Show K/D ratio during match, not just after - As well as Headshots

(pnellesen) #21

No thank you to showing K/D. Mine is quite often below 1/1, but I’m usually in the top half (or higher) of the scoresheet because I PTFO and use my support abilities intelligently.

(ThatRandomGuy) #22

[quote=“Ghosthree3;35346”]No. Also I get ratios like that pretty often,
Example 1
Example 2 This one is actually your 10:1
Example 3
[/quote]

You showed the perfect example why we need a better match making system. You are high level, obviously has more experience than any of those or even combined …

(Ghosthree3) #23

Obviously. Nothing I can do about it though, all the servers are like that, I just find one that has a slot free and join it. And I am yet to see any of them be min level 10 servers.

(Gwarh) #24

I hear what some of you are saying, that is being against showing the K/D ration during a match.

But no matter what the nay sayers say of K/D stats, the simple fact is a dead Attacker can take no objectives. A dead Defender can protect no objectives.

So a good K/D ratio Does Matter.

It’s just not the end all, be all stat of FPS’s.

(Ghosthree3) #25

[quote=“Gwarh;35502”]I hear what some of you are saying, that is being against showing the K/D ration during a match.

But no matter what the nay sayers say of K/D stats, the simple fact is a dead Attacker can take no objectives. A dead Defender can protect no objectives.

So a good K/D ratio Does Matter.

It’s just not the end all, be all stat of FPS’s.[/quote]
And this is relevant to your OP because…

(Ardez1) #26

[quote=“peppyFarmer;35493”][quote=“Ghosthree3;35346”]No. Also I get ratios like that pretty often,
Example 1
Example 2 This one is actually your 10:1
Example 3
[/quote]

You showed the perfect example why we need a better match making system. You are high level, obviously has more experience than any of those or even combined …[/quote]

Except that isn’t competitive. It is just a pub server. Matchmaking doesn’t take part.

(Amerika) #27

I personally like the current system. You do get to see K/D but only at the end of a half/match. I only want better stats at the end of the match which is a topic many of us have chimed in on before and it doesn’t need to be re-hashed.

So yeah, I’m definitely against having K/D shown during play and it’s for the already outlined reasons. It’s fine the way it is in making your overall score the most important thing on the board.

(Ghosthree3) #28

The score system is yet another thing this game does perfectly imo.

(Gwarh) #29

[quote=“Ardez;35349”]I have to say… This is probably one of the more ignorant threads as far as determining the difference between hackers and skill… I can see where players get there exaggerations on the number of hackers they see if they use the same logic.

I went 9/1(Literally, 9 kills 1 death) on underground once(less than 3 minute long match). .[/quote]

Perhaps you are ignorant as to how ratios work?

Of course 9/1 or even 10/1 can happen, but when you see 90/10 the odds are exreeeeeetmly slim that was achieved through skill.

The larger the sample size the less likely the probability of luck/swingy’ness there is.

(Ardez1) #30

[quote=“Gwarh;35524”][quote=“Ardez;35349”]I have to say… This is probably one of the more ignorant threads as far as determining the difference between hackers and skill… I can see where players get there exaggerations on the number of hackers they see if they use the same logic.

I went 9/1(Literally, 9 kills 1 death) on underground once(less than 3 minute long match). .[/quote]

Perhaps you are ignorant as to how ratios work?

Of course 9/1 or even 10/1 can happen, but when you see 90/10 the odds are exreeeeeetmly slim that was achieved through skill.

The larger the sample size the less likely the probability of luck/swingy’ness there is. [/quote]

I know how ratios work btw. 9/1 is 9.0 amd 90/10 is 9.0. Those ratios are exactly, the same, but the source data is different. When you use blanket ratios to determine something like this you will run into issues exactly like that. Your post said nothing about minimum kills, just ratios.

I ask this as I’m sick of punks getting 4/1 ratios and higher and claiming they are not hackers.

That would fall well within your described ‘hacker’ range based on everything you said above. If that game didn’t end so quickly then I highly doubt that I would fail to maintain that, or at least be near that ratio.

(Amerika) #31

Couldn’t agree more. Basically, if you are proficient at your class you’ll have a good score regardless of how you contribute most of the time.

Other than the additions of more end game stats, which I REALLY want, I think the scoring system is pretty good right now.

(Gwarh) #32

[quote=“Ardez;35530”]

That would fall well within your described ‘hacker’ range based on everything you said above. If that game didn’t end so quickly then I highly doubt that I would fail to maintain that, or at least be near that ratio.[/quote]

Really

You would go constantly 40/10 over and over and over, match after match.

(ostmustis) #33

[quote=“Gwarh;35502”]I hear what some of you are saying, that is being against showing the K/D ration during a match.

But no matter what the nay sayers say of K/D stats, the simple fact is a dead Attacker can take no objectives. A dead Defender can protect no objectives.

So a good K/D ratio Does Matter.

