Ranked sucks.

(RectalTerror) #1

Nothing new here, just ranting about something everyone knows to be broken.

My last 10 matches or so… the ones we won, that was by luck, because the other team had lost a guy.
For ALL OF THEM, ALL… OF… THEM… I was on the shitty side. I’m talking base-raped level, here.

I wish I had been the last on the board, so that I’d have thought “ok, I’m the weak link, I shouldn’t have been put in the same team as these players, they’re too good for me, it’s my fault if I lost”. But nooooo, of course not. We all know how it goes, it doesn’t matter where you end up on the board, your team loses, you lose, period. It’s your fuckin fault for ending up with these random lvl7 players, against a team made of people who know each other (without any penalty on their side), YEAH.

I naively thought that, when one or more player has left and you’re offered to leave with no penalty, that meant that the match wouldn’t count as lost. Haha, but no, it’s lost.

I’m starting to like pub a lot more now, because it’s now populated by all the <lvl7 ones who can’t play ranked yet, making it… balanced. So we now have the choice between being raped in ranked (or, with luck, the other way around, in any case it’s never a fair match), or raping noobs in pub.

I so wish there was a game mode in which the balance is purely decided by lvls. At least we would be able to TRY it, and figure out that it’s not as easy as that, that it doesn’t work. But let’s face it, it WOULD WORK. We’ve played enough matches to realize that YES, it’s 90% of the time the team who has the most high-lvls that wins. And never by a small margin. Meanwhile, whatever shitty algo is used for balance, does not work AT ALL. Some claim it’s based on previous wins, that’s stupid as hell if it’s true. That would mean that your chances of winning in ranked would be purely based on previous losses, then why even bother playing if that’s the case?

One might think, ok, it doesn’t matter whether the balance is shitty or not, because -on average-, you would have 50% chances being on the right side, 50% chances being on the side being baseraped, and that little thing left to change the stats would be yourself. But no, because

  1. that would be true for random shuffles, not if (like some pretend), shuffling is based on previous losses
  2. even if that was true, it would still suck, because there’s little you can do alone in this game. Some parts, like repairing ev at the beginning of bridge, can be done by 1 guy alone, but that doesn’t matter because it’s not gonna make the team nor yourself win anything.

And, ranked would suck a lot less if it was 8 vs 8. I have no clue why it’s 5 vs 5. The less players, the less balanced it’s gonna be. That lvl7, who shouldn’t have been allowed in ranked in the first place, if he ends up being 20% of your team, you’re done. If he’s only 12% of your team, maybe you still have a chance.

Probably gonna get censored, I don’t care.

(AlbinMatt) #2

Got that salt out your system? Good, cause we have Season 3 comin’ soon.

(kopyright) #3

The idea behind 5vs5 is that Ranked is supposed to be more than a glorified team deathmatch and you should play together as a team unlike the clusterfukc an 8vs8 would be.

(RectalTerror) #4

But that’s the problem, you can’t properly play as a team with 4 random people. For a clan vs another clan, that makes perfect sense, but that’s something else.

(watsyurdeal) #5

No offense but that’s not a good argument, that’s basically excuse for you as a player for playing selfishly.

(Press E) #6

Salt aside, I do agree with OP. I was extremely disappointed with the last dev vid when they didn’t announce any major changes to ranked that would actually fix it. I really hope they have a surprise for us, because otherwise I doubt I’ll be playing, and it’ll just end up as the same failure as it did in this season.
Sure, punish leavers more and try to bribe me with more shiny cases instead of actually making the experience enjoyable. It doesn’t help, and for a company as obsessed with ranked as SD, I have no idea how no one there has gotten fed up with it and fixed it.

The concept behind ranked is great, teams working together and communicating together, but most matches are literally less balanced than pub matches. Whether you win or lose is mostly luck with who you get placed in a team with, and most of the time, no matter how hard you try, no amount of communication or tryharding will save that team.

(blufflord) #7

Maybe you should’ve stopped at that.
Also “And, ranked would suck a lot less if it was 8 vs 8. I have no clue why it’s 5 vs 5”
Cause the game and maps were built around 5v5 gameplay. If you want 8v8 go play your crappy shitstorm dome pub matches; i promise you they’ll be just as unbalanced

(doxjq) #8

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And, ranked would suck a lot less if it was 8 vs 8. I have no clue why it’s 5 vs 5.[/quote]

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if it was 8 vs 8.[/quote]

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8 vs 8. [/quote]

think I’m having an aneurysm.

someone pls halp.

