Raise Vassily price and add warning text

[Amerika]

[quote=“DeMS;179192”]Maybe we should rather scrap overall account levels in favor of character levels, so if you see a terrible lvl1 Vassili, you know he’s learning, but if you see a lvl20+ Vassili, he’s just fooling around or just downright terrible.

I’m going to need some help here, but if I remember correctly @Amerika said (and hopefully can clarify), that there actually used to be merc levels sort of like what you’re describing. I believe he’s been petitioning to get levels as we know it removed and get something merc-related put back in. I don’t remember specifics, but I remember loving his idea and not understanding why it was changed in the first place…

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Yup. All mercs used to have an individual level that capped out at 10. If you hit 10 you unlocked all of their taunts I believe. It was scrapped for reasons I don’t know and only account level was shown.

Luckily Exedore confirmed that account levels will still exist in the future but they won’t be shown. I’d still prefer some kind of system that encourages leveling up for people who enjoy that and you get neat little perks like taunts/cards/something but I’ll take simply removing account levels for now.

[ClemClem7]

Maybe add a 1-game-test for every merc, or 10minutes-test. So new players can test all merc before buying the first before testing all in rotations. If they see they suck a lot with vassili, and are better with arty, more will buy arty as first merc.
Or add a offline bot server. So they can try all mercs with a bot.

[Icecoal]

I’d say deal with it

[Sinee]

Luckily Exedore confirmed that account levels will still exist in the future but they won’t be shown. I’d still prefer some kind of system that encourages leveling up for people who enjoy that and you get neat little perks like taunts/cards/something but I’ll take simply removing account levels for now.

I’d prefer the same thing but c’est la vie. SD tends to want to do the opposite of things that are good for the game for some reason I’ll never understand. But hang on, he confirmed that levels won’t be shown? Any other info on when that’s going to happen? Would take so much pressure off. lol

[Amerika]

[quote=“Amerika;179222”]Luckily Exedore confirmed that account levels will still exist in the future but they won’t be shown. I’d still prefer some kind of system that encourages leveling up for people who enjoy that and you get neat little perks like taunts/cards/something but I’ll take simply removing account levels for now.

I’d prefer the same thing but c’est la vie. SD tends to want to do the opposite of things that are good for the game for some reason I’ll never understand. But hang on, he confirmed that levels won’t be shown? Any other info on when that’s going to happen? Would take so much pressure off. lol[/quote]

Yeah, on the Warchest forums he wrote a while back that when the queuing system for casual pubbing hits that levels won’t be shown. I don’t have a link right now but it was definitely confirmed. And yeah it will let people who have been playing longer take a break from try-harding all the time in order to avoid trolls.

[Herr_Hanz]

why dont we lock skyhammer as well and add a warning: “people will try to votekick you when you do not give ammo”. trust me, every class has noobs that go 3/15 in a match.

every class (assault, support, medic, sniper, objective) needs to have a 30k character, because they are a basic nessecity for every starting player.

you start out with two basic mercs. one medic (aura), and one support/assault(skyhammer). after that you have a choice:
if you want a basic engineer you get proxy for 30k
if you want a basic medic you get sawbonez for 30k
if you want a basic sniper you get vassili for 30k

do you want a more advanced assault merc you buy fragger for 50k
do you want a more advanced medic merc you buy sparks for 50k
and so on.

learning to aim for the head needs to be better taught in the tuturial.
knowing the maps is needed for every merc. not just vassili.