It’s just not the end all, be all stat of FPS’s.[/quote]

long version: the number of deaths doesnt matter in this game, its how you die that matter

short version: l2p noob

(Ghosthree3) #34

[quote=“Gwarh;35535”]Really

You would go constantly 40/10 over and over and over, match after match.
[/quote]
I do.

(Amerika) #35

[quote=“Gwarh;35524”][quote=“Ardez;35349”]I have to say… This is probably one of the more ignorant threads as far as determining the difference between hackers and skill… I can see where players get there exaggerations on the number of hackers they see if they use the same logic.

I went 9/1(Literally, 9 kills 1 death) on underground once(less than 3 minute long match). .[/quote]

Perhaps you are ignorant as to how ratios work?

Of course 9/1 or even 10/1 can happen, but when you see 90/10 the odds are exreeeeeetmly slim that was achieved through skill.

The larger the sample size the less likely the probability of luck/swingy’ness there is. [/quote]

I bring this up only because it proves a point. I have a recording of me going 95/7 as Vassili with a ton of headshots in a pub Stopwatch match. And I’ve seen much better by legit players. Cheaters can be spotted by how they play most of the time and not by the end score. It’s pretty easy to watch a legit player play and see how they line up shots and how they play. I’ve spec’d quite a few people who were doing extraordinarily well who I didn’t recognize and I wanted to be sure. But after spec’ing them and seeing them play it was easy to see they were just good players. And the ones who were obviously botting are now banned.

My point is you can’t go off of ratio in a pub/pug. Going off of numbers alone is why there are so many accusations of cheating in this game to the point of it being pretty off-putting. Go to spec if you have doubts. Watch somebody play. If they are spinning like mad and headshotting everyone then of course they are cheating. If they are playing extremely smart and lining up shots and putting themselves in advantageous positions the odds are they are just really good and playing against less experienced players.

I’m pretty tired of people losing, getting upset and claiming somebody is cheating right as they leave the server as if going to spec and maybe learning isn’t an option. @Watsyurdeal witnessed that with me last night and I did well below my average in a pub those games. Oh, btw @Watsyurdeal, I fixed my sound issue I was griping about. I’m an idiot and actually had my headphones on backwards the whole time I was playing :frowning: I thought it was related to my mic port breaking recently and only figured it out after I took my damn headset off.

So yeah, I don’t want to give ammunition to the entitled people who want to feel better about themselves because they can write somebody off as a cheater because of a ratio. That’s how games like this die.

(watsyurdeal) #36

To be fair it’s a lot easier to spot a hacker when you just go to spec someone, I can tell someone has good tracking, movement, or twitch by watching them.

But when I see them looking through walls at enemies they shouldn’t know are there, or basically their crosshair instant locking onto people’s heads…yea.

There’s a big difference between having great twitch and botting. Twitch, you can actually see the crosshair move, botting, it’s literally frame difference. 1 frame they are looking someplace else, the next they are on someone’s head.

Personally whenever I get accused I laugh it off unless it’s to a point where it’s personal. “see you on the forums, everyone’s gonna see it”. At that point, I want to see their evidence, so I can purposefully put them down and show them how fucking stupid they really are.

Even if I think someone is hacking I don’t go so far as to point it out or shame them on a forum somewhere. I’d rather just report them quietly and leave it at that.

(Ghosthree3) #37

(Amerika) #38

Indeed it was. I recently had a thunderstorm in my area and my mic port was broke the next day. And then, when I was playing, my positional sound was all messed up and I heard things happening clear off the map that weren’t jiving with what I was seeing in game. I uninstalled the new sound card drivers I had installed to try and troubleshoot my mic issue and went back to the windows default ones, I reinstalled the drivers again after I noticed it didn’t fix it. I just couldn’t figure out what was wrong and so I decided to get up and get a drink and took my headset off finally and noticed the cord was on the wrong side.

It was a pretty hilarious fail on my part and I had a good laugh. Seriously though, if you want to get REALLY disorientated while playing DB or any game where you rely on positional sound…turn your headphones around the wrong way. I don’t think in all my years I’d ever done that before and it’s pretty crazy.

(elegantRoyalty) #39

[quote=“Gwarh;35502”]I hear what some of you are saying, that is being against showing the K/D ration during a match.

But no matter what the nay sayers say of K/D stats, the simple fact is a dead Attacker can take no objectives. A dead Defender can protect no objectives.

So a good K/D ratio Does Matter.

It’s just not the end all, be all stat of FPS’s.[/quote]

id say the right kills can matter , but K/D is utterly irrelevant. a lot of kills are just prolonging the stalemate or re rolling the dice , some actually hurt your own team. and some can save the game.
as theres no way for the game to tell which category it falls in and pointless kills are the ones people tend to farm i dont think its a useful stat.

(Aazhyd) #40

Haha, I did that too once. It’s really weird, because sometimes you hear footsteps and shooting from OUTSIDE the map. Or at least, it sounds like that.