Shotguns, Shuffle and Servers

(Orivar) #1

My English isn’t that good but it is FINE

  • I am level 29. I don’t care about the other mercs because they require skill, shotguns do not require skill, just a lucky one shot or two shot*

So shotguns- OVER f#%&ing Powered. Remove them from the game or rework them. the range is so big, the damage is so big and when people jump with a shotgun (or any weapon) they don’t need to 100% HIT WHERE THEY ARE POINTING AT…

Shuffle- I had a match right now that the teams were ok, not so balanced but not so balanced either. At the last objective in Bridge after we delivered one drug an enemy wanted to shuffle. SO EVERYBODY PRESSED F1, then I was in the losing team. I couldn’t even spawn and the enemy won. Then next round we got F#%&ED.** I dont care to lose but I do care to lose if it because of the broken shuffle**

MAYBE MAKE IT THAT SHUFFLE ISN’T ACTIVE WHEN WE ARE IN THE F#%&ING 3RD OBJECTIVE?

Now, I know I need to talk about the servers so I will try to end it right now, YOUR SERVERS ARE BAD. If I will go play battlefield I will have 70ms with no problems. I cant even feel the difference if I will have 40ms or even lower. But in Dirty Bomb my internet will go crazy if I have 84ms? YES.
I will get the "disconnected from the server, Trying to reconnect"message for 2 seconds. In that time my player will stay still and will get killed most of the time. I get that message about 5 times a Stopwatch game

SD, the problem isn’t in my internet. I have 40mbs and 3mbs+ upload. It is in your servers and you know it. I will pay 60$ because I love this game if you will get better servers and fix your game.

I was Mr rage, over and out.

(KUST__LunarTM) #2

Shotguns aren’t too much of a problem, but their range definitely could use a nerf. Kind of ridiculous having the Remburg do 40+ dmg a shot at medium range.

And don’t worry about shuffles. They’re going to get removed soon enough with the matchmaking update (hopefully).

(Nibbles02) #3

Shotguns are balanced enough compared to other guns though. For example, the BR-16 can one-shot any merc with 90 health or less and two-shot everyone else except Thunder, Fragger, and Rhino. Also, this gun and the Stark are present on TANKS, meaning high health high DPS, and the guns work at any range. It kills even faster than the Blishlok with headshots and doesn’t require as good aim either. On characters like Arty and Kira, they’re balanced because both characters are generally weak at closer range due to their low health and ranged support abilities, but Fragger and Thunder have them, both with short range specials and high health.

Also, if you have issues hitting a bunnyhopping shotgun player, just practice your aim more. Jumping around in actual combat, especially with higher level players, is a death sentence because it makes your movements super predictable. Shotguns also have a pretty tiny effective range, so anyone with a shotgun pretty much has to bum rush you anyways.

(sneak) #4

[quote=“IIIORIVARIII;30755”]My English isn’t that good but it is FINE

So shotguns- OVER f#%&ing Powered. Remove them from the game or rework them. the range is so big, the damage is so big and when people jump with a shotgun (or any weapon) they don’t need to 100% HIT WHERE THEY ARE POINTING AT…

Shuffle- I had a match right now that the teams were ok, not so balanced but not so balanced either. At the last objective in Bridge after we delivered one drug an enemy wanted to shuffle. SO EVERYBODY PRESSED F1, then I was in the losing team. I couldn’t even spawn and the enemy won. Then next round we got F#%&ED.** I dont care to lose but I do care to lose if it because of the broken shuffle**

MAYBE MAKE IT THAT SHUFFLE ISN’T ACTIVE WHEN WE ARE IN THE F#%&ING 3RD OBJECTIVE?

Now, I know I need to talk about the servers so I will try to end it right now, YOUR SERVERS ARE BAD. If I will go play battlefield I will have 70ms with no problems. I cant even feel the difference if I will have 40ms or even lower. But in Dirty Bomb my internet will go crazy if I have 84ms? YES.
I will get the "disconnected from the server, Trying to reconnect"message for 2 seconds. In that time my player will stay still and will get killed most of the time. I get that message about 5 times a Stopwatch game

SD, the problem isn’t in my internet. I have 40mbs and 3mbs+ upload. It is in your servers and you know it. I will pay 60$ because I love this game if you will get better servers and fix your game.

