Requests For Competition Tweaks

(engiebenjy) #81

Yeah I also had these thoughts, but I wouldnt worry - playtests would surely bring up any issues like this, also shoot first ask questions later :smiley:

(Dashiva) #82

[QUOTE=Joe999;197104]that’s because it doesn’t matter what he said back then. but it matters what he says here:

there are 2 implications to this:

  1. sd did listen and all his suggestions lead to the fact that the game turned out to be not his type of game, so everything he said was bad
  2. sd didn’t listen to what he said and he’s the best game designer ever in his opinion. well, if that’s the case, he should create his own gaming company and show how to make a game instead of showing his ability to play a computer game and to pick out things from previous games.

it’s always the same with people like him. i don’t say that there aren’t valid points in what people bring up. but there also should be considered that game devs are designing a game with a certain direction in mind which has to be considered as well. mentioned “removing vehicles” in a vehicle based game isn’t really something that’s helpful.

good example of the attitude of “pro” gamers and their “constructive” contributions. see what i mean? :)[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I’m talking about when I write about backhanded comments. You don’t even know me, and yet you stereotype me into some mold. Apparently your opinion is the only one that is valid.

I’m not asking for the devs to change the game, merely for the tools to control it. There seems to be a serious dearth of understanding around here. Both sides of the community drive the game forward, the more teams and “pro gamers” (to use your epithet) who enjoy it the more successful it is, and vice versa.

(Rahdo) #83

We’re like the republicans, we’ve got a big tent. Oh wait, that’s not good…

(Dashiva) #84

Ugh, yeah. Also, to make you all hate me even more, I want a Linux client. Not being able to play Wolfenstein in Linux (played RtCW, ET and QW in it) really sucked. The Linux community is really hurting for games right now (also, it’s bigger than the Mac OS community).

(tokamak) #85

They already mentioned to be working on Linux support.

(.Chris.) #86

[QUOTE=Joe999;197145]no, this isn’t a game on a pentium 3, it’s quake wars …

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Yeah nice beta shot before they added in limits prevent this from happening…

(Joe999) #87

you’ve been in the scene long enough to get my point, no matter what’s allowed in whatever league :slight_smile:

(aimology) #88

Crank 2 is complete crap. Reminds me of wolfenstein. Abunch of retards got together had a solid idea and game plan. Then some where between smoking the pipe and snorting some lines they skipped the middle of the story… hopped all around and then go tired and said… " lets just end it " Its terrible. Go see inglorious bastards.

(aimology) #89

[QUOTE=Joe999;197139]that’s a difficult task. i show you some differences:

pub players like eye candy and want to bring the best out of the new gfx card. comp player like it when the game looks like literal shit and tweak the gfx down to the lowest possible settings. all that counts is seeing the target. eg in wolf:et when the tank got damaged, there was black smoke coming up through which you couldn’t see. unfortunately you could tweak that away. so guess how people wondered when they got hit when they were hiding behind the smoke or didn’t see the firing enemy which was right in front of them.

in general comp players use every unfair advantage which they can get (and call it legal and hence “fair”). in wolf:et there was the feature of instant prone. so when you aimed at the head and pulled the trigger, the opponent pressed a key and was instantly on the ground firing at you while you of course missed him.

and then there’s the “strategic” factor of /kill. when you shoot at an enemy, see that you win and all of a sudden he /kills himself, it takes the fun out of the game.

stuff like that can be fixed by mods, but it takes the fun out of the game when it’s in the initial version. then people wander off to other games.[/QUOTE]

You also mention stupid shit. We dont care if the game is pushing the hardest graphics, but we also dont want “shit” graphics.

I ran team fotress 2 and Call of duty 4 at max settings and got great FPS for the game. Its that to be able to “compete” vs other good players, some people dont have the money to buy nice enough computers to get all the “eye candy” without lower the graphics, which then makes the game more playable “stable or smooth per say”, so they can compete. You always compare w:et… I have never played that you /kill other then ET / RTCW, so honestly thats not even a factor in 98 percent of the games out there. Have you played any games at a high level? Do you have the “experience” lets say to even have an opinion on what a competitive game vs a casual game needs? I’ve done both for 12 years, what about you? Teams? Games? Years playing on the computer only online in competition? To me experience counts. Thanks :stroggbanana:

(slaG) #90

Aim,

I would like to hear from your girlfriend on this matter. She diffidently has the most experience of anyone here.

(aimology) #91

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;197170]Ok constructive feedback…

A perfect example of this is the QL netcode, i’ve been playing that for almost 18 months now and it’s something that is severely lacking. I’ve submitted demos of point blank hits not registering, and balatant misses killing people. I know this is something being looked at carefully by SD going by the discussions on IRC so I have no doubt about this one.

