Redeye's eye should emit a red light while using IR goggles

frostyvampire · 2016-10-01 15:03:36 UTC

Bushwhacker’s turret has a highly visible red light (blue for teammates) coming out of the turret so you can see it through smokes and tell where it is pointing at

I think that Redeye should have the same thing except he will only create the red light while he has the IR goggles enabled (it can be blue to teammates or not visible to them at all)
It will make you (the player who plays against Redeye) able to tell exactly where he is inside the smoke and shoot him in the face. If he can see you, you can see his head location.

If you are Redeye and want to be real sneaky, you will have to disable your IR goggles or turn around so the enemy can’t see your eye (but it doesn’t make much sense because you can’t shoot them back lol)

If this happens, you can buff his smoke a bit so it also hides HUD elements which include:
Arrows above teammates’ heads
Names and health above enemies’ heads
Heart icons above downed teammates
And all that kind of stuff (pretty much every hud element except objective location and spotted status)

GatoCommodore · 2016-10-01 16:01:28 UTC

[quote=“FrostyVampire;32663”]Bushwhacker’s turret has a highly visible red light (blue for teammates) coming out of the turret so you can see it through smokes and tell where it is pointing at

I think that Redeye should have the same thing except he will only create the red light while he has the IR goggles enabled (it can be blue to teammates or not visible to them at all)
It will make you (the player who plays against Redeye) able to tell exactly where he is inside the smoke and shoot him in the face. If he can see you, you can see his head location.

If you are Redeye and want to be real sneaky, you will have to disable your IR goggles or turn around so the enemy can’t see your eye (but it doesn’t make much sense because you can’t shoot them back lol)

If this happens, you can buff his smoke a bit so it also hides HUD elements which include:
Arrows above teammates’ heads
Names and health above enemies’ heads
Heart icons above downed teammates
And all that kind of stuff (pretty much every hud element except objective location and spotted status)[/quote]

Beating the purpose of having a smoke

sure

Herr_Hanz · 2016-10-01 16:25:05 UTC

it already does that. but its only noticable from close up, and while not in smoke.

bad idea to make it visible in smoke.

Dawnlazy · 2016-10-01 16:41:25 UTC

[quote=“sweetColumn;206672”]

Beating the purpose of having a smoke[/quote]

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;206674”]
bad idea to make it visible in smoke.[/quote]

The fact that he can just sit inside/behind smoke and snipe people while being uncounterable unless you have a Redeye of your own makes him an extremely frustrating and flat out broken merc at times. Smoke would still have plenty of use like denying crossfires to the enemy by blocking the people on one side from viewing your team etc.

frostyvampire · 2016-10-01 16:55:36 UTC

@Herr_Hanz
It’s almost impossible to notice it unless you actually try to look for it from a very close range. It’s so hard to see it that it doesn’t even count

@sweetColumn
It’s not beating the purpose of a smoke.

Redeye will still spot targets for his team
Redeye can still see more than his enemies can (seeing the location of his head vs seeing the entire body of all enemies clearly without problem)
You can still use the smoke for ninja plants/defuses/repairs/deliveries
Simply turning around or turning off the goggles will make you invisible while your enemies will remain spotted
You can still use smokes to pass by the enemies (like smoking off the bus area on Chapel and push the delivery zone) and to block out entries (like the main entry to the first bombsite on Underground)

I can find a lot more reasons to why it doesn’t beat the purpose of a smoke.
Smokes are made for assisting your team, not for you throwing them in your teammates’ faces and getting cheap kills (which is what almost every Redeye player I see does)

Herr_Hanz · 2016-10-01 17:27:58 UTC

@FrostyVampire @Dawnrazor
redeye in smoke is counterable, you can see the bullets come out of the smoke, you can spray the smoke, if im sniper i throw a HB near the smoke to spot the redeye. if you are close the smoke you can run into it, and see his siluete, so you can shoot him. sure he is annoying, but he isnt broken.

the fact that he can see the whole body of someone does not counter that we can see his head while in the smoke. seeing even the location of redeye’s head is enough to get him killed, and even defeats the purpose of the smoke.

smoke’s main purpose is to block the enemy’s vision so that redeye can kill them. either by throwing the smoke on yourself, and shooting from the smoke. or throwing the smoke at an enemy strongpoint.

if you are frustrated that you get killed by a redeye while he is in the smoke, just do what the video says and get out of sight. or try to kill him by any means. the decision is yours.

frostyvampire · 2016-10-01 18:25:17 UTC

@Herr_Hanz
I never said he is hard to kill. I often just spray the smoke until I see his health above his head (which shouldn’t be a thing) and then kill him

I just don’t think it’s fair that you can’t see him but he can clearly see you and remain hidden after shooting (unlike Phantom which loses his cloak when attacking and being very visible while moving).
Running away shouldn’t be the best counter to him. You can say the same at everything: don’t push and Proxy mines won’t get you, camp in spawn and you won’t die, run away from Phantom so he can’t melee you.

The smoke’s job is NOT to give him kills. If you throw smokes in your teammates’ faces and go for kills you are not doing it right
Smoke’s job is to assist your team in pushes/defenses and with Redeye’s IRG he can spot the enemies and let your entire team know where the enemies are.
Your enemies will see you for 3-4 seconds, then they get spotted and you turn off your goggles. They are visible, your team is not. Ez

GatoCommodore · 2016-10-01 18:55:04 UTC

“The smoke’s job is NOT to give him kills.”