I was Mr rage, over and out.[/quote]

Yes shotguns are bs.

shuffle is stupid and doesn’t fix the teams and mostly consists of terrible players trying to get on the winning team as if it even matters or gets recorded in a way that a player can view.

Don’t just assume that the servers are the problem with a network connection… you just make yourself look foolish.

Your ping on other server also has nothing to do with your ping to this server.

Without any proof you’re just running your mouth and looking dumb.

The speed of your internet isn’t going to make a difference in the ping you get to the server either.

(arcaneCanvas) #5

[quote=“KUST__LunarTM;188438”]Shotguns aren’t too much of a problem, but their range definitely could use a nerf. Kind of ridiculous having the Remburg do 40+ dmg a shot at medium range.

And don’t worry about shuffles. They’re going to get removed soon enough with the matchmaking update (hopefully).[/quote]


not really ridiculous.
just need moar spread.

(KUST__LunarTM) #6

@arcaneCanvas Might as well argue about why most weapons will not one shot kill to the head, or how Rhino can survive a point blank sniper rifle head shot. The game’s not meant to imitate reality damage-wise, but rather balanced around numerical point deductions from a set numerical health pool to ensure that each gun is balanced with each other in their own ranges.

(ClemClem7) #7

@arcaneCanvas
I agree with @KUST__LunarTM, this game is not about reality, if you want so, play arma or squad, they have real distance fights. I’m a game where everyone is close to you, you can’t use real stats.

(arcaneCanvas) #8

of all the things this game offers, the only thing realistic is the range of each gun.
i can shoot people with the shorty shotgun in the game while iron sighting to reduce my spread. thats kinda cool.

sure shotgun can reach that far, but it wont peneterate body armor.
and the pellets have a very big spread after 20yrd
(ofcourse, if those shotgun all rifled barrel, it could be better in terms of preformance)
getting hit in the head with one of those pellets is like being hit by a sledgehammer in the head but not strong enough to kill you.

and why we dont have slug shotgun?

(KUST__LunarTM) #9

@arcaneCanvas I’m not sure the point got across.
It’s a video game. Video games do not always function with the same laws and physics as real life. It’s purposefully designed this way so people can enjoy the game.

If you want a more true to life gun game, Insurgency would be your best bet.

(dlux) #10

Does not matter what game I play, I see baddies whine about shotguns in all of them.
Just deal with it

(Jostabeere) #11

[quote=“Delukz;188527”]Does not matter what game I play, I see baddies whine about shotguns in all of them.
Just deal with it[/quote]
Does not matter what game I play, I see everyone whine about aimboters in all of them.
Just deal with it
Just deal with issues, right?

(dlux) #12

[quote=“Jostabeere;188532”][quote=“Delukz;188527”]Does not matter what game I play, I see baddies whine about shotguns in all of them.
Just deal with it[/quote]
Does not matter what game I play, I see everyone whine about aimboters in all of them.
Just deal with it
Just deal with issues, right?
[/quote]

Are we really comparing aimbotters to shotguns now? Let’s not.
I’d rather not bring myself down to such dumb comparisons.

(Guziol) #13

Dirty Bomb is one of very few multiplayer games where shotguns are somewhat usable, i would even mind more buffs. If they are so OP then why every higher lever player that is worth his salt uses medium ranged weapons like rifles and switches to smgs on shotgun classes whenever they can? I understand it can be frustrating to get 1HKO around the corner by one but there are things that do that as well and i dont see anyone complaining cough…fragger nade…sough…snipers…cough. And shotguns are also not as forgiving as you might think, low firerate means you have to carefully place your shots.