Quakelive netcode is messed up, I agree

I’ve always been a movement based player, been on defrag for Q3 for many years, tricked in many games at high level RTCW, W:ET, ET:QW, CoD series until they deemed that unfit to move faster than a slight trip over a rock. Going by the footage that was leaked, the movement is a decent pace. The demos shown were with the slim body model which kinda skews the perspective a little… basically you can’t have it all. If you want the big guns then you’ll be a bit slower, if you want to fast then the weapons won’t pack as much of a a punch. Being the ETQW engine i’m sure the scope for movement and pace will still be there.

Iron sight is ok, quakewars was ok with the feature, but the game was horrible

It has already been clarified that there will be no vehicles in many interviews, threads and discussions.

you obviously dont know how to read, because if you did you would of saw in the Q and A ( I think ) they said there are vehicles with ANTI vehicle weapons of some statue. I dont know exactly word for word, but it was something like that. I think its just not vehicle “heavy”

That I agree on, not a huge selling point but has many many benefits.

Wrong, It is a huge selling point. People watch live matchs like they did for cevo with TF2 finals and COD 2 finals and lans, then they go out and purchase the game. People will be scared to buy brink at first, but if they have demos from spectator views and POV from spectators shoutcasting matchs, well guess what thats card… MARKETING … Take some business classes you will learn this.

I’ve already mentioned the possible effects perks and upgrades will have on comp play, you’ll have 1 clan with full perks playing against others that purely do strat play and never venture to pubs, which will imbalance the game. I alreadu suggested a stripped down version in IRC chat… where 90% of my game discussion takes place. Can’t see i agree with the attitude towards SD though, this is their game and they make it how they want, if you want say on how they make their game, then i suggest buying a few shares :slight_smile:

Thats pretty funny to hear, because this will be modded by someone just like COD and WOLFENSTEIN so honestly I dont care either way, it will be fixed by the community if not by then with an ( option to disable )

I’d personally like to apologise to the gaming world for being solely responsible for game developers making bad games. I don’t know what to say, i didn’t mean it… i just like pink guns with fairies on them :frowning:

Dont apologize for your intelligence

I’ll keep it respectable aim, but tbh your attitude stinks. Your feedback is sound but you openess to criticism is severely lacking, and you need to realise that comp players make up a very minute number of the gaming population… that alone should be an indication that comp play isn’t the 1st thing on developers minds when they come to make a new game.[/QUOTE]

I admit, sometimes my attitude does suck, but leave competition things to competition gamers please :), Im also aware that competitive gamers are smaller then pubbers, but our word of mouth sells titles as well. It spreads with live feeds and irc and gaming sites like esreality and gotfrag.

By the way you and madness are way off, if either of you could READ you would of seen, I didnt play quakewars that long ( hated it ) I did not buy wolfenstein ( beta was crap ) and friends purchased it said same thing and Im active on those forums / was with SOKAL on whats going on… If you read you would have seen the last 2 games I played competitively where TEAM FORTRESS 2 and CALL OF DUTY 4 ( cause cod 5 was a best )

I did not wait on wolfenstein and dont / didnt care about quakewars. I always have COD to fall back on, because it always has a community and it gets modded for competition. Yet, I would like to see a new game arise and be good for a new strong community. Thanks for trying, but you’re way off. Read more, speak less.

(aimology) #92

[QUOTE=slaG;197239]Aim,

I would like to hear from your girlfriend on this matter. She diffidently has the most experience of anyone here.[/QUOTE]

I love you george, long day at the amusement parks, hitting the bed with your mom. :stroggtapir:

(aimology) #93

[QUOTE=Dashiva;197195]This is exactly what I’m talking about when I write about backhanded comments. You don’t even know me, and yet you stereotype me into some mold. Apparently your opinion is the only one that is valid.

I’m not asking for the devs to change the game, merely for the tools to control it. There seems to be a serious dearth of understanding around here. Both sides of the community drive the game forward, the more teams and “pro gamers” (to use your epithet) who enjoy it the more successful it is, and vice versa.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense to me. Valid point

(aimology) #94

[QUOTE=Bezzy;197156]I actually have to say, not to discredit any of the artists in any way, but I think that there is definite beauty to low-fi flat shaded, basically abstract games. It can be as much a legitimate art direction as “gritty realism” is, and also removed a layer of noise between the game mechanics and the graphics.

I’m not saying one is better than the other. I’m not saying that ETQW’s low-fi hacked down graphics were the intent of the artists. I’m just saying that they CAN be, and they can still be beautiful.

I’m biased, though: This is the first game I never finished, and I still get compliments on the graphical style (if not the gameplay… since I’m too embarassed to let anyone try it).

