I also use Shrub but I don’t turn on the “fun” settings excpet for reg night which has a password. In fact I use the options in shrub that ET Pro has and in that regard shrub is better because clients don’t need to download anything. Yes some shrub server can go overboard great let them have their fun. Others use Shrub to help out people who want to play ET. Shrub fixes the /kill stoping people from killing to get a full charge bar. Has an XP save if you got disconnected for some reason. Many levels of admins so you don’t have to give people either ref or admin you now can set what you want them to have. It can ban on IP/GUID because we all know how wonderful PB ban on GUID works. But I’m sorry getting rid of it just because you don’t like it isn’t the answer. Forcing people into you own views is selfish and childish if you hate shrub so much the answer is simple don’t play on shrub servers stick to ET Pro and straight ET.
Shrub for ET = Back and better than ever 8)
I think shrub stepped over the mark with the Covert-Engineer. If there was ever a way to kill the team aspect and completely unbalance the game then that was it. Sure adding a couple of things to make more fun is ok, but actually completely altering the balance of the game so one team is is better than the other, then that’s just pointless. I mean how fun is Fuel Dump gonna be when all the allies are Covert-Engineers, all can steal a uniform and all can make it into the dump from the getgo and blow it up. Pointless, completely pointless.
Holy Mary, mother of God! I hadn’t heard of that one. I knew about the LAME as hell teammate class swapping, and that was bad enough. But what you just described leaves me with a sick feeling, and I don’t know whether to laugh or cry (no, I’m not being molodramatic, I’m serious).
Anyway to Awol: I never said you had to delete Shrub to conform to my views. Then again, nobody asked me (“me” used in the broad sense of “we the players”) if I wanted Shrub. So, yes, I can and do filter mod servers (read: non-ET servers) from my server browser, but I was kinda forced to give up half the potential servers by admins who just grabbed Shrub coz it was “kewl”, without considering the players.
Like I said, the admin features sound great, and very useful. I certainly don’t need to know about them or be affected by the other goofy, game altering (destroying) crap in order for you to implement a few admin tools, however.
In the end, admins are going to do what they want, and apparently they want more options to fiddle with. Since that’s the case, may I at least suggest that you switch to ETPro? At least that mod doesn’t completely alter the game as it was intended. And, since all the clanmatches run on it, I suppose it’s widely accepted as superior to Shrub, at least by superior players. And, once in a blue moon I’ll join an ETPro server running in Stopwatch mode, just to get a taste of a clanmatch environment. I’m sure I’m not alone in my feelings, but then again maybe I am…
I won’t run ET Pro as good as it might be its a client/server mod. Meaning the clients need to download something to play as well. I don’t have much bandwidth to play around with to allow a 1.2 MB download to everyone who joins and doesn’t have it. Now if someone was willing to host a high speed http download I can use sure why not. But I doubt anyone is willing to set something like that up for admins like me who need to watch bandwidth. Bandwidth is worth money and its not cheap.
This is why shrub is so great clients don’t need a thing to play. I get admin features and some cool fun stuff if I want it. I don’t use the covert uniform class stuff as I thought it was cheap. I don’t use the fun features as much. I generally only use the features that make sense or should of been handle from the start.
You can supposedly run etpro 2.0.x without requiring the client download. http://bani.anime.net/banimod/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2530 and scroll down a bit.
SCDS_reyalP : Thanks for that info too bad the next version will require a clientside pk3 For now shrub works for me the best.
What the hell? Are you talking about the same-team uniform swiping? That’s actually a fine addition to the game, as you’ll still require one engineer and one covert ops to actually get inside the base to activate the engineer. The only difference now is even if the engineer is killed, the covert ops can still switch to that class.
:roll: Are you paying for these servers? “LOL ALL SERVER ADMINS MUST OBEY WAHT I SEY BECASUE I AM KING OF THE INTARYWEB MACHENE”
What they are referring to is with shrubmod class switching enabled (which I consider a good feature), an allied covert can steal an enemy uniform, then if he finds a dead allied engy, he can switch to the engy class but still keep his uni. This makes him very hard to spot because he’s carrying either a thompson/mp40 or k43/garand as opposed to the standard covert weapons. So, this engy with a uni can infiltrate an axis base and then plant the dyno himself without the assistance of any of his teammates. So some shrub servers have class switching disabled to avoid this problem, some allow it and welcome this aspect of the feature, and others allow class switching but have a rule that states this procedure is strictly not allowed.
I kinda recoverd some of the original of the manual for ShrubET:
http://matrixau.net/shrubet/index.php
http://www.etstats.com/shrubet/index.php?ver=2 this still works for the manual
yep, same manual, but those downloads are just the updates, not the original install
Sorry but no…lol…it is the new old actually beta of shrubet and you don’t need the first version to use it
BTW: i am not trying to start a flame war or anything
sorry, my mistake, you are correct, I blame it all on not being able to get real beer in Canada :rolleyes:
You know, Ive seen this debate before, and I always have to say: Dont throw the baby out with the bath water.
Sure, shrub has some positively awful “features” why would you let anyone change the gravity and recharge bar? That is just fucked up.
But I happen to like quite a few of the features too. (forgive me if they exist in ETPro as well, im just not as familiar with it)
I like the shove. It gets used quite a bit. I like the “goomba” as long as it is used in context. Think about it, if someone jumped on your head with a bayonete you would die too. (not that Im making the case for 'realism" though, it just that I used to not like it…) I like the drag (drag a dead teammate), Binocs could go though, what is that about really? It isn’t a metric for ANYTHING.
I currently play on a shrub server that isn’t heavily modified and all of the “fun” crap isn’t used, powerbar is the same, etc etc . It happens to be fun and well admin’d .
So, everytime I see posts like this I have to say: Its not the mod, it’s the idiot admin that you should keep away from. (As earlier, if you want to play quake, go play it, dont turn ET in to rocket arena) I am positive that we could find you a decent shrub server. Tthere may not be many, but they exist.
Think about this: if all those idiot admins were running ETPro, do you think you would still like it as much? I doubt it, because these idiots would find some way to make the server no fun… finally some quotes for you:
“Make something idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.” – Anon
“It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious.” —RobertHeinlein
“Those who try to build idiot-proof systems always underestimate the persistence and ingenuity of idiots.” --Anon
-F
Sure, shrub has some positively awful “features” why would you let anyone change the gravity and recharge bar? That is just fucked up.
Last time I checked you could do that on ETPro too
I don’t see any point anymore argueing voer etpro or shrub as seeing as I only play comp or on servers which use comp settings shrub would NEVER get near me so it doesnt really effect me that some random server is using it 
Also note that the newest version of shrubmod (test13) which I use is still available with full documentation here:
http://www.etstats.com/shrubet/index.php?ver=2
Maybe you should mirror that too.