(Jostabeere) #14

[quote=“Delukz;188543”][quote=“Jostabeere;188532”][quote=“Delukz;188527”]Does not matter what game I play, I see baddies whine about shotguns in all of them.
Just deal with it[/quote]
Does not matter what game I play, I see everyone whine about aimboters in all of them.
Just deal with it
Just deal with issues, right?
[/quote]

Are we really comparing aimbotters to shotguns now? Let’s not.
I’d rather not bring myself down to such dumb comparisons.[/quote]

For the sake of the argument, yes. It’s a theoretical comparsion because you acted like people should ignore actual issues in games.

(dlux) #15

[quote=“Jostabeere;188549”][quote=“Delukz;188543”][quote=“Jostabeere;188532”][quote=“Delukz;188527”]Does not matter what game I play, I see baddies whine about shotguns in all of them.
Just deal with it[/quote]
Does not matter what game I play, I see everyone whine about aimboters in all of them.
Just deal with it
Just deal with issues, right?
[/quote]

Are we really comparing aimbotters to shotguns now? Let’s not.
I’d rather not bring myself down to such dumb comparisons.[/quote]

For the sake of the argument, yes. It’s a theoretical comparsion because you acted like people should ignore actual issues in games.[/quote]

That just depends on what you find an issue in the game: 100% of the players agree that aimbotters should be banned, but what is the percentage of users that thinks shotguns are an issue? I’d say it’s a pretty low percentage of low skill players.

If the majority thinks it’s not an issue, is it really an issue?

(Szakalot) #16

shotguns are crap, the better the skill level the worse they get

(Amerika) #17

There is a difference between being annoyed by shotguns and shotguns being overpowered. There is a big difference between those two things. Shotguns are pretty terrible in a lot of situations you find yourself in playing Dirty Bomb. It’s why virtually nobody at the higher levels of play use a shotgun in a serious competitive scenario. They are only situationally good in a few cases where the person is playing a position that only exposes them to super short range fighting. But most of the time, due to severe range issues, they are pretty awful. This makes them annoying to deal with in short range or when you have some random player who rushes you with a shotgun and is jumping constantly and gets lucky. Again, that’s not overpowered…that’s just annoying. That same person you’d melt, assuming decent aim, in virtually every other situation.

I do hold the opinion that no game, at least not one that is similar to DB’s gunplay, should try to balance a shotgun as a primary weapon. They will always have range issues in that they are useless at medium/long range and crazy good in short range. So you create a ton of unfair situations for everyone involved depending on the situation. I would like to see shotguns moved to the secondary slot and balanced with machine pistols. They could then be toned down a bit in short range and made useful but not as crazy as they are now. It would also help remove the shotgun hoppers. The shotguns could be replaced with appropriate smg’s.

That would fix a lot of issues with shotguns in DB and keep the gunplay pretty good for all classes and at all ranges which helps overall balance in general.

(Orivar) #18

You are 100% right but the problem is that in min 10 there are a lot of shotgunners but not always.
I do think that if a guy will walljump, he doesn’t need to have 100% accuracy. Same thing for all the other weapons. This is my opinion for walljumps.

(watsyurdeal) #19

Honestly the only thing that annoys me about Shotguns, is how much I suck with them, yet seem to get killed by them in most random ways. :smiley:

And unlike Amerika, I don’t personally believe Shotguns should be secondaries, because then they become the obvious choice imo.

I do however believe the shotgun’s problems could be solved if we did some tweaking, for one, get rid of damage fall off on them, it’s pretty irrelevant when you consider the fact the pellets spread out so much. Then next, reduce the damage of the pellets, so a full meatshot can kill someone of specific health, but beyond that you need at least 2 consistent sprays of buckshot.

That’s just my opinion however, I’ve seen shotguns be great weapons in other games, but I think given how slow they fire, and how fast everything else can you compared to them, I think it’s clear they are severely underpowered.

(Guziol) #20

[quote=“IIIORIVARIII;188605”]You are 100% right but the problem is that in min 10 there are a lot of shotgunners but not always.
I do think that if a guy will walljump, he doesn’t need to have 100% accuracy. Same thing for all the other weapons. This is my opinion for walljumps.[/quote]

And they dont, jumping penalizes you quite severely unless absolute point blank arms reach range. Same applies to shotguns, spread goes nuts if you are jumping.