[edit] Though I should say that as soon as intentionally view obfuscating graphical effects such as tall grass, foliage lighting etc. appear in the game, there sort of DO need to be lines drawn on what can and can’t be turned off. Turning off foliage makes anyone who tries to use that to hide behind look a bit of a prat if it’s turned off for anyone else. In those cases where the “designed signal” is altered enough to upset the balance of the game, rather than simply clarified (i.e. there’s no gameplay difference if your textures settings are a bit lower… unless it’s on foliage/transparencies), you can justifyably bring design/sportsmanship concerns to the debate.[/QUOTE]

I agree fully. good points… Perfect statement

(aimology) #95

You have to be an idiot, not to see all the games I mentioned I played. What would even give that SLIGHTEST idea, to agree to his comment? I suggest you read before speaking, because I listed every game Ive played. I havent banked on a game to be good in 4 years ( and of all games wolf and qw? LOL ). Im just hoping a company will step up and “de-throne” call of duty as the game to play, other then CS 1.6 as far as FPS are concerned. Its always the biggest community / game out there ( next to 1.6 and as far as new release, even tho cod 5 sucked, cod 4 was still huge, look at all the lan events and for you nerds, the “public players… LOTS” ) . I would like someone to step up to the plate and take them down.

I didnt care about quakewars or wolfenstein what so ever. I play anything that has competition and has a solid league backing it up. Atleast for a season. ( Game has to be new, I dont fall back into old games, thats boring. )

:stroggbanana:

Anyways Im done arguing with people who dont know what they are speaking about. They dont think out of the box. Their field of view is stuck on 20 and cant see around corners far enough to come up with clever idea’s. I mostly see basic and useless stuff. I’ll give idea’s and what not when a beta is released. Im banking on a private invite from my friends at SD

Good night and God bless

(aimology) #96

By the way, Let us know on some more actual GAMEPLAY stuff, so we can see whats going on and give “constructive feedback” thanks… Have a Lovely day.

(Joe999) #97

i suggest getting a job instead of playing computer games if you can’t afford a decent pc. consoles are a cheap alternative too

(aimology) #98

People have bills and responsibility and some times cant. Some people are married. Go to college or school + work and game. I make alot of money, I have stock in a bar / nightclub where Im from. Im on a 3 months vacation ( yes 3 month vacation how many people you know that can do that ? ) in Florida, visiting my girl… I probably made more money in the first 4 years there, then you will make in a life time. Gaming is a hobby I enjoy along with lifting weights and riding jet ski’s. ( all this is irrelevant like what you stated above. ) because as I noted, some people have finical problems.

school
young cant afford it
bills
children

my rig
6600@3.2ghz
xfx 780i 3way sli
2x xfx 9800gtx in sli
4gigs of ocz sli ram ddr2@ 800mhz
corsair 1000wat psu
thermaltake big water cpu cooler
antec 1200 case

you?
:rolleyes:

Pretty sure you just post for the sake of posting. Its like, omg someone disagreed think Im gonna say something now!!! You and the other two guys obviously read whats said, but read it so fast you cant comprehend it. Slow down and take your time next time before posting… Im heading to bed seriously, now so Im done arguing and I know that the SD dont want to see it anymore, but before any of you post again do us all a favor and either

  1. stick to what you guys know best ( basic game stuff like the pretty colors and cute features ( we wont bother you there )

  2. let us "competitive gamers, give our input with out your useless gabber, which started this entire thread in the first place ( we wont bother you about your pretty colors and customs you want in the game

  3. hope, no… PRAY that the SD team message me, call me, come to my house with their entire development team and ASK for all the knowledge I have about gaming and this will be an success. I mean I understand my attitude can be kinda rough, sorry thats how I am. I have a short fuse some times when people are “stuck” in stupid * comment is :slight_smile: with a smile I must add * but reality is. Im pretty damn amazing and so are some of these other guys, well not at gaming, I mean dashiva is awful, but he makes valid and true points, so cant knock him for being intelligent. I’ll knock him on a server instead.

I think we can all agree on one thing. We all obviously want this game to be a success, I just think some people ( Like myself ) have more of a passion for gaming, so who cares? Let us get our theories and points across and we wont bother with yours. Thanks for your time I hope you all have a wonderful night.

bye

(Joe999) #99

me? i’m too old to think that i have to justify myself to another person :slight_smile:

(Nail) #100

gee, with all that money and an ego that large, I would have thought you’d have a decent game rig, I was mistaken

:tongue:

“hope, no… PRAY that the SD team message me, call me, come to my house with their entire development team and ASK for all the knowledge I have about gaming and this will be an success”

yeah, they’re sure to do that