"RNG OBsidian case rip-off fml" --No. This isn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

(SzGamer227) #1

Here’s the thing.

A fixed Obsidian card would not have been any more likely to make you happy than a random one. It’s a matter of “a fixed card that 1/3 of people will be happy with” versus “a random card that 1/3 of people will be happy with”.

So there. That’s it. Not everyone would be getting the card they want, no matter how the card is decided.

Here’s why random is the better of the two.

Trading loadout cards between accounts is a planned feature, and I highly doubt they won’t eventually implement it when the demand for such a feature is so high. When trading becomes a possibility, you will have a chance to get a card you want.

People who got a “sht shotgun loadout" can trade for someone else’s Hochfir one, because "fck the Hochfir all I want is Lock-On”. In the end, a higher proportion of people will end up with the card they want than if the card were fixed.

It’s not an immediate improvement, but it’s there. This is the outcome that gives you the most control over what you bought. You have power of choice that you wouldn’t have had with a fixed card.

You can’t reasonably have expected the fixed card to be the perfect card anyways.

Cheers.

(asparagusJukebox) #2

I dont think those kind of exclusive obsidian will be tradeable

(Sinee) #3

“Fixed cards” have always been the same loadout, at least with Proxy from as far as I can remember. Her suspect loadout was Hochfir. Her Humble bundle was hochfir.

At least we anticipated what loadouts/weapons we were getting because we were familiar with the fixed loadouts for fucks sake.

As far as I’m aware, there was no fine print when I purchased the damn thing that it wouldn’t follow the same suit as every event or special case that predated it. I never fucking touch shotguns. They’re diarrhea and flagrantly unbalanced in this game. I play with the Hochfir and invested my money to get it.

The fixed loadouts aren’t perfect, but we at least knew what we were buying. FOR ONCE! FOR ONCE with this game, I made a purchase anticipating what I’d get! Sure it was 1 in 4 mercs but I anticipated which fucking loadout I was going to be getting. Even my holiday event Stoker is the same fucking loadout as the REV loadout. Why would I EVER expect 1/9 when I paid money in good faith it’d be the same?!?!?!/1/1/11/1

Worth noting, Raziel even said that it’d be a fixed loadout. I made my purchase expecting this. If I knew it was going to be 1 in 4 merc for 1 in 9 loadout I would’ve never fucking bought it. But I guess that’s why this was done this way, so I’d buy it in good faith like a gullible fucking idiot.

(nokiII) #4

If they did it with trading in mind, then they should’ve communicated that.
Or when they changed their mind, communicate that aswell to prevent people from buying things with false information on hand.

There are also people out there, that don’t want to partake in the RNG fest and only buy things that are set in stone and now feel betrayed.

(LifeupOmega) #5

Wouldn’t have really minded if Stoker won, all his weapons are good. Proxy on the other hand has 6/9 useless cards by virtue of their weapon.

All the Hochfir loadouts are good. The preview of the new Tolen/Hoch one has Lock On, then there’s the Drilled/Deagle (which I hope stays the same) and the Hoch/MP400 which is just golden by virtue of being the MP400.

Basic assumption that Proxy’s other two obsidians were shotguns would imply this one would be a Hochfir.

(SzGamer227) #6

@Mercy - You can never antipate what you get when you buy into something on Dirty Bomb if a case is involved. Even in closed beta the Obsidian cases were RNG. There has never been an equipment case with a single fixed card inside that would justify thinking a single all-pleasing card would come out of the Obsidian Vengeance case. Raziel’s miscommunication was a mistake that he has apologized for, but even so, you were banking on speculation when you assumed you would get a fixed Hochfir card out of the possibile nine loadouts.

I bought into the event cases because the mercs I was supporting the most (Phoenix and Stoker) were the ones that had the best chance of yielding loadouts I was happy with. I’m just trying to look at the bright side of the sh*t waste of money that a Proxy card is. I am personally waiting for trading to become a feature so that I can trade the Odsidian Proxy for one of the Obsidian Phoenix cards that were given away a while back, so it doesn’t look all that bad to me.

