Show K/D ratio during match, not just after - As well as Headshots

(Gwarh) #1

I’d like to be able to see players Kill/Death count during a match, instead of having to wait till after each match.
Also I’d like to see their # of Head Shots.

I ask this as I’m sick of punks getting 4/1 ratios and higher and claiming they are not hackers. Once a reporting system is put in place (Please for the love of the Gods put one in soooooon!) it will make the cheaters stand out even more.

Less than 1/1 = Poor player
1/1 ratio = Average player
2/1 ratio = Good player
3/1 ratio = Great player
4/1 ratio = pretty f’ing unlikely
10/1 ratio = How the f#@k is that not hacking

And if the majority of their kills are head shots it’s even more damning evidence.

What % of kills are headshots for the average player? 10%, rising to maybe 33% for the Great Players?

(Ghosthree3) #2

No. Also I get ratios like that pretty often,
Example 1
Example 2 This one is actually your 10:1
Example 3

KD doesn’t indicate a hacker, unless it’s something ridiculous like 100/0. And seeing it mid-game won’t help that, you can see it at the end of the game, same effect. What showing it mid-game will do however is result in shaming and abuse. As well as make people more hesitant to take risks to complete objectives because they don’t want to ruin their KD further. It’s unhealthy for an objective based game, after the game is over it’s fine to show it though.

(Derpfestor) #3

Hell no.

(Rjsto) #4

[quote=“Ghosthree3;35346”]No. Also I get ratios like that pretty often,
images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/445077053391996941/FE232D5678CD46CC510637E09E06478DB5D892B5/[/quote]

Whaat almost 100 kills in 12 minutes? In which point do you even have time to die in that pace? :#

(Ardez1) #5

I have to say… This is probably one of the more ignorant threads as far as determining the difference between hackers and skill… I can see where players get there exaggerations on the number of hackers they see if they use the same logic.

I went 9/1(Literally, 9 kills 1 death) on underground once(less than 3 minute long match). Am I a hacker now because my enemies were particularly bad?

And yes, there are obvious hackers going 80/2 or something like that. No doubt in my mind, because I have seen that before. On the other hand I have also seen a player using a wallhack only with no aimbot. After spectating him he was prefiring on enemies and obviously tracking through walls. The lack of aimbot reduces a lot of suspicions and still allows him to get an unfair advantage. He wasn’t getting too great of a K/D, but it turned a decent player into a great one based on your ratios.

Also, adding K/D to the during match menu takes away from the objective focus of the game imho.

(Ghosthree3) #6

Stopwatch, 12 minutes first round, then they failed to finish all 3 in the 12 minute window next round. So 24 minutes.

EDIT: Or maybe it was the other way around, they couldn’t do all 3 in 15 minutes, then we did them in 12 in the second round. In that case 27 minutes.

(versatileGuppy) #7

I done a 22 : 2 last week and was called hacker but this “lows” just always run into my av mg … also git a quadra with arty :smiley:

allround i have a 4, smth kda but i see that it is because i can kill 4 vasill from behind (i hate this guys (always in mm .))
But it would be reaaly nice to see kda in the match (pls add mandarin/ jap. letters too)
Btw. did they work on a stats system ? (kda hitrate and so on)

+1

(Rjsto) #8

[quote=“Ghosthree3;35350”]
Stopwatch, 12 minutes first round, then they failed to finish all 3 in the 12 minute window next round. So 24 minutes.

EDIT: Or maybe it was the other way around, they couldn’t do all 3 in 15 minutes, then we did them in 12 in the second round. In that case 27 minutes.[/quote]

Oh, I didn’t know that’s how Stopwatch worked, haven’t got into the gamemode yet since I started today! I guess it’s a bit more doable then :*

(novelBastion) #9

Please do not “COD’ify” a great objective based game with KDR. KDR litteraly means nothing. Helping your team win is what matters in this game. a 3/9 medic constantly reviving their team is just as good as a 41/9 fragger. If anything they should remove it completely. I always get a KDR of at least 2.5+ and it means jack shit.

(sinKrin) #10

Are there any benefits to having the KDR in the first place? I mostly see it as a stat to promote camping.

(avidCow) #11

This is the worst way to determine who is hacking. Spec people if you have any concerns.

(Shananuga) #12

[quote=“Ghosthree3;35346”]No. Also I get ratios like that pretty often,
Example 1
Example 2 This one is actually your 10:1
Example 3

KD doesn’t indicate a hacker, unless it’s something ridiculous like 100/0. And seeing it mid-game won’t help that, you can see it at the end of the game, same effect. What showing it mid-game will do however is result in shaming and abuse. As well as make people more hesitant to take risks to complete objectives because they don’t want to ruin their KD further. It’s unhealthy for an objective based game, after the game is over it’s fine to show it though.[/quote]

This says all.

