Reconsider Female Characters!

(tokamak) #301

[QUOTE=Profane;206721]I like Mercenaries’ approach: two dudes, one chick.
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Is that a position?

(signofzeta) #302

But would YOU decline that offer?

(Fayetal) #303

[QUOTE=MILFandCookies;206726]

I’d have to admit that I’m quite displeased with SplashDamage’s approach. Im a really ugly guy cough and I feel that there is a deep need to have ugly characters in the game, to truly reflect who I am and others who arent “sexy”. Its sexist! Why cant us ugly guys have ugly characters!?!?!?

Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]

No, that isn’t sexist, that would be something else completely different

(MILFandCookies) #304

Exactly :wink: Because it completely ignores the fact that what is sexy, is subjective.

(BioSnark) #305

Well, no. That’s not it.

This has nothing to do with subjective sexual tastes. It has everything to do with character design. Females are generally always intended (by the game devs) to be sexually attractive while the same necessity is NOT applied to male characters. Whether the game developers succeed in making a sexy female character or not is irrelevant to the discussion of sexism. It is the gender based double-standard in necessary character traits that is relevant.

(and there are generally unattractive male player-character options in Brink)

(Fayetal) #306

Something sexy doesn’t define sexist, sexism is discrimination based on gender and not to do with how attractive a form may be.

Women FTW!

(PSG_Mud) #307

I think if female characters were developed it would not seem very professional. Sort of like someone who goes in for an interview without a tie. Perhaps that is an odd take to it, but I just don’t like playing against women real or not.

They’re vastly physically and psychologically weaker when it comes to battle stress and have no place in frontal warfare. Ask any vet, its not a matter of sexism, its a matter of life and death. And when it comes down to it men protect for the very reason of a higher chance of survival. Killing women or children is wrong, fantasy or not because they are at a huge disadvantage thus becomes a moral and honor issue. If you ever seen women or children with a gun ready to fight if they have to, you too would change your mind on this. Your mind is perverse and probably brainwashed by the “entertainment” business.

(H0RSE) #308

[QUOTE=PSG_Mud;207121]I think if female characters were developed it would not seem very professional. Sort of like someone who goes in for an interview without a tie. Perhaps that is an odd take to it, but I just don’t like playing against women real or not.

They’re vastly physically and psychologically weaker when it comes to battle stress and have no place in frontal warfare. Ask any vet, its not a matter of sexism, its a matter of life and death. And when it comes down to it men protect for the very reason of a higher chance of survival. Killing women or children is wrong, fantasy or not because they are at a huge disadvantage thus becomes a moral and honor issue. If you ever seen women or children with a gun ready to fight if they have to, you too would change your mind on this. Your mind is perverse and probably brainwashed by the “entertainment” business.[/QUOTE]

It’s - a - video - game… really, you guys will go over, up, under and around searching for “reasons” why females shouldn’t be in the game. All these real life “weaknesses” of women don’t mean jack in a game where a dude can play as a chick, and everything must be balanced for gameplay anyway.

(PSG_Mud) #309

Wrong, the social impact of media has severe implications. To say, “It’s - a - video - game” a ignorant cop out to real life issues. You want to live in your fantasy land thats fine. But, the fact that the scenario replicates a vision of future human existence makes it apart of real life concepts. A window into the future. This is a scenario is about Human existence. And, having women fight is almost a form of propaganda for liberals to impede their will so women can be recruited for frontal combat. Not only that, the form of combat is a very similar simulation to how we fight skirmishes in wars today. When one fires a weapon in a first person shooter game, does one not visualize firing that weapon as they would if they were holding the gun itself?

To say its just a game, is just like me saying… its just Haiti they are not worth the attention. The fact is visualization of characters is real. Visualization of firing a weapon is real. Wanting to be or wanting to fire at women as a fantasy in which you derive pleasure from is sick. I am not “searching” for reasons, and I don’t appreciate you belittling me. I am explaining to you, that you are a corrupted individual by the media and I am not when it comes to this issue. The real world is ugly full of inequality, and as much as one like yourself might want to subconsciously hide reality while playing the game and shoot women, many individuals like myself will not beable to.

