Reddit's reaction to Phantom.


(Eox) #1



Look ! Everyone loves him ! :smirk:

On a more serious note. I know that almost every character is complained against every time it comes out, yet I never saw such a hate wave so far. My opinion ? Well, I didn’t encountered him at the moment, so I can’t really judge. But I had a bad feeling from the start when it was about spawnkilling. Looks like spawnkilling is not the issue though.

Here are some of the most interesting posts (in my opinion) I could find among the whole mass of salt and tears :

1 shots 5 mercs, leaves another 5 with less than 20 HP
no lunge, just long range on katana
stealth
Can survive a headshot by vasil with shield.
Can trigger a Proxy mine and martyrdom with shield and be at full HP.
Gets access to "arguably" the best SMG.
As fast as sawbones

I don’t even care whether he’s OP or not, he is just frustrating to play against.

It feels really cheap to get one shot killed by an invisible guy. It feels even more cheap if you paid attention, saw him coming, unloaded your magazine into his cloak just to get one shot killed anyways because his cloak is a really powerful shield as well.

And there I thought Vassili was the most annoying thing I’d come across.

Any one who complains about his Katana is completely missing the mark. His peek advantage is ridiculous on top of having the Kek-10. It’s incredibly easy to time flanks after a wipe by waiting for the enemy team to respawn and then activate your cloak before they run past you. The amount of attention and awareness required to counter a Phantom is completely disproportionate to any amount of ā€œfinesseā€ required to play him.

I think he’d be more manageable if they reduced his health just a bit - just Nader/Bones level - and either weaken his stealth armor or remove the damage-gating effect it has.

There is no reason he should be so tanky with his stealth up, and ā€˜instagibs’ should still instagib him even if his stealth is active. If a Vassili gets a headshot on him, the Vassili should be rewarded. If the Phantom’s dumb enough to run into an airstrike to try and get at the Skyhammer, the Phantom should not be rewarded. He should get blown sky high like everyone else.

Right now Phantom’s too low risk for high reward.

Interesting entry on the wiki:

''Phantom is a merc first featured in close beta 1. The class had the highest Melee damage. The class during the first portion of CB1 was extremely over powered, later mid CB1 was nerfed too much, making him weak, and later was removed near the end of CB1 for two reasons.

He was too hard to balance
He didn't contribute to the objective''

Then why the fuck have they released him now. He clearly hasn’t become any easier to balance and as a result is broken as hell.

So many of you were ready to hate him before he even came out and the bias really shows. I really don’t think he is that OP. People just aren’t used to fighting him yet. I have played about an hour with him today and he is really fun but he is not a game changer unless he is going against unaware players. I lucked out and got a silver of his best loadout(kek10, katana, 20% melee damage and extended ability time). When you come face to face with someone if they just backpedal even the slower classes can just backpedal and avoid the swings. Swinging the sword is pretty slow and you have plenty of time to kill him before he can swing enough times to kill you. The only 1 shot kills are the low health mercs and they are so damn fast if they just keep moving you will never knife them. Plus they usually have shotguns which will tear you apart shield or no shield. Vasalli is also a direct counter to him because the recon probes make it so he cannot cloak when in their range. It’s the only merc that has a direct counter to another merc(so far). Phantom really only excels against unaware people and people standing still. I wouldn’t want to even pull a phantom when going against a competent team like you see in ranked or 10+. He is a pure pub stomper and nothing more.

EDIT : I also add the link to TotalBiscuit’s Phantom video, just for fun.


(Ghosthree3) #2

It’s reddit, what do you expect?


(scrub_lord) #3

Nobody knows how to play against him yet. It’s the same story for every Merc release.

I can’t tell you how many times people just forget about me when I stealth away after being seen or charge at me while I’m stealthed.


([GER] eclipsE) #4

No they have a Point. A Character like Phantom should be not in the Game and if he is, like he is, he is OP.
I played with some expierenced Guys in a Comp today against a Lvl 6 Phantom and some Other Mercs. The KD’s where on our side, like expected 30/10 or more and on Enemy Side? Yeah like 5/14 etc but then there was this Phantom and had a KD of 26/11 eventhough they not really came out of their spawn.
Why it is so? Yeah we played Underground for example and planted and Phantom came in, in suit and we called him out immediatly but we even 5 guys spraying him, could not kill him, and he got 3 of us with one hit (2 Auras, 1 Proxy) and then killed the Fragger and the Skyhammer on our team.
This isn’t Reign of Kings or what this Game is called. But i feel, that Phantom is straight from there.
His Damage Output is okay but his Input is wayyyyy up to the skies of Uranus toooooo frickin high.


(scrub_lord) #5

No they have a Point. A Character like Phantom should be not in the Game and if he is, like he is, he is OP.
I played with some expierenced Guys in a Comp today against a Lvl 6 Phantom and some Other Mercs. The KD’s where on our side, like expected 30/10 or more and on Enemy Side? Yeah like 5/14 etc but then there was this Phantom and had a KD of 26/11 eventhough they not really came out of their spawn.
Why it is so? Yeah we played Underground for example and planted and Phantom came in, in suit and we called him out immediatly but we even 5 guys spraying him, could not kill him, and he got 3 of us with one hit (2 Auras, 1 Proxy) and then killed the Fragger and the Skyhammer on our team.
This isn’t Reign of Kings or what this Game is called. But i feel, that Phantom is straight from there.
His Damage Output is okay but his Input is wayyyyy up to the skies of Uranus toooooo frickin high.[/quote]

I think it’s trying to communicate.


([GER] eclipsE) #6

No they have a Point. A Character like Phantom should be not in the Game and if he is, like he is, he is OP.
I played with some expierenced Guys in a Comp today against a Lvl 6 Phantom and some Other Mercs. The KD’s where on our side, like expected 30/10 or more and on Enemy Side? Yeah like 5/14 etc but then there was this Phantom and had a KD of 26/11 eventhough they not really came out of their spawn.
Why it is so? Yeah we played Underground for example and planted and Phantom came in, in suit and we called him out immediatly but we even 5 guys spraying him, could not kill him, and he got 3 of us with one hit (2 Auras, 1 Proxy) and then killed the Fragger and the Skyhammer on our team.
This isn’t Reign of Kings or what this Game is called. But i feel, that Phantom is straight from there.
His Damage Output is okay but his Input is wayyyyy up to the skies of Uranus toooooo frickin high.[/quote]

I think it’s trying to communicate.
[/quote]

Your Point is exactly what? That i dont speak english native?


(PurpleNurple) #7

I’m just gonna say I feel extremely OP when using him. Players are so used to looking for a blatant red reflective skin that they don’t realize a phantom is next to them. Within the first couple mins i was already on unstoppable. The fact that you can collateral and kill more than one squishy merc with a heavy strike is insane. I have been t bagged more in 1 game than my whole time playing. This class breeds nothing but toxicity. Honestly even after buying him and his best bronze loadout with $$ i wouldn’t be mad if they removed him and refunded me. It’s more of a majority of this player base isn’t smart/quick enough to kill a phantom before he kills you.


([GER] eclipsE) #8

[quote=ā€œPurpleNurple;40735ā€]I’m just gonna say I feel extremely OP when using him. Players are so used to looking for a blatant red reflective skin that they don’t realize a phantom is next to them. Within the first couple mins i was already on unstoppable. The fact that you can collateral and kill more than one squishy merc with a heavy strike is insane. I have been t bagged more in 1 game than my whole time playing. This class breeds nothing but toxicity. Honestly even after buying him and his best bronze loadout with $$ i wouldn’t be mad if they removed him and refunded me. It’s more of a majority of this player base isn’t smart/quick enough to kill a phantom before he kills you.


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What you think about his Shield Ability? You find it OP tbh? Just want to know @PurpleNurple


(watsyurdeal) #9

No offense but the scores guys don’t tell the story

I mean I can get those kind of scores with other mercs too, so it doesn’t really mean the class is op. If anything it could mean the enemy team just didn’t know how to handle him, which makes sense as Phantom was just released today.


(PurpleNurple) #10

[quote="[GER] eclipsE;40737"][quote=ā€œPurpleNurple;40735ā€]—
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What you think about his Shield Ability? You find it OP tbh? Just want to know @PurpleNurple[/quote]

I feel like i’m never worried about dying. The only thing I had to do was sit in a spot where they usually ran through and with one heavy strike take out 1-3 people. Then ones that survive the heavy strike fall victim to quick strikes. If i do get caught all i have to do is long jump towards them and heavy strike them down. It’s a really fun class because of the insane things you can pull off, but it’s a class that provokes more rage than nader. You can escape a naders nade, but a heavy strike from a competent shadow will destroy you.


(scrub_lord) #11

[quote=ā€œPurpleNurple;40740ā€][quote="[GER] eclipsE;40737"][quote=ā€œPurpleNurple;40735ā€]—
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What you think about his Shield Ability? You find it OP tbh? Just want to know @PurpleNurple[/quote]

I feel like i’m never worried about dying. The only thing I had to do was sit in a spot where they usually ran through and with one heavy strike take out 1-3 people. Then ones that survive the heavy strike fall victim to quick strikes.
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So you played against idiots? I bet you could’ve planted mines in that spot instead and they would’ve funneled through like idiots and died to those too over and over again.


(Alphafox) #12

@PurpleNurple said:
I’m just gonna say I feel extremely OP when using him. Players are so used to looking for a blatant red reflective skin that they don’t realize a phantom is next to them. Within the first couple mins i was already on unstoppable. The fact that you can collateral and kill more than one squishy merc with a heavy strike is insane. I have been t bagged more in 1 game than my whole time playing. This class breeds nothing but toxicity. Honestly even after buying him and his best bronze loadout with $$ i wouldn’t be mad if they removed him and refunded me. It’s more of a majority of this player base isn’t smart/quick enough to kill a phantom before he kills you.

What is the score even supposed to mean? You can also clearly see that the other Phantom players got a negative k/d. Really, he isn’t better than Fragger and no one is ragging about Fragger.


(spookify) #13

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That video he had the better team and was playing against noobs… I want to see videos of higher level players playing with and against him. All these people qq’ing by the style of their death. They would be qq’ing if a fat fragger or rhino made half hose kills too…


(Ghosthree3) #14

I don’t think Phantom will be good in high level play. He’s really good and fun for wrecking noobs in pub servers though.


(meditativePillar) #15

So Phantom isn’t good for comp and he runs off the casual players. It sounds like he’s only good for people who enjoy pub stomping.


(jetJester) #16

Today i ran in front of the enemy team spawing, they literrally walked past me without shooting, no need to tell what happened next.
Yes they called phantom OP : D
Guess they later went on reddit to open those topics


(Jojack) #17

So to all of you saying that people don’t know how to handle him, why don’t you educate everyone. How are you supposed to handle him? How are you supposed to handle a merc that is hard to see, and even if you do see him he has 240 hitpoints (right?) and can kill you in 1-2 seconds by the time you can even hurt him. Not to mention he has teammates.

Everyone who thinks he’s fine act like you are running into the dude 1v1. Yeah, I can handle him 1v1 but that’s purely due to my skill vs his, and you rarely are facing just one guy. There’s a whole enemy team, and when one merc forces the entire enemy team to deal with him before he kills you all in a matter of seconds…it ruins the game.

Plain and simple. It’s not about being OP or UP, it’s strictly that an armored character shouldn’t even be in this game. Personally, I would say a melee character doesn’t either but whatever. People all seem to love melee in a shooter, though I can’t understand it. If you have to have a melee character, give him stealth or give him armor. Not both. Preferably, leave the stealth and ditch the armor. It’s terrible. And don’t give him the best smg’s in the game on top of it all.

Phantom, in his current state, ruins the game for me because he turns it from a fast paced, fun shooter into a bad Jedi Academy mod.


(avidCow) #18

SD need to decide if he is stealth or tank. Stealth tank is fucking ridiculous and just toxic.


(Amerika) #19

[quote=ā€œWatsyurdeal;40738ā€]No offense but the scores guys don’t tell the story

I mean I can get those kind of scores with other mercs too, so it doesn’t really mean the class is op. If anything it could mean the enemy team just didn’t know how to handle him, which makes sense as Phantom was just released today.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s the thing. I played Phantom quite a bit today and my scores were about normal for me using a character aggressively. Nothing really changed in that department. I went 94/20 in one game and had I gone Fragger in that same game I probably would have had 120 kills.

People are confusing annoying with overpowered. Similar to Rhino and even Martyrdom. Yes, it’s annoying to die to them but that doesn’t mean they are too powerful.


(cordialEnigma) #20

This guy just needs to be removed. I see him coming almost all the time but to do 200 damage to him before he can 1 or 2 shot me? I lose that battle almost everytime.

He has too much health/protection with that shield, his melee does way too much damage and he even has an above average ranged weapon when needed. I’m going to get my money back if they don’t remove him or nerf him.