Suuuureeee…

keep telling yourself that man…

btw remember why shoe said PDP was Too Overpowered when wielded by red eye?
i wonder why…

Herr_Hanz · 2016-10-01 19:04:54 UTC

[quote=“FrostyVampire;206684”]@Herr_Hanz
I never said he is hard to kill. I often just spray the smoke until I see his health above his head (which shouldn’t be a thing) and then kill him

I just don’t think it’s fair that you can’t see him but he can clearly see you and remain hidden after shooting (unlike Phantom which loses his cloak when attacking and being very visible while moving).
Running away shouldn’t be the best counter to him. You can say the same at everything: don’t push and Proxy mines won’t get you, camp in spawn and you won’t die, run away from Phantom so he can’t melee you.

The smoke’s job is NOT to give him kills. If you throw smokes in your teammates’ faces and go for kills you are not doing it right
Smoke’s job is to assist your team in pushes/defenses and with Redeye’s IRG he can spot the enemies and let your entire team know where the enemies are.
Your enemies will see you for 3-4 seconds, then they get spotted and you turn off your goggles. They are visible, your team is not. Ez
[/quote]

smoke has dual purpose, kill, and support. support by throwing at objectives. kill, by throwing it at enemys and kill them while theyre in the smoke.

if someone is blocking teammates with smoke he is not a good redeye.

JJMAJR · 2016-10-01 19:18:46 UTC

Redeye is actually one of the least competitive mercs at the moment, and is only saved by the fact that he has 120 HP. Please don’t destroy him even more with this terrible idea.

Dawnlazy · 2016-10-01 19:25:19 UTC

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;206682”]@FrostyVampire @Dawnrazor
redeye in smoke is counterable, you can see the bullets come out of the smoke, you can spray the smoke
[/quote]

Pretty pointless when you’re just gonna start blindly spraying it and 100% guaranteed die from PDP fire. The fact is that if you try to peek at the smoke even just to throw explosives on it or to call down artillery or whatever, you’re gonna become exposed which will very likely result in death without even scraping the Redeye and it’s why playing vs people who are really good with him like Zuppehw can be absolute cancer. In my view it’s simply stupid how he can deny huge areas of the map while making it impossible to fight back unless you have a Redeye on your team who can out-PDP the enemy.

neverplayseriou · 2016-10-01 23:52:43 UTC

you can easily see redeye his eyes in the smoke.

JJMAJR · 2016-10-02 01:12:19 UTC

Oh well, that’s just- that’s just f-in…

Tell me if this joke gotten stale.

GatoCommodore · 2016-10-02 03:06:07 UTC

gseijn · 2016-10-04 00:52:56 UTC

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;206682”]@FrostyVampire @Dawnrazor
redeye in smoke is counterable, you can see the bullets come out of the smoke, you can spray the smoke, if im sniper i throw a HB near the smoke to spot the redeye. if you are close the smoke you can run into it, and see his siluete, so you can shoot him. sure he is annoying, but he isnt broken.

the fact that he can see the whole body of someone does not counter that we can see his head while in the smoke. seeing even the location of redeye’s head is enough to get him killed, and even defeats the purpose of the smoke.

smoke’s main purpose is to block the enemy’s vision so that redeye can kill them. either by throwing the smoke on yourself, and shooting from the smoke. or throwing the smoke at an enemy strongpoint.

if you are frustrated that you get killed by a redeye while he is in the smoke, just do what the video says and get out of sight. or try to kill him by any means. the decision is yours.

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Couldn’t have said it any better. Sigh…I pray that they bring the grandeur’s rof back to normal.

Dawnlazy · 2016-10-04 03:00:14 UTC

[quote=“gseijn;206913”][quote=“Herr_Hanz;206682”]@FrostyVampire @Dawnrazor
redeye in smoke is counterable, you can see the bullets come out of the smoke, you can spray the smoke, if im sniper i throw a HB near the smoke to spot the redeye. if you are close the smoke you can run into it, and see his siluete, so you can shoot him. sure he is annoying, but he isnt broken.

the fact that he can see the whole body of someone does not counter that we can see his head while in the smoke. seeing even the location of redeye’s head is enough to get him killed, and even defeats the purpose of the smoke.

smoke’s main purpose is to block the enemy’s vision so that redeye can kill them. either by throwing the smoke on yourself, and shooting from the smoke. or throwing the smoke at an enemy strongpoint.

if you are frustrated that you get killed by a redeye while he is in the smoke, just do what the video says and get out of sight. or try to kill him by any means. the decision is yours.

[/quote]

Couldn’t have said it any better. Sigh…I pray that they bring the grandeur’s rof back to normal.[/quote]

I kinda like the new grandeur, anal sights aside. You can shoot a lot from the hip with decent accuracy.

BananaSlug · 2016-10-04 06:33:47 UTC

if you see smoke and you get spotted just hide, if you cant run, well… you cant always win

frostyvampire · 2016-10-04 06:41:10 UTC

@BananaSlug
I do it if he starts firing at me. But it’s kinda dumb that there is no actual way to know where Redeye is without taking a high risk. You shouldn’t have to hide for 10 seconds in an 1v1 fight where you have full health.
Sometimes it’s even 3v1 and it’s even more stupid that all 3 of you have to hide

BananaSlug · 2016-10-04 06:47:39 UTC

he uses his ability, you can use it , if your team dosent use ut too… you just learned what pub is!

GatoCommodore · 2016-10-04 09:25:13 UTC

[quote=“FrostyVampire;206934”]@BananaSlug
I do it if he starts firing at me. But it’s kinda dumb that there is no actual way to know where Redeye is without taking a high risk. You shouldn’t have to hide for 10 seconds in an 1v1 fight where you have full health.
Sometimes it’s even 3v1 and it’s even more stupid that all 3 of you have to hide[/quote]

you know that the smoke can be dispersed easily?
and Red Eye is kind of blind to Stoker Fire while using IR.
And cant see arty laser
and kira guide laser
and fletcher stickies
proxy mines
another Red Eye

i mean, there are lot of ways but you just dont look hard enough