Whats next, children? Its just a game… A game where children fight one another for food in a starving section of Algeria or Angola. Lets put them at around 7-8 years old. But, its just a game of course. Each child is given a rusty AK, or perhaps more efficient cost of a bow and arrow where they receive a painfully slow death. Each player seeks out another player and kills that child. But, its just a game… You get the food you win. But, its just a game.

What makes it wrong there? The fact that these children are poor fighting for food or that they are children? Its not because they’re poor, any game which features adults fighting a conflict for resources is not considered wrong. Its natural. Now, lets say, these children are placed in the same scenario of Brink. One might not consider it wrong, only if they’re brainwashed to believe that way. Such as yourself. And, because of this the only reason you might feel wrong about this is because the media tells you its wrong. I see it is wrong because I’ve been there and I am human, not because the media says its wrong. Women are no different, its always been this way and always will be this way if wars are fought the way they are now with the same display of modern combat. It may be acceptable to watch another individual kill a female on TV, but to do it yourself is a completely different story. And, that is why you think the way you do, because you’ve been programmed by the media to think it is ok.

(Shiv) #310

(i am on the decent customization for dudes fence… which is what sd has said they are doing)

its rebels vs security on a tight piece of land. If it where to become real i am pretty sure there would be some women jumping in to get the job done. They dont have room to sit their and do “womenly” things.
Yes in the ww’s they stayed behind and ripped down school fences to make bullets but we had the protected land to do it. There is a mix of people on this and no (at least for the rebels) land safe enough to set up any large, permanent factories.

I am not a fan of the medias take on most things, O NO ONE OF OUR COUNTRY DIED!!! and 7000 of theirs.

Like has been said before. its. a. game.

Having said that. I do not agree with mw2’s russia level and I do not want kids in a war game.
Yes kids do violent things in real life. No it shouldnt happen under any circumstances if we have a choice, in a game. We have a choice. We should also avoid killing children in games. They are innocent till (as you said) brainwashed, and while “its a game” this is too far.

(PSG_Mud) #311

[QUOTE=Shiv;207141](i am on the decent customization for dudes fence… which is what sd has said they are doing)

its rebels vs security on a tight piece of land. If it where to become real i am pretty sure there would be some women jumping in to get the job done. They dont have room to sit their and do “womenly” things.
Yes in the ww’s they stayed behind and ripped down school fences to make bullets but we had the protected land to do it. There is a mix of people on this and no (at least for the rebels) land safe enough to set up any large, permanent factories.

I am not a fan of the medias take on most things, O NO ONE OF OUR COUNTRY DIED!!! and 7000 of theirs.

Like has been said before. its. a. game.

Having said that. I do not agree with mw2’s russia level and I do not want kids in a war game.
Yes kids do violent things in real life. No it shouldnt happen under any circumstances if we have a choice, in a game. We have a choice. We should also avoid killing children in games. They are innocent till (as you said) brainwashed, and while “its a game” this is too far.[/QUOTE]

I’d just like to point out that you’re half way there to assimilating propaganda. That the killing of women is not as bad to you. Therefor it is good for your political leaders when your country has an incident that results in mass casualties of females. You won’t be upset, as you consider it a normal death. Every country does it, with control of censorship and highly debated ethical and moral issues they can regulate your value on things. It is inevitable that one day women and children will be killable in games. But, as long as I have a say I will state my opinion. Here is an example. After reading this you may want to reexamine your current views on life.

I’m very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party’s cause will be carried on. In answering the question, “Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war,” more than 80 percent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations

First of all, we did it to reduce artificial inference and to make sure that we got the true thoughts of the people. In addition, it is more confidential and won’t reveal the true purpose of our survey. But what is most important is the fact that most of the people who are able to respond to the questions online are from social groups that are relatively well-educated and intelligent. They are the hard-core and leading groups that play a decisive role among our people. If they support us, then the people as a whole will follow us; if they oppose us, they will play the dangerous role of inciting people and creating social disturbance.

