heads… If your judging skill it should be on how well a player can use all their tools, yea that’s normal. But when a game offers tools that essentially give the player very limited control and little room for personal improvement, not to mention extremely bias weapon choices… well then I guess you could just lie to yourself and say that it’s a problem with the players and not the game itself. I might just be used to playing a game where I know that I can use everything the game offers to an equal extent, just that some things will require more effort and be less reliable, but always reward those who master them. I think they call that balance, which tends to promote a clear definition of skill, but then again I could be mistaken…

(Jakoby) #327

think INF3RNO said it best, but what do i know i played brink for about 1 week. the game became repeatitive that quickly. As for the skill, at first there was some skill, but that ended quickly, i guess some players could remain and master the game but those are players that take forever at it, cuz it didnt take most players very long. Proof was the competition matches (was gruesome to watch).

(sereNADE) #328

SD said themselves they wanted everybody to be able to do in BRINK what previously required skill (practice/thinking) in Enemy Territory.

(H0RSE) #329

And your point?

All that essentially says is that Brink is easier to play/get the hang of than ET games, not that Brink requires not skill at all to play or that it offers no skills or mechanics that cannot be mastered.

Checkers (at least to me) requires less skill than Chess to play. Does this mean Checkers requires no skill?

(.Chris.) #330

[QUOTE=H0RSE;377682]And your point?

All that essentially says is that Brink is easier to play/get the hang of than ET games, not that Brink requires not skill at all to play or that it offers no skills or mechanics that cannot be mastered.

Checkers (at least to me) requires less skill than Chess to play. Does this mean Checkers requires no skill?[/QUOTE]

Haven’t followed every post in this thread but I’m pretty sure no one said it required zero skill, just less than other games.

(H0RSE) #331

Well then this thread has been going on for far too long. If people can agree that Brink requires skill, regardless if it is more or less than other games, then why is this thread still going? Brink is Brink and other games are other games.

(.Chris.) #332

Because people still have something to say about it, you’re free to not read the thread.

(Crytiqal) #333

Because eventho BRINK requires SOME skill, it demands far too little skill to be on top or to “seperate the men from the boys”

(L00fah) #334

That’s kind of inaccurate to say. I get your metaphor, so it’s really a non-issue - but checkers requires less KNOWLEDGE, not skill. There’s more to learn in Chess so it demands more knowledge on your part.
Both games can be equally tiring when it comes to skill though.

(aviynw) #335

Some people seem to think luck and skill are inversely proportional, luck goes up ->skill goes down, but I don’t think that’s the case.

Imagine a game similar to chess, called FLOOP, where you play a game of chess, and whoever wins that game has a %60 chance of winning a “coin toss” and the loser only has a %40 chance of winning that same coin toss. If the winner of FLOOP is whoever wins that coin toss, is there now less skill than in chess? You’re still playing an entire game of chess!

The point is that a game might still require a lot of skill to master, but at the end of the day all that mastering is going to have little effect on who is the winner. That’s what I think many are trying to say about Brink.

***And if someone said this already I’m sorry, but I’m not going to go read all 17 pages of this.

(INF3RN0) #336

It’s obvious that SD interpreted the constant crying of newblets as demanding the skill curve to be broken in to fun-size snickers bars. Because in a “Team Shooter” the “team player” should be extremely spoiled and the skill required to actually use a gun properly should cap on anyone who owns an xbox controller. I remember when it was a fine balance between team play, player smarts, and precise aim/gun control. Oh those were the days…

(L00fah) #337

Do you have a problem with fun-size Snickers bars, sir? ):<
You speak as though that’s a bad thing.

(H0RSE) #338

[QUOTE=L00fah;377758]Do you have a problem with fun-size Snickers bars, sir? ):<
You speak as though that’s a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
Why are they called “fun size” when they are so small? You’d think fun size would be enormous. There’s nothing fun about having less candy to eat.

(Jimmy James) #339

Alright, I haven’t posted in this thread for 16 pages but I got to call foul here. I’m pretty sure you are quoting someone. Uh… Stand up comedian? Sitcom? Damn, I know I’ve heard that joke somewhere before.

Wait, it was Seinfeld wasn’t it?

-JJ

EDIT: No it was The Simpsons right? (This is going to be bugging me all day now.)

(H0RSE) #340

[QUOTE=Jimmy James;377830]Alright, I haven’t posted in this thread for 16 pages but I got to call foul here. I’m pretty sure you are quoting someone. Uh… Stand up comedian? Sitcom? Damn, I know I’ve heard that joke somewhere before.

Wait, it was Seinfeld wasn’t it?

-JJ

EDIT: No it was The Simpsons right? (This is going to be bugging me all day now.)[/QUOTE]

I’m not quoting anyone. I have been saying that “fun size” line since grade school. If you heard someone else say it, it is merely a coincidence.