I am very cautios of accusing players of cheating. Aimbot could just be someone with lots of luck and great aim. While with wallhack there is something i see a lot of players in pubs disregarding. Running is very loud. I can hear people coming from far away, so when i know someone is around the corner from hearing alone i tend to shoot in advacne. And with a well played vassilli in the team there is almost no point in having a wallhack honestly

(Ghosthree3) #13

Don’t discount wallhacks, they are EXTREMELY powerful and give a massive advantage. Vasilli can’t cover everything at all times, nor can he provide information like who is coming and what they’re doing.

(Shananuga) #14

Don’t discount wallhacks, they are EXTREMELY powerful and give a massive advantage. Vasilli can’t cover everything at all times, nor can he provide information like who is coming and what they’re doing.[/quote]

Its not like I’m entirely disregarding it :slight_smile:
Also I’m talking about pubs not competitive, so i assume that a hacker won’t provide information for his teammates which reduces the effect of the wallhack already. He has definetly an edge but hes not on godmode like with an aimbot. Doing both however is just like letting a bot play in my opinion.

I don’t say it’s a good thing, it should definetly be a reason to get banned. My mainpoint is that people are really fast to judge in fps. So far i only encounter 1 legit hacker of which i was sure(but that one was very obvious). I dont say there weren’t more but i wasn’t 100% sure of someone else using hacks. False reports are always an issue and while a report function is definetly missing i just want to throw in some causion :slight_smile:

Having KDR shown all times would make people only judge out of grief even faster. I mean be honest, who didn’t rage atleast once at someone for pulling some impossible shot and accussing them of aimbot? You rage even more if that someone does so continusly.

While i would like to say that everyone inherit some kind of sportsmanship it sadly is not always true. People are fast to blame if they are doing bad. Those that throw in a genuinly ment GG are rare(on the loosing side)

(Humbug) #15

hacker because 4/1 kd lol?
i regularly get a kd of 4 or higher and I’m not even a top player.
if you’re much better than someone else you will kill him 9.9/10 times in this game.
would still like to see the k/d during rounds to able to at least make a guess which teammates i can rely on.
if i play medic and try to support a fragger who simply can’t kill shit, i always need to learn it the hard way.
I don’t think “it takes away from the objective focus”, people who play for K/d will do it anyway no matter where or when it’s displayed, they would even do it if it’s not displayed at all.
And by the way the % headshots for good players is around 80-100%, definitely not 30%

#16

I have a better idea.
Hide player levels too.

(ThatRandomGuy) #17

Seeing KDR does shift the player’s focus from objective to KDR… But there are some players (like me) who would do anything to keep a good KDR.

I wana see my KDR, i dont wana see other’s stats…I just wana see mine.

Showing KDR will have a positive effect as well as a negative effect.

Lemme show you an example…

I am a random player, playing normal. I press tab and look at that my KDR is high but my score is low…I could realise that i am not exactly contributing to the mission. Now i could safely stop camping / switch char and help the team with the objective, knowing my KDR is safe.

I am playing really really bad, but i am getting a few kills here and there, mostly because of luck. I am using a merc with a gun that i cant shoot , but i think im good because im getting random kills. If i could see my KDR, i could understand that i am bad with this particular loadout and i could change. By changing my current loadout to something i can actually use, i am going to contribute more to the team…Rather than being a bullet sponge… [ every day i see people with 0/10+ death]

I could compare myself with different loadouts… Lets say , proxy[smg / shotgun].
I could use either of those loadouts and compare myself, how useful is that gun at different positions. I could compare and findout which of em are better for me. Which of em do better job at keeping me alive.

[i know you are tempted to DISLIKE with the post because i dont share your view,But if you disagree,click on DISAGREE , instead of DISLIKE ]

Hiding player levels would be really bad idea @Kenzi , why? These high level players, obviously has better skills than us lowbies. So naturally they will be steam rolling us, and if we cannot see the player’s level…everybody would be yelling ZOMFG HACKER , CHEATER, GAME MANY CHEATA, I QUIT…

Also, i am not exactly agreeing with OP here, im just expressing my views. Before somebody asks says ,

I dunno if old games showed KDR and i dont care.
No im not 12yr old.
No im not a kid.

(Ghosthree3) #18

They did, KDR has been a part of FPS games forever.

(ToonBE) #19

Ghostthree3 you are dodgy and probably cheating. I may be wrong.

(sharpSubmarine) #20

Not showing KDR during the match is actually one of the design choices that made me fall in love with Dirty Bomb. So no, I disagree completely with OP.

The score of each player gives a perfect picture of how good a player is playing the map, whether it’s fragging, objectives or support. Showing KDR, as said already by others, leads only to more toxicity, abuse and all those counterproductive things that we see everywhere.