What turned out to be very comforting is they did not turn in a blank test paper. In fact, they turned in a test paper with a score of over 80. This is the excellent fruition of our Party’s work in propaganda and education over the past few decades.

Of course, a few people under the Western influence have objected to shooting at prisoners of war and women and children. Some of them said, “It is shocking and scary to witness so many people approving of shooting at women and children. Is everybody crazy?” Some others said, “The Chinese love to label themselves as a peace-loving people, but actually they are the most ruthless people. The comments are resonant of killing and murdering, sending chills to my heart.”

  • Mr. Chi Haotian, Minster of Defense

Its the same here in America, when ever there is mass causalities in Iraq or Afghanistan they say, “a group of insurgents were killed.” The truth is they probably just launched a tactical nuke on a caravan of marked terrorists with a large group of civilians with possible women and children. Not that I don’t agree with their actions, I just recognize how social power can influence perception and value. Video games are no different, if not worse because everytime you kill a women/child in a game it becomes that much more easier in real life to be desensitized to it.

(Shiv) #312

I dont agree with killing anything and its never just another death.
My views dont need re-examining.

I seperated gaming and life early, it has never been the same to me, i know allot of poeple dump them into the same pot but i didn’t so dont assume.

maybe in the sequals there will be enough dosh for womenz with customization eh ? :stuck_out_tongue:

And yeah, i just agreed with you that for most people it deadens the senses, you dont need to type that in triumph, go have a cookie.

(.Chris.) #313

Still waiting for Yorkshire people to be represented in video games…

(tokamak) #314

I hope you’re not saying that they do matter in real life.

(Profane) #315

I just wanted to say…programming by media is the awesomest ever! Without such social conditioning attempts, where would Jon Stewart get his material? And then where would I get my social conditioning?

rubs chin I don’t envision firing an actual weapon when I watch my on-screen self firing a weapon. There’s just…no comparison. The weight of the controller isn’t anything compared to most guns, there’s no kickback, it’s a different position… I just never actually connected button mashing to pulling a trigger in my head. Funny that you do, Mud.

As for killing kids in games, that’s old news. Didn’t at least one of the first two Fallouts let you kill children? A friend of mine told me about a scenario in one of them where you can give a kid a gun, then tell them to go play with their daddy. That said, I doubt anyone is going to actually consider killing a kid because of a video game. Psychotic people usually already have a reason to kill without “the media” urging them onto it. Children have been murdered for various reasons for pretty much all of human existence. Video games merely reflect our own inherent qualities as a species.

“The media” has absolutely nothing to do with the murder of “civilians.” Mass casualties of war are nothing new; we’re just a little more efficient at it now. All you need to do is look up what happened to cities after foreign armies invaded for just about every recorded war pre-1900. Hell, nevermind armies. Check out what happened in Paris when the Catholic rulers and the Catholic populace decided to get rid of Protestants (St. Bartholomew Day’s Massacre). Now that is some wicked stuff. Makes what we do seem kind in comparison. Or maybe just read up on relatively recent American history involving Native American tribes.

The whole thing about the media being behind savagery forgets that entertainment just appeals to our base desires. Humans are violent; get over it.

And Shiv, WW2 had other countries involved, with women who did more than just smelt bullets. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

(Apples) #316

May I drop a jon lajoie video here? ahhh afraid of some content…

(H0RSE) #317

[QUOTE=PSG_Mud;207124]Wrong, the social impact of media has severe implications. To say, “It’s - a - video - game” a ignorant cop out to real life issues. You want to live in your fantasy land thats fine. But, the fact that the scenario replicates a vision of future human existence makes it apart of real life concepts. A window into the future. This is a scenario is about Human existence. And, having women fight is almost a form of propaganda for liberals to impede their will so women can be recruited for frontal combat. Not only that, the form of combat is a very similar simulation to how we fight skirmishes in wars today. When one fires a weapon in a first person shooter game, does one not visualize firing that weapon as they would if they were holding the gun itself?

