Ranked sucks.

(KangaJoo) #21

@doxjq said:
hawkeyeguy99 wrote: »

For all the crap he’s getting, OP is right: ranked matchmaking is beyond broken. I stopped playing because I’m tired of the same stuff over and over again. I’d rather spend my time in pubs where it’s at least less noticeable how bad the matchmaking is. But honestly, to call this bs ranked is complete crap. It’s an unbalanced 50% chance to either get on the stomping side or the stomped side and no in-between. I’ve gotten 4 ranked skins and have played maybe 2 balanced matches. Can someone explain how in the world putting 3 unranked players on the same side while the other gets all silver and above is considered balanced? Even by their own admission that shouldn’t be happening.

The reason ranked is as broken as it is when it comes to balance though is because the player base is so small. If Dirty Bomb had 50,000 players playing during peak times, you’d have a much better chance of finding fair games.

There is no perfect way to balance a game when there less literally only hundreds (if even that) playing ranked.

But besides the point, yeah we all know ranked matchmaking can be pretty bad, but 8v8 certainly isn’t the answer lol.

Yep there are two reasons, imo, why ranked is bad and this is one of them. Not enough players queuing up to get enough players in each skill bracket. This leads to the game putting 1 good player on a team of noobs which win or lose is just frustrating for everyone involved. Good players don’t like to be held back by people making poor decisions or who are incapable of executing and noobs don’t like being told what to do or getting stomped by that one guy on the other team.

The other problem I have with mm is that it seems to take forever change ranks. In CSGO after 10 games you can be anywhere from silver 1 (lowest rank in the game) to legendary eagle (4th highest rank) whereas in db after 10 games it seems like everyone is slightly above or below mid silver no matter what. In cs it doesn’t take that long for a good player to feel like their teammates are at least similar to their skill level, but in db I still haven’t played a match like that unless I ask a friend to play.

(watsyurdeal) #22

So basically…this thread is about people complaining that people in 5v5 can not work together, yet not explaining why. Only thing I can infer it is in fact the people themselves not playing together, yet blaming everyone else.

(RectalTerror) #23

you don’t understand why a bunch of random people can’t cooperate, really?

Anyway, I’m finding something really too suspect in the shuffling. Basically my last 10 matches have been lame pubstomps, which is usual, but 10 times in a row being on the wrong side, that’s statistically weird. There HAS to be something producing this in the algo.
I’d really like to play a ranked in which the shuffling is pure random. It would certainly be better than this.

Would be interesting to see if others have have experienced the same btw. Statistically, we should win or lose more or less randomly, like win 2, lose 1, etc. That’s not at all what I’ve experienced, I’ve experienced abnormally long series of wins or losses. It really feels like the shuffling algo is trying to make you lose, once you’ve reached too many wins in a row.
Perhaps it’s even how it’s designed - like “ok, you’ve reached this rank, now we’re gonna only put you in shitty teams vs pros, and if you survive this, you deserve the next rank”. God knows what’s happening there.

(Edit: my last match wasn’t that crappy… it was bridge and we barely managed to repair the EV in time… and yet it was the best out of the last 11, by FAR)

(watsyurdeal) #24

you don’t understand why a bunch of random people can’t cooperate, really?

Anyway, I’m finding something really too suspect in the shuffling. Basically my last 10 matches have been lame pubstomps, which is usual, but 10 times in a row being on the wrong side, that’s statistically weird. There HAS to be something producing this in the algo.
I’d really like to play a ranked in which the shuffling is pure random. It would certainly be better than this.
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Because it’s not that complicated, and that issue always starts with YOU as a player.

What can YOU do to better help your team, that should be the first question you should be asking.

Cause it should not require, that you have a team of people you know just to have a basic understanding of teamwork.

(RectalTerror) #25

[quote=“watsyurdeal;c-227868”]
Cause it should not require, that you have a team of people you know just to have a basic understanding of teamwork.[/quote]

But a level 7 does not have that.

Also, a high-lvl who’s just there for the kills (usually they snipe, usually they brag about their highest K/D at the end) don’t think like that.

And that’s not a problem in pub, that’s a problem when it’s 5 vs 5, because losing 20% of your team is more critical than losing 12.5% of it.

As for myself, my main 2 mercs are aura & proxy. So whatever there other 4 pick, I always cover a useful spot with one of these.

(watsyurdeal) #26

[quote=“376E1AE459B1;c-227872”][quote=“watsyurdeal;c-227868”]
Cause it should not require, that you have a team of people you know just to have a basic understanding of teamwork.[/quote]

But a level 7 does not have that.

Also, a high-lvl who’s just there for the kills (usually they snipe, usually they brag about their highest K/D at the end) don’t think like that.

And that’s not a problem in pub, that’s a problem when it’s 5 vs 5, because losing 20% of your team is more critical than losing 12.5% of it.

As for myself, my main 2 mercs are aura & proxy. So whatever there other 4 pick, I always cover a useful spot with one of these.
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Maybe the level 7’s you run into, but I’ve seen a few who do.

Level doesn’t mean anything, it’s your mindset that matters. And if your first instinct is to give up when things don’t go your way, then of course you will lose.

And there is no reason to have more than 5v5 since a) we have enough problems trying to get 10 people to play ranked, getting 12 would just make it harder to get a match started, b) the maps are built for 5v5, so when you kill people you can actually capitalize on it rather than being immediately swarmed by freshly spawned people on defense.