(hawkeyeguy99) #9

For all the crap he’s getting, OP is right: ranked matchmaking is beyond broken. I stopped playing because I’m tired of the same stuff over and over again. I’d rather spend my time in pubs where it’s at least less noticeable how bad the matchmaking is. But honestly, to call this bs ranked is complete crap. It’s an unbalanced 50% chance to either get on the stomping side or the stomped side and no in-between. I’ve gotten 4 ranked skins and have played maybe 2 balanced matches. Can someone explain how in the world putting 3 unranked players on the same side while the other gets all silver and above is considered balanced? Even by their own admission that shouldn’t be happening.

(Mc1412013) #10

I like the 5v5 i find 16 players to many but thats just me. Your milage will vary

(Mc1412013) #11

[quote=“STARRYSOCK;c-227755”]Salt aside, I do agree with OP. I was extremely disappointed with the last dev vid when they didn’t announce any major changes to ranked that would actually fix it. I really hope they have a surprise for us, because otherwise I doubt I’ll be playing, and it’ll just end up as the same failure as it did in this season.
Sure, punish leavers more and try to bribe me with more shiny cases instead of actually making the experience enjoyable. It doesn’t help, and for a company as obsessed with ranked as SD, I have no idea how no one there has gotten fed up with it and fixed it.

The concept behind ranked is great, teams working together and communicating together, but most matches are literally less balanced than pub matches. Whether you win or lose is mostly luck with who you get placed in a team with, and most of the time, no matter how hard you try, no amount of communication or tryharding will save that team.[/quote]

They dont say much of anything in the dev vids. At least the dev streams were way more informative. Plus if they didnt bring anything up 13 peope hounded them in hope of answers

Also is it me or do the vids seem shorter than normal lately

(Press E) #12

[quote=“Mc1412013;c-227783”][quote=“STARRYSOCK;c-227755”]Salt aside, I do agree with OP. I was extremely disappointed with the last dev vid when they didn’t announce any major changes to ranked that would actually fix it. I really hope they have a surprise for us, because otherwise I doubt I’ll be playing, and it’ll just end up as the same failure as it did in this season.
Sure, punish leavers more and try to bribe me with more shiny cases instead of actually making the experience enjoyable. It doesn’t help, and for a company as obsessed with ranked as SD, I have no idea how no one there has gotten fed up with it and fixed it.

The concept behind ranked is great, teams working together and communicating together, but most matches are literally less balanced than pub matches. Whether you win or lose is mostly luck with who you get placed in a team with, and most of the time, no matter how hard you try, no amount of communication or tryharding will save that team.[/quote]

They dont say much of anything in the dev vids. At least the dev streams were way more informative. Plus if they didnt bring anything up 13 peope hounded them in hope of answers

Also is it me or do the vids seem shorter than normal lately[/quote]

Usually they do give hints of big changes they’re making though. Like I said, they’re pretty obsessed with ranked, and I’d expect them to mention a major change to fix its balance.
I sure as hell hope they have something up their sleeve, but well, my hopes aren’t as high as I’d like.

(Sorotia) #13

Unfortunately this is what you get when the devs try to keep people interested after they make all of these grand promises after finally breaking free from the clutches of villainy that is Nexon.

In desperation they put in a new skin to basically give people busy work because after almost two years of adding practically nothing new to the game and still having nothing even after two years, they had to do something.

So we got this poorly thought out idea behind a bad ranking system that just isn’t that good.

All people think about is they want the new shiny and don’t care if they play poorly as there is always a chance to get a skin even if you lose. People treat it like pub 2.0…

Isn’t much that can be done about that unfortunately…unless the population suddenly grows huge there isn’t going to be much but uneven groups because the matchmaker will just match you up with anyone against premades just to save you time.

(K1X455) #14

[quote=“376E1AE459B1;d-36477”]
I have no clue why it’s 5 vs 5. [/quote]

The idea of 5v5 (I believe) is to have at least at least 1 class representation in a match, [list]Namely[]Objective specialist[]Medic[]Fire Support[]Assault[*]Recon[/list]

EDIT: it doesn’t have to be this way all the time, but you do get the idea, don’t you?

The DBN 6v6 matches, allows for 20% of added redundancy.

An 8v8, is just a fustercluck of randoms, but occassionally (rare as cobalt, with matching skin and the type of merc you always wanted), the teams will be nearly equally balanced, and highly cohesive. Outcome of the game isn’t always a win, but a close fight that goes into overtime.

Now, it also depends on the size of the map. Smaller maps are more ideal for smaller groups and larger maps for more areas of gameplay.

What you’re experiencing is just the lack of cohesive gameplay in ranked matches, and the best method I can think to solve the issue is never go in alone; or if you do, be aware of the risks you’re facing.

(Press E) #15

[quote=“Sorotia;c-227785”]Unfortunately this is what you get when the devs try to keep people interested after they make all of these grand promises after finally breaking free from the clutches of villainy that is Nexon.

In desperation they put in a new skin to basically give people busy work because after almost two years of adding practically nothing new to the game and still having nothing even after two years, they had to do something.

So we got this poorly thought out idea behind a bad ranking system that just isn’t that good.

All people think about is they want the new shiny and don’t care if they play poorly as there is always a chance to get a skin even if you lose. People treat it like pub 2.0…

Isn’t much that can be done about that unfortunately…unless the population suddenly grows huge there isn’t going to be much but uneven groups because the matchmaker will just match you up with anyone against premades just to save you time.

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The problem is that rather than make ranked enjoyable and not frustrating, SD has decided to basically just pay people to play ranked. This has been going on for quite a while too.
I’ve always avoided it mainly because of how personal performance isn’t a factor. If I happen to get stuck with a shitty team and dragged down because of that, the match is no longer fun. When it goes well, ranked is great, but most of the time it’s even worse balanced than pubs.
Sure you can pay people to suffer through it, or you could make it less frustrating by actually accounting for your own performance to make it feel like you at least have some hope even on a level 7 team.
But no, fuck that, pokemon cards.

(doxjq) #16

The reason ranked is as broken as it is when it comes to balance though is because the player base is so small. If Dirty Bomb had 50,000 players playing during peak times, you’d have a much better chance of finding fair games.

There is no perfect way to balance a game when there is literally only hundreds (if even that) playing ranked.

But besides the point, yeah we all know ranked matchmaking can be pretty bad, but 8v8 certainly isn’t the answer lol.

(n-x) #17

[quote=“STARRYSOCK;c-227784”] Like I said, they’re pretty obsessed with ranked, and I’d expect them to mention a major change to fix its balance.
I sure as hell hope they have something up their sleeve, but well, my hopes aren’t as high as I’d like.[/quote]

I know they claim that ranked is the core of Dirty Bomb and so on, but I dont see in the slightest how they are obsessed with ranked.

There is no natural feeling evolution from being a beginner to play ranked. You play rambo style on clusterfuck overcrowded servers and then suddenly you should be capable of functioning in a team of 5 with FF on. If SD were be obsessed with ranked, they would in some way make the casual experience a preparation for ranked. (If CMM comes out this could be the first step in this direction).

Ranked was down for months without any official alternative. So they basically took out their core game mode for months. Doesnt seem too obsessed for me. After it’s return they basically just fixed some connection problems, introduced the new match making system, and introduced some shiny cards. If they were really obsessed with ranked they should have done more stuff in those months. Maybe they should have taken a look at DBN to find out, that merc bans is a thing that improves the competitive experience, that thunder seems to be very problematic, that they should take another look at burst rifles, that one merc per team is a thing over there.

I always thought they just say ranked is their main focus and in reality the crafting and collecting aspect of the game is their true main thing as there is the money. But after they havent done anything since months to the messed up crafting system. I am not sure, if they really have any actual plan or focus right now.

(RectalTerror) #18

Maybe you should’ve stopped at that.
Also “And, ranked would suck a lot less if it was 8 vs 8. I have no clue why it’s 5 vs 5”
Cause the game and maps were built around 5v5 gameplay. If you want 8v8 go play your crappy shitstorm dome pub matches; i promise you they’ll be just as unbalanced

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Hum what? So the majority of the game is played as 8 or 7 vs 7, while it was made for 5 vs 5?
I don’t even remember the alpha’s being 5 vs 5, btw.

I should add, I’m missing what I liked in Enemy Territory: fun servers. Zero-respawn time, 20 vs 20 servers were very fun back then. Maybe times have changed, but I still think that DB is missing such servers.

(RectalTerror) #19

[quote=“K1X455;c-227786”][quote=“376E1AE459B1;d-36477”]
I have no clue why it’s 5 vs 5. [/quote]
The idea of 5v5 (I believe) is to have at least at least 1 class representation in a match, [list]Namely[]Objective specialist[]Medic[]Fire Support[]Assault[*]Recon[/list]

EDIT: it doesn’t have to be this way all the time, but you do get the idea, don’t you?
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Yeah, and that’s fine, but that applies to clan-based matches.

You can’t pick 5 random people & expect them to spread well. With 8, then maybe you have a chance that 5 or 6 will pick useful classes, and the rest will snipe.

As 5 vs 5, if you start with 2 snipers, well, you’re fucked, you can already leave… except that you’re not allowed to. You’re punished for having been randomly put in a shit team. Or you can keep playing and hope that the other team is as shitty, or that maybe one of their members will disconnect. But even “winning” this way is no fun.

(K1X455) #20

Fine words there…

I understand your utmost frustration (let alone, having to deal with the punishment of being in the same team with a hacker, and those that didn’t care to vote off the pundit).

I sent you a PM relating a video footage I have, before someone gets the ire of seeing something remotely related to the thread.