real ui_showgun 0 pls!

(Pakaa) #41

[QUOTE=tokamak;327854]That’s a VERY good point and to be honest, I have no answer to this. I’ve had this discussion frequently on the Quake Wars forums and this argument always stumped me. There’s nothing you can do as a developer to stop people from using external, physical aides.

I agree that what’s going on now is an inconsistent approach, but it’s an inconsistency that favours the way I like to see the game run as the disadvantage of having a useless ironsight mode completely discourages people to turn off their gun models.

My biggest point here though is that, who is really harmed by not being able to turn of their weapon? I don’t see anyone suffering a disadvantage, I only see a leveled ground for all players.[/QUOTE]
Well I’m using ui_showgun 0 right now, and I’m not using a physical aide, I just ignore iron sighting for the time being and that’s fine as long as you’re using the Carb and pistols. It doesn’t really give me an advantage though as iron sighting has its uses since you can’t use crouched aim from every vantage point. I don’t do it to have an advantage over anybody, I do it because it feels right to me and it’s how I’m used to playing games online. Maybe I’m just longing back to the days of Rogue Spear/Ghost Recon? But using it here limits me in what weapons I use and how I use them, as long as I don’t put a dot on my screen.

And I really don’t find it aesthetically pleasing to have that ugly lump of a texture there, and the animation of the arms when parkouring isn’t really a pretty thing to look at either regardless of your settings. I really find the game to be more pleasant to look at with guns disabled. Again, that’s just down to preference.

My points are that the option is in there, right now it’s exploitable, and there’s an easy fix for it by enabling models while zoomed that won’t affect customization options or really change the game much from the way it is now. Having it in the options menu would also be a very good thing.

Anyway I think the poll kinda speaks for itself, especially considering that “no” and “don’t know” are on the same button in a cross platform forum. :wink:

(xzen) #42

You can turn bobbing off entirely in the options, on x360 at least.

(Midnight) #43

The majority are noobs.

(tokamak) #44

Sure. Of course, but my problem doesn’t lie with the advantage of the select view that wield the arcane powers of the cvar. After all, in theory everyone has access to it, even though it’s a bit obscure.

The incompetence regarding poll formulation is a running theme on this forum.

(ekuah) #45

hmm incompetence… its just a ironic touch

(tokamak) #46

You actually think the poll results are representative?

(ekuah) #47

go play on xbox pls thx :D. most competetive players i know so far want it. if you dont want it just dont care, because u dont have to use it

(tokamak) #48

Neither do I have to use aimbots and wallhacks, doesn’t mean I want to see it happening in the game.

(ekuah) #49

then lets say if u arent good enough for brink, go play tetris.

(Shadowcat) #50

I wasn’t arguing aesthetics vs advantages. I Was arguing that SD balanced the sights such that the ones that block more of your screen have less of an equip speed disadvantage than the ones that don’t block much of your screen.

All of this balance would be destroyed if you could have your whole screen visible and still have your stock equip speed.

As to your question in general: you never really used any specific arguments in the thread, just saying “aesthetics, aesthetics, aesthetics” over and over. Only arguing about the whole picture is never going to sway anyone, specific situations have a much better time with making people realize the flaws of their argument, it makes them focus on things they have ignored or haven’t thought of.

Edit: This may seem like a flame post, after I read through it again, but I’m honestly just trying to answer the question. You’ve made some good points in this thread.

(Pakaa) #51

cough (bump, it was a weekend thread after all)

Would be interested to hear SDs view in this matter, is ui_showgun 0 going to stay unprotected or… ?

(ekuah) #52

vote more pls

(McAfee) #53

I think this is what It should boil down to. Options like these should be accessible even to someone who doesn’t know how to open the console. Like some of you like to put it: Buying a new mouse just involves going to a store, it’s not a underground trade for a better mouse.

And graphics options should have a minimum that matches the minimum system requirements. There’s a point where lowering graphics even further doesn’t really give you more Frames/sec. It just makes the game look like Pong.

I know this is what some of you want:

(ekuah) #54

yeah ure funny