Also, get Phoneix and Fletcher then, there’s a reason you don’t see those two in serious play, they’re too fragile and lack versatility.

(kopyright) #27

If there is one thing Top Gear taught me it’s that while it’s true that the most expensive car isn’t necessarily the fastest it’s rather likely that an expensive car can go faster than a cheap one.

(RectalTerror) #28

And level does mean something, it’s experience, and again, it’s what makes you win.
This is no deathmatch, even the best shooter coming from another game will have no chance if he’s new in DB, he won’t know the objs, he won’t know the assisting classes.
…if that wasn’t the case, I would suck the most at DB, as I can’t aim.

The only way “level would mean nothing” would be if a guy’s little sister was using his account. That’s the only thing you can’t be sure of, that the one playing is the one who earned that level.

(K1X455) #29

@376E1AE459B1 If only I can reset my levels back to 10, I would happily do so, and give an extra 4 cobalts I’m not using.

Look at the picture below.

The game was won because of that lvl17 Vassili player knew how to position himself for a bounding overwatch position and which allowed me to make a plant while the rest of defend. Hackusations came fast and thick left right and centre and the typical salt-of-losing-the-match came pouring because the other team thought the higher level player can carry the entire team to victory. That’s not how DB was intended to work. It’s team effort and coordination that wins the match, but even so, I’m not in it for winning, it’s being a good team player that is a win for me.

(GatoCommodore) #30

[quote=“376E1AE459B1;c-227938”]And level does mean something, it’s experience, and again, it’s what makes you win.
This is no deathmatch, even the best shooter coming from another game will have no chance if he’s new in DB, he won’t know the objs, he won’t know the assisting classes.
…if that wasn’t the case, I would suck the most at DB, as I can’t aim.

The only way “level would mean nothing” would be if a guy’s little sister was using his account. That’s the only thing you can’t be sure of, that the one playing is the one who earned that level.[/quote]

Talent > Level

(Mc1412013) #31

[quote=“K1X455;c-227941”]@376E1AE459B1 If only I can reset my levels back to 10, I would happily do so, and give an extra 4 cobalts I’m not using.

Look at the picture below.

The game was won because of that lvl17 Vassili player knew how to position himself for a bounding overwatch position and which allowed me to make a plant while the rest of defend. Hackusations came fast and thick left right and centre and the typical salt-of-losing-the-match came pouring because the other team thought the higher level player can carry the entire team to victory. That’s not how DB was intended to work. It’s team effort and coordination that wins the match, but even so, I’m not in it for winning, it’s being a good team player that is a win for me.

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Top of stairs looking down at right side of obj best place to plant. Enemy doesnt focus to much at sniper as there usualy trying to get to the c4. Enless your on team potato then there usualy by the stairs

(K1X455) #32

@Mc1412013 he actually did more than that. He provided oversight through the tube because an equally skilled Vassili player was covering the tubes leading to the control station where the C4 needed to be planted.

(RectalTerror) #33

That’s not a ranked match. I don’t mind one (or even 2) vassili in a team of 8. In a team of 5 it’s another story. And a lvl17 isn’t supposed to be bad either.

(Chris Mullins) #34

As you know we’re making a load of improvements to Ranked for Season 3 (check out this video for extra info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHbTg4InCiA. When that goes live, we’re gonna be keeping a very close eye on it so we can then make a list of updates for Season 4.

(Teflon Love) #35

@hawkeyeguy99 said:
Can someone explain how in the world putting 3 unranked players on the same side while the other gets all silver and above is considered balanced?

I just leave this here.

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(bgyoshi) #36

8v8 omg kill me

6v6 though… I could only pray SD sees the light one day and switches 5v5 to 6v6.

(RectalTerror) #37

If I need to update this, after a streak of a dozen losses, and right after losing a rank, I got a streak of a small dozen wins as well. I’m not saying it’s totally impossible for this to randomly happen, but… it has to be the result of some algo.

Really, a pure random shuffling would give ok results. I know you’re trying to improve these, but the end result seems to be much worse.

Perhaps a pure random shuffle, or any shuffle at all, can’t work in pub, because in pub people can swap teams, so good players stack up on the good side (and when you’re on the good side, you don’t leave), so the bad lvl spread isn’t entirely due to the initial shuffling. But in ranked you can’t swap…

And that party thing in the video is worrying me. Why not just let clans fight against other clans, in their own game mode? Sure, there may not be enough players for that… but I’m worried about having to fight against organized players with a bunch of randoms.

(No_Point) #38

Oh me… I seem to bounce between almost being able to reach Silver Master, until I get string of losses all the way to mid bronze… Last 4 games I had today, leavers in each and every one of them.

@teflonlove said:

@hawkeyeguy99 said:
Can someone explain how in the world putting 3 unranked players on the same side while the other gets all silver and above is considered balanced?

I just leave this here.

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The problem here is that bronze and silver ranks = unranked. You know, that unranked player joins a game that is a win, and the game now thinks he is a win away from the first gold rank. He loses a game, and the game still thinks he is a game away from being a silver master. He loses a game… etc… etc… Until he finally gets a bronze rank.

(GatoCommodore) #39

when i won my placement matches i get to be placed on silver.

(Term___) #40

My issue is at least one in three matches will end 4v5, normally with me being on the 4 team, meaning a loss, and loss of ranked points.