I’m just trying to show you guys who are griping about the RNG case that it’s not the end of the world. If you don’t want a garbage Proxy card, you can look forward to trading it for a good card that you really want. All 9 of Proxy’s loadouts now have an Obsidian out there waiting to be exchanged, so you have choice. That’s what you wouldn’t have if it were a fixed loadout card. Get mad all you want that you spent your money on something besides a guaranteed Hochfir loadout, but given the uncertainty of what the fixed card might have been, this is the outcome that gives you the most control over what you paid for. That’s all I’m trying to say. If you can’t get over your disappointment, that’s another issue, but if I can get over spending $15 on a card I’ll never use because Proxy had several unfair advantages, when Stoker was only half a percent behind andrightfully should have won Culprit for instead, then by God, you guys should be able to get over this too.

(SzGamer227) #7

@hypnotoad - Trading is a very panned feature meant to rectify all situations of this sort. They don’t have to tell you every time you get a loadout that you can look forward to trading them in. It’s implied by the announcement that trading will become a feature.

Raziel had already admitted responsibility for the miscommunication and apologized. That’s the extent of that issue.

If you don’t like RNG, you shouldn’t buy into products made by a group of developers possessed by chaotic RNG demons.

@LifeupOmega - The quality of loadout cards is completely subjective. A great card for one person could be horrible for another. That’s why the possibility of trading for cards you really want is the bright side of this situation: people are bound to end up with cards that each other wants more than the card they have.

Speculation about what a fixed card would be is still just speculation.

@asparagusJukebox - The only cards that would make sense to exempt from trade are Founders Obsidian. Standard Obsidian and Special Edition are the things that trading will be the most useful for.

(asparagusJukebox) #8

I got five shotgun proxy out of this event speak for yourself Im sick of all of that

(SereneFlight) #9

I didn’t buy Obsidian pack but I did get the worst Hollund card from Suspect Case so I might as well have gotten that card from Obsidian Case sooo… yeah, I totally wouldn’t be bitter at all when other people got better cards than I did… especially if I spent 5/15€ for it (5 if I wanted to buy Aimee as well, 15 if I bought the pack just for Obsidian Case)

(RyePanda) #10

The problem is that the RNG makes 11% of people get the same card. Which sucks.

(Dysfnal) #11

@RyePanda it’s not like you’ll use both of them, most people won’t at least

(Dysfnal) #12

The point I’m trying to make is that you have two separate 11% chances of getting the specific loadout you want, along with two 33% chances at getting the weapon you want, it’s not as bad as people like to think

Can someone competent figure out what those odds are? I don’t feel like breaking my head

(triteCherry) #13

Good idea.

(grandioseCutlet) #14

@SzGamer227 You’re talking about trading as if it was the solution for everyone’s disappointment, but I think they said before that Obsidians wouldn’t be tradable.

The culprit case is a special edition so I guess it’s going to be tradable (if special editions are not tradable then the trading feature would be completely useless).

So if Obsidian trading really becomes a thing then indeed more people might be happy (still good luck trying to find someone who wants H52) but right now I’m not so sure it’s going to help for the Obsidian.

Also, when you say that people wouldn’t be happier with a fixed card than with a random one, I don’t think you realize that 90% of the community would be happy with any of the Hochfir loadouts.

(doxjq) #15

@SzGamer227 you’re missing the point. We were told it was going to be a fixed loadout. Regardless of which loadout it is, there are people who are willing to invest their money into a fixed card. They simply despise RNG and gambling.

They were mislead. Unintentional or not, we have every right to be upset.

(blufflord) #16

well if ya upset now, then u better fucking stay upset if ya end up getting a good loadout from the cases then

(Cletus_VanDamme) #17

Anybody who got the same loadout in obsidian and culprit should be able to re roll one of them. It’s bullshit that your paying customer gets fucked around like this.

(KattiValk) #18

I got two shotgun cards and am thoroughly disappointed.

(opicr0n) #19

Both my founder and current obsidian cases contained shotty, not a happy camper :neutral:.

(Runeforce) #20

@RazielWarmonic Could we please get a ‘rofl’ button, because ‘lol’ is a literal understatement of what I did while reading Mercys post…?