Remove his smgs and give Phantom a Tactical Crossbow instead?

(stoutSoup) #1

Modern Crossbows are still used in military today for completely taking someone out quietly as no gun is ever 100% silent compared to a arrow?

It would be highly accurate but best to use it in conjunction with his Refractive armor from behind since it reloads after each shot.

IDEA 1: Shock Arrows Inspired from Splinter Cell tactical bows, it could be non lethal but shock the enemy for like 2 seconds . Allowing you to cut the distance and slash them down or pistol them? What do you think?

IDEA 2: EMP Arrows

Phantom can shoot an EMP arrow at turrets, health stations and generators, instantly shutting them down from a good time.

IDEA 3: Tear Gas Arrows; Works like a combination of smoke and Molotovs

Doesn’t do as much damage as molotovs and is much more transparent than smoke grenades but anybody who runs through it will have their vision blurred for a few seconds even out of it.

(Sorotia) #2

I don’t know…if they do a bow/crossbow it should be another weapon…a 2 second stun is pretty much a guaranteed kill for a good Phantom.

(TheOrangePhantome) #3

Well i think he should still keep his smgs but maybe he should have other loudouts with the crossbow or maybe this could for a new merc.

(gg2ez) #4

Nah m8, top KEK.

(cornJester) #5

Definitely not. If you want a crossbow merc then suggest a new one. This would make Phantom even worse. So he should have a one shot primary to pop out of cloak and kill one person with? One shotting people with the katana frustrated many. Besides that this would make him far worse in straight up fights.

I like the EMP idea though. That’s a good one and EMP nades would be incredibly interesting on him and make him more team oriented.

(stoutSoup) #6

[quote=“cornJester;86718”]Definitely not. If you want a crossbow merc then suggest a new one. This would make Phantom even worse. So he should have a one shot primary to pop out of cloak and kill one person with? One shotting people with the katana frustrated many. Besides that this would make him far worse in straight up fights.

I like the EMP idea though. That’s a good one and EMP nades would be incredibly interesting on him and make him more team oriented. [/quote]
He’s a recon with stealth, he’s not meant to get in straight up fights. Might as well move him to assault class.

And I doubt he could get any worse, he’s already rock bottom

(gg2ez) #7

[quote=“stoutSoup;86721”][quote=“cornJester;86718”]Definitely not. If you want a crossbow merc then suggest a new one. This would make Phantom even worse. So he should have a one shot primary to pop out of cloak and kill one person with? One shotting people with the katana frustrated many. Besides that this would make him far worse in straight up fights.

I like the EMP idea though. That’s a good one and EMP nades would be incredibly interesting on him and make him more team oriented. [/quote]
He’s a recon with stealth, he’s not meant to get in straight up fights. Might as well move him to assault class.

And I doubt he could get any worse, he’s already rock bottom
[/quote]

Are you kidding? The devs said that he won’t ever get any secondary ability because his job is killing people, to kill you’ve gotta get into fights. This makes him less of a Recon with stealth and more of an assault with stealth.

Yes. Phantom could get worse - by giving him a crossbow.

(XavienX) #8

Might as well make a new merc if they are adding a crossbow…

(stoutSoup) #9

[quote=“gg2ez;86729”][quote=“stoutSoup;86721”][quote=“cornJester;86718”]Definitely not. If you want a crossbow merc then suggest a new one. This would make Phantom even worse. So he should have a one shot primary to pop out of cloak and kill one person with? One shotting people with the katana frustrated many. Besides that this would make him far worse in straight up fights.

I like the EMP idea though. That’s a good one and EMP nades would be incredibly interesting on him and make him more team oriented. [/quote]
He’s a recon with stealth, he’s not meant to get in straight up fights. Might as well move him to assault class.

And I doubt he could get any worse, he’s already rock bottom
[/quote]

Are you kidding? The devs said that he won’t ever get any secondary ability because his job is killing people, to kill you’ve gotta get into fights. This makes him less of a Recon with stealth and more of an assault with stealth.

Yes. Phantom could get worse - by giving him a crossbow. [/quote]

Thank you for proving my point, he should be moved to assault class because as a recon he’s useless.

And nah, giving him a crossbow could open a world of opportunity and give him utility on the battlefield.

But by all means lets keep him as a mediocre killer with a half assed cloak that no one uses in competitive (For a bloody good reason). I mean its not like there’s Fragger and just about everyone else that can do his job a lot better.

(gg2ez) #10

[quote=“stoutSoup;86756”][quote=“gg2ez;86729”][quote=“stoutSoup;86721”][quote=“cornJester;86718”]Definitely not. If you want a crossbow merc then suggest a new one. This would make Phantom even worse. So he should have a one shot primary to pop out of cloak and kill one person with? One shotting people with the katana frustrated many. Besides that this would make him far worse in straight up fights.

I like the EMP idea though. That’s a good one and EMP nades would be incredibly interesting on him and make him more team oriented. [/quote]
He’s a recon with stealth, he’s not meant to get in straight up fights. Might as well move him to assault class.

And I doubt he could get any worse, he’s already rock bottom
[/quote]

Are you kidding? The devs said that he won’t ever get any secondary ability because his job is killing people, to kill you’ve gotta get into fights. This makes him less of a Recon with stealth and more of an assault with stealth.

Yes. Phantom could get worse - by giving him a crossbow. [/quote]

Thank you for proving my point, he should be moved to assault class because as a recon he’s useless.

And nah, giving him a crossbow could open a world of opportunity and give him utility on the battlefield.

But by all means lets keep him as a mediocre killer with a half assed cloak that no one uses in competitive (For a bloody good reason). I mean its not like there’s Fragger and just about everyone else that can do his job a lot better. [/quote]

How is giving him a crossbow going to “open up a world of opportunities”? I’d rather Phantom be able to lay 10 rounds of lead into his enemies than shoot a steel rod up their asses and I’m sure 99% of the player base would rather that too. How would it give him any more utility than a KEK? Are you sure about mediocre killer? He has TOP KEK (better than a d*ldo launcher) and his melee does 60 damage on quick and 90 damage on heavy. His cloak isn’t all that special but it does a mighty fine job of tanking damage whilst I run up to an enemy and 2 hit them.

Right… Mediocre killer. Credit: @Amerika

(DMaster2) #11

[quote=“stoutSoup;18128”]IDEA 1: Shock Arrows Inspired from Splinter Cell tactical bows, it could be non lethal but shock the enemy for like 2 seconds . Allowing you to cut the distance and slash them down or pistol them? What do you think?
[/quote]
So your idea is to render people helpless so they can get slashed to death without any chance to react? What a great idea. If you want people to leave the game that’s exactly what we need.

(stoutSoup) #12

Right… Mediocre killer. Credit: @Amerika

Pub play? Are you for real? Thats like gloating you beat a 6 year old kid in basketball and now assume you’re a good basketball player. Show me a phantom in a tournament and I’ll retract.

“So your idea is to render people helpless so they can get slashed to death without any chance to react? What a great idea. If you want people to leave the game that’s exactly what we need.”

1: People are already leaving the game for much major reasons like lack of content.

2: In a fast moving game it’s a much harder thing to do than it seems, giving phantom the perfet high risk high reward.

(neverplayseriou) #13

If it’s one of those fully auto crossbows lol

(gg2ez) #14

[quote=“stoutSoup;86882”]

Right… Mediocre killer. Credit: @Amerika

Pub play? Are you for real? Thats like gloating you beat a 6 year old kid in basketball and now assume you’re a good basketball player. Show me a phantom in a tournament and I’ll retract [/quote]

@Amerika woah, he’s talking sh*t about you. It’s 1v1 time, I’ll get the Mtn Dew.

@stoutSoup as if you could beat a 6yr old in basketball. You know what, I’ve got a mate on Steam, he plays Phantom competitively, if I can I’ll get him to educate you, seriously, dude is a demon. Last week he got a competitive K/D of 92/17 as Phantom the entire match. Mediocre killer my a*s.

[quote=“stoutSoup;86882”]

“So your idea is to render people helpless so they can get slashed to death without any chance to react? What a great idea. If you want people to leave the game that’s exactly what we need.”

1: People are already leaving the game for much major reasons like lack of content.

2: In a fast moving game it’s a much harder thing to do than it seems, giving phantom the perfet high risk high reward.

1: Lack of content can be fixed. A Phantom with a crossbow cannot be fixed. There is no merc in the game that doesn’t use a gun as a primary, don’t expect it to change.

2: You’re making it sound harder than it is. It’s simple: one bolt from close range and you’re set for the kill. It doesn’t give Phantom high risk-high reward just because it guarantees a single kill, in fact - it’s not even high risk.

The crossbow idea is fine, just not for Phantom or as a primary. Perhaps you should’ve retracted earlier, you know, before everyone disagreed with you. If you want, submit a crossbow merc in the “Suggestions” page, I’m sure the idea would be more than accepted over there.

(Amerika) #15

It’s fine by me. It is just a pub video and it’s purpose is to show off how you can play Phantom in a pub and excel…which to the chagrin of the melee only crowd who want to insist that he’s terrible.

He is weak in competitive play and always has been which is why I’ve been going along with many others in trying to get him more utility as a spotter like the other recons or add an EMP ability.

I don’t agree with giving him a crossbow though. That seems very weird as the crossbow itself doesn’t solve his comp use issues but the other additions mentioned add utility, that has been discussed a lot here, does fix his issues.

Keep the kek/crotzni but add utility and he’d suddenly become a viable option in competitive play. Save the crossbow or a bow for a whole new merc (which has been discussed in another thread with almost the exact same abilities listed by the OP).

(LifeupOmega) #16

Cheap. Taking away control of the other player, on top of allowing no counter-play, is pretty bad design.

[quote=“stoutSoup;18128”]IDEA 2: EMP Arrows

Phantom can shoot an EMP arrow at turrets, health stations and generators, instantly shutting them down from a good time.[/quote]

EMPs have been bounced around a ton for his abilities, might work.

[quote=“stoutSoup;18128”]DEA 3: Tear Gas Arrows; Works like a combination of smoke and Molotovs

Doesn’t do as much damage as molotovs and is much more transparent than smoke grenades but anybody who runs through it will have their vision blurred for a few seconds even out of it.[/quote]

Honestly encroaches way too much on Stoker and Redeye, as cool as it sounds.

(triteCherry) #17

Sounds like concussion grenades.

(Grave_Knight) #18

In a world where personal sized railguns are a thing wouldn’t a crossbow be completely obsolete? Anything you can fire out of a crossbow you can fire with a railgun, assuming you shield it (electronics and super magnets don’t mix). That being said, I would love to see a merc with gimmick ammo. Not Phantom, mind you.

Do think he needs some sort of spotter power. Even if it is just marking a location with enemies.

(TheOrangePhantome) #19

Well @Grave_Knight sadly he’ll never get a secondary ability as it was confirmed by @Faraleth on his latest stream round up.

(Grave_Knight) #20

I know, I was there, I’m the one that asked the question.