To say its just a game, is just like me saying… its just Haiti they are not worth the attention. The fact is visualization of characters is real. Visualization of firing a weapon is real. Wanting to be or wanting to fire at women as a fantasy in which you derive pleasure from is sick. I am not “searching” for reasons, and I don’t appreciate you belittling me. I am explaining to you, that you are a corrupted individual by the media and I am not when it comes to this issue. The real world is ugly full of inequality, and as much as one like yourself might want to subconsciously hide reality while playing the game and shoot women, many individuals like myself will not beable to.

Whats next, children? Its just a game… A game where children fight one another for food in a starving section of Algeria or Angola. Lets put them at around 7-8 years old. But, its just a game of course. Each child is given a rusty AK, or perhaps more efficient cost of a bow and arrow where they receive a painfully slow death. Each player seeks out another player and kills that child. But, its just a game… You get the food you win. But, its just a game.

What makes it wrong there? The fact that these children are poor fighting for food or that they are children? Its not because they’re poor, any game which features adults fighting a conflict for resources is not considered wrong. Its natural. Now, lets say, these children are placed in the same scenario of Brink. One might not consider it wrong, only if they’re brainwashed to believe that way. Such as yourself. And, because of this the only reason you might feel wrong about this is because the media tells you its wrong. I see it is wrong because I’ve been there and I am human, not because the media says its wrong. Women are no different, its always been this way and always will be this way if wars are fought the way they are now with the same display of modern combat. It may be acceptable to watch another individual kill a female on TV, but to do it yourself is a completely different story. And, that is why you think the way you do, because you’ve been programmed by the media to think it is ok.[/QUOTE]

Wow, you should be a politician, and no, I’m not wrong…that’s the beauty of opinions, you can’t disprove them.

I put “weaknesses” in quotes to emphasize that they are not weaknesses at all. Everyone is quick to point out that men are stronger, and men should fight on the front line, and women are less likely to kill, etc. But no one is pointing out how these “strengths” of men can be weaknesses. Like how men are always quick to fight, always quick to wanna start shit, or goto war. I think a woman president would ideal, especially for a country as war-hungry as the US. Maybe we could actually work things out without meaningless loss of life and billions of dollars spent.

All it really comes down to is, Do you want the option to play as/against female avatars? I don’t think SD was sitting at the corporate round table thinking, “well, if we put females in, we have to account for their weaker builds, and all the psychological effects it would have on our player base and the population in general…”

It was probably more like, " Do we have the resources to have lots of customization for males and females?..No?..well then we leave males in since they are the majority of our playerbase, and scrape females…at least for now."

You guys are out of control with your discussions, and they seem to not be working, since more people on this poll are in favor for females characters rather than against them.

(tokamak) #318

You must have missed half of this thread as you went completely over the argument that women in military roles don’t reflect the real world either.

(Stroggafier) #319

Again, I find myself agreeing with @Profane. This is a game, fantasy, unreality. No amount of button mashing, pixel blood, wet-puppy eyes on sheep and children is going to make me think I am actually a killer in real life. It might desensitize me to real world events…if I were 5 years old. Otherwise, like most, I also have separated fantasy from reality.

Women avatars is purely about a game experience that will drive max enjoyment and hence profit, by allowing players the best emersion and fantasy play. Sexy helps, sexism probably does not.

(Fayetal) #320

I would like to see the proof that women are psychologically weaker, as opposed to different, that would be an interesting read I find.

I get the physical aspects of “weakness” however women can do some things better than men and men can do some things better than women.

I would also challenge any one of you to try to take or hurt a womans child, because there is nothing stronger, faster or more psychologically unfeeling than a woman protecting her young, IMO.

I think a lot of you have some rather strange views on women and wonder if you would say a lot of this in front of your mothers. That had nothing to do with the thread but IDC, rather a valid point I feel :slight_smile: