Regarding the SMG 9, a small change

(watsyurdeal) #1

Purely imo, but I think we could nerf the RoF to 100 ms from 97 ms, and increase the damage to 13 from 12.

This would only change SO much with the gun, 26 damage on headshot from 24 means you’ll kill certain mercs in one less shot than the Crotzni, and the slower RoF would mean the gun wouldn’t bloom as fast and maintains good accuracy while spraying.

To compare damage, here

24 48 72 96 120 144 168
26 52 78 104 130 156 182

So you get a slower dps with the SMG 9, but you get more damage per shot. I’d calculate DPS but I’m not sure how you folks get your numbers to be honest. :\

(SaulWolfden) #2

It really should be more unique than it is, I’ve just always found it one of the most underwhelming automatic weapons in the game, it kind of just feels like a weaker version of other SMGs.

(sonsofaugust5) #3

Feels like a hochfir with less bullets…

(CCP115) #4

It’s very precise, but at long ranges why don’t you just use the Blishlok, and at short ranges use the Crotzni.

As for the damage increase that Watsyurdeal said, I quite like that. Problem is, what’s the Crotzni’s damage? We don’t want to make the SMG9 quite as hard hitting do we?

(watsyurdeal) #5

[quote=“CCP115;117446”]It’s very precise, but at long ranges why don’t you just use the Blishlok, and at short ranges use the Crotzni.

As for the damage increase that Watsyurdeal said, I quite like that. Problem is, what’s the Crotzni’s damage? We don’t want to make the SMG9 quite as hard hitting do we?[/quote]

The SMG 9 currently does 12, like the Crotzni, that was my point.

With the damage buffed to 13, it will kill Phoneix, Vasilli, and Fragger in less shot, but the Crotzni still kills faster due to the faster RoF.

(omegaskorpion) #6

i once suggested that the Crotzni should have 13 damage and slower fire rate and the SMG-9 should have the 650 rof.

That way they would be both better and make sense. (it would not make sense if a rifle caliber shooting gun would deal less damage than pistol caliber shooting gun)

(WaffleMonster) #7

I don’t understand why the smg9 needs to be changed, it’s in a great place atm. The crotzni on the other hand is in a bad state, it is just too rng to be useful outside point blank.

(Haki) #8

so it kinda turns into the blishlok? low DPS high damage per bullet?

I like this change but I’m sure other people wouldn’t

(WaffleMonster) #9

why fix something that isn’t broken?

(Grave_Knight) #10

To calculate DPS you need to times RPM with damage per round and divide by 60. However since we don’t have the RPM with your suggestion the calculation is just: “13 * 1 / .1” which comes out as 130 DPS. Just so you know changing bullet delay to 100ms drops the RPM down to 600 (calculated with “60 / .1”). The current DPS for the SMG-9 is 124 (620 RPM) though I’m not certain what the actual bullet delay is (somewhere around 96ms).

(CCP115) #11

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;117458”][quote=“CCP115;117446”]It’s very precise, but at long ranges why don’t you just use the Blishlok, and at short ranges use the Crotzni.

As for the damage increase that Watsyurdeal said, I quite like that. Problem is, what’s the Crotzni’s damage? We don’t want to make the SMG9 quite as hard hitting do we?[/quote]

The SMG 9 currently does 12, like the Crotzni, that was my point.

With the damage buffed to 13, it will kill Phoneix, Vasilli, and Fragger in less shot, but the Crotzni still kills faster due to the faster RoF.
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Now I can get down with that. Maybe nerf the RoF a bit more, and also increase accuracy a bit more. I like this idea, makes the SMG9 sound like the best SMG around.

(Eox) #12

Can you give me the ROF in bullets per minutes or bullets per seconds ?

(Grave_Knight) #13

The RPM with the suggested change is 600. The calculation to find that is “60 / .1” or if you want to do it with milliseconds it would be “60000 / 100” as there are 60000 milliseconds in a minute (obviously the first way is better, it gets rid of all the unnecessary 0s).

(Eox) #14

The RPM with the suggested change is 600. The calculation to find that is “60 / .1” or if you want to do it with milliseconds it would be “60000 / 100” as there are 60000 milliseconds in a minute (obviously the first way is better, it gets rid of all the unnecessary 0s).[/quote]

It looks like there’s an issue with the calculation then. It gives SMG-9 the same DPS than Crotzni (130). Maybe it’s supposed to be lower than 600 ?

To make that change work without giving an undeserved buff to the SMG-9, RPM should be around 575 from what I calculated. 13 * (575/60) = 124.583333333, which is what the classic SMG-9 DPS is.

(Grave_Knight) #15

@Eox Well, pretty close to it. Yours would round to 125. Honestly, I’m not sure this “buff” is really even necessary. I’m already thinking about switching for to the SMG-9 with Saw (he has a loadout with better perks than the one I’m using). I’m also hoping Aimee gets an SMG-9 loadout (or three), but that’s mostly wishful thinking.

(WaffleMonster) #16

This thread makes no sense to me, the smg 9 is great and is mostly used in comp over the crotzni.

(Captain_Forward) #17

Why do you need to buff SMG-9 if it already have an upper hand over Crotzni? There’s no point, I’d be glad to see slight buff to Crotzni instead.

(omegaskorpion) #18

Only thing i want to see is diversity, currently Timik and M4 / Crotzni and SMG-9 are too similar and i would like to see some bigger differences between them other than just fire rate and accuracy.

(Tanker_Ray) #19

This is so damn right.

Crotzni out performs reload speed, RPM, DPS than SMG-9, except SMG-9 has the same 12 damage and bit stable recoil than Crotzni.

Hey, this is my idea, but what about modify its recoil to be placed right in between Kek and Crotzni’s recoil, and making its mag to 45 rounds like Kek-10?

Also, I have to say this to you all there is one more reason that SMG-9 doesn’t show up often and it is because except Sawbonez, I found out every mercs who have access to SMG-9’s loadout, their options aren’t very good as the other loadouts.

This is definitely not the gun’s problem, but simply Nader’s SMG-9 loadouts are just so so and especially Bushwhacker’s SMG-9 loadout is very horrible!! I mean, even Sawbonez use Crotzni over SMG-9 a lot of times, so literally there is very few people using SMG-9, may be they are using the gun just for private satisfaction I think.

(watsyurdeal) #20

Actually…I use SMG 9 for everyone I can, I just feel like the SMG 9 is too similar to the Crotzni, and there needs to be more to distinguish the two.

Same thing with the Timik and M4