[frostyvampire]

That would just suck. The whole point is that there’s a cheap merc for each role so new players can experience the role and see if they like it. Because if they don’t, they will end up wasting only 30k credits instead of 50k.
He is the most simple recon to use, just throw a sensor somewhere near a wall, camp and shoot. Aimee needs to first find good spots for the SNITCH and Redeye needs to learn how to use the smoke to make the most of it
Also Vassili is a very useful merc if given to the right hands
A single headshot can insta kill any merc (excluding Thunder and Rhino). Even if you miss the head the enemy will stay with under 50% health, forcing them to fall back and heal
He is the best recon at the moment due to the fact his sensor grants the entire team a wallhack and even if it gets destroyed recharge is not that long (some times you can throw it to spots where the enemy team CAN’T destroy it at all). Redeye has to see you to spot, Aimee’s SNITCH has half the range and can always be destroyed easily. Oh and it can’t even spot enemies through walls
He can use both of the best snipers (MOA and FEL-IX) are all available for him, unlike Redeye which can’t even use a bolt action (making him the worst at killing if you don’t abuse the smoke well) and Aimee which only has the FEL-IX (so 1/3 chance to get a good gun and not being stuck with an auto sniper).

Besides, it doesn’t matter if you have 5 Vassilis in a pub, I can guarantee it won’t happen in ranked and pubs are just made for fun and missions

[DexterGrif]

[quote=“DeMS;179192”]Maybe we should rather scrap overall account levels in favor of character levels, so if you see a terrible lvl1 Vassili, you know he’s learning, but if you see a lvl20+ Vassili, he’s just fooling around or just downright terrible.

I’m going to need some help here, but if I remember correctly @Amerika said (and hopefully can clarify), that there actually used to be merc levels sort of like what you’re describing. I believe he’s been petitioning to get levels as we know it removed and get something merc-related put back in. I don’t remember specifics, but I remember loving his idea and not understanding why it was changed in the first place…

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Vote @Amerika for America 2016, the best force of change we’ve got!

[bontsa]

@Mercy Link to the thread @Amerika was speaking of: http://forums.warchest.com/showthread.php/49937-SD-could-you-hide-levels-already-for-gods-sake

Confirmed and extremely good to be so.

[SaulWolfden]

[quote=“FrostyVampire;179627”]That would just suck. The whole point is that there’s a cheap merc for each role so new players can experience the role and see if they like it. Because if they don’t, they will end up wasting only 30k credits instead of 50k.
He is the most simple recon to use, just throw a sensor somewhere near a wall, camp and shoot. Aimee needs to first find good spots for the SNITCH and Redeye needs to learn how to use the smoke to make the most of it
Also Vassili is a very useful merc if given to the right hands
A single headshot can insta kill any merc (excluding Thunder and Rhino). Even if you miss the head the enemy will stay with under 50% health, forcing them to fall back and heal
He is the best recon at the moment due to the fact his sensor grants the entire team a wallhack and even if it gets destroyed recharge is not that long (some times you can throw it to spots where the enemy team CAN’T destroy it at all). Redeye has to see you to spot, Aimee’s SNITCH has half the range and can always be destroyed easily. Oh and it can’t even spot enemies through walls
He can use both of the best snipers (MOA and FEL-IX) are all available for him, unlike Redeye which can’t even use a bolt action (making him the worst at killing if you don’t abuse the smoke well) and Aimee which only has the FEL-IX (so 1/3 chance to get a good gun and not being stuck with an auto sniper).

Besides, it doesn’t matter if you have 5 Vassilis in a pub, I can guarantee it won’t happen in ranked and pubs are just made for fun and missions[/quote]

There is no 30k Assault merc btw. Nobody is saying Vassili is bad, people are saying that a large majority of the people that end up playing him (usually buying him as their first merc) are terrible and contribute nothing of value to a team. The suggestion to up him to 50k is so that he is unlikely to be a person’s first merc purchase. He’s honestly one of the worst mercs someone starting out could buy as a first merc due to how difficult he is to learn, especially when a person is first picking up how to play the game.

[MTLMortis]

My name is MTLMortis and I approve of upping the price to 50k

[SzGamer2271]

Custom tailored tutorials that teach/elaborate on specific merc roles would be a much more reasonable approach than this half-baked and blatantly biased attempt to give sniper players the middle finger. Skyhammer is getting something of the sort in a coming update and the devs say they are working on more. A comprehensive Sniper tutorial is just as necessary as elaborate Medic and Engineer tutorials. Just because Vassili gets the most flak doesn’t mean we should slap a dunce cap on the guy and make Vassili players feel like noob trash who we don’t trust with a scoped rifle.

This thread does not look at the bigger picture. It’s very obvious that it has its roots in Vassili salt, because it’s only aimed at crudely solving a very narrow issue by using brute force.

[watsyurdeal]

People seem to be under the impression that they should dictate what people should play.

See, this is what I don’t get, you guys want public to fun but give people shit for playing what they want. Just deal with it, forcing people to play something else, or discouraging people from playing Sniper, is more detrimental to the game than the actual Snipers themselves.

[bontsa]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;179721”]People seem to be under the impression that they should dictate what people should play.

See, this is what I don’t get, you guys want public to fun but give people @$!# for playing what they want. Just deal with it, forcing people to play something else, or discouraging people from playing Sniper, is more detrimental to the game than the actual Snipers themselves.[/quote]

Despite me cringing when seeing people who clearly should not be using snippers, I wholeheartedly agree. As long as people dont assume that team will carry them to victory if they’re being the dead weight, I don’t mind Vas-silly’s. Some even take advice like not crouch shooting and standing still all the time. Gotta start somewhere ^^

However if they’re that type who go “nub tiim” after going 2/20, oh my days will I want to strangle them and hang to a tree from their barely-existent, non-descended balls. To think about it though that attitude is not class-related, but for some weird reason “that” player always seems to be running Vaseline or Phanty.

[Sinee]

[quote=“SzGamer227;179702”]Custom tailored tutorials that teach/elaborate on specific merc roles would be a much more reasonable approach than this half-baked and blatantly biased attempt to give sniper players the middle finger. Skyhammer is getting something of the sort in a coming update and the devs say they are working on more. A comprehensive Sniper tutorial is just as necessary as elaborate Medic and Engineer tutorials. Just because Vassili gets the most flak doesn’t mean we should slap a dunce cap on the guy and make Vassili players feel like noob trash who we don’t trust with a scoped rifle.

This thread does not look at the bigger picture. It’s very obvious that it has its roots in Vassili salt, because it’s only aimed at crudely solving a very narrow issue by using brute force.[/quote]

Thiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssss.

[teflonlove]

There’s a couple of reasons why an unskilled Vasili is worse than any other unskilled merc:

• Unskilled Vasilis camp in the back, do not really see what the more skilled players are doing and consequently can’t learn from them.
• Unskilled Vasilis miss their shots completely an do not contribute partial damage like any other unskilled player that delivery at least some random hits in close combat.
• Unskilled Vasilis camp in the back and never provide body cover for others. Not even accidentally.
• Unskilled Vasilis camp in the back and never act as distraction to make an opponent have to choose which one of the mercs in his vicinity to shoot at.

I also utterly suck with Vasili, but I rarely play him for more than 2 minutes per match (unless my team is the stronger one and my sucking does not keep it from winning).

[DarkMatterMatt]

none of them can hit the broad side of a Rhino

Hehe

[Cletus_VanDamme]

Lol some drama queens in this thread.

Nobody is attacking you or your sniper merc or sniper ways.

The fact is that it’s difficult to be an asset to your team when you’re new to this game, especially with Vassili. You can get 8-10k (and actually help your team) as a noob by dropping a health station or dropping ammo.

Just trying to make people more informed before they purchase the merc, as he’s quite difficult to play.

Comprehension people. At least read the OP before getting upset lol.

[SzGamer2271]

[quote=“Protector of the Outback;179919”]Lol some drama queens in this thread.

Nobody is attacking you or your sniper merc or sniper ways.

The fact is that it’s difficult to be an asset to your team when you’re new to this game, especially with Vassili. You can get 8-10k (and actually help your team) as a noob by dropping a health station or dropping ammo.

Just trying to make people more informed before they purchase the merc, as he’s quite difficult to play.

Comprehension people. At least read the OP before getting upset lol.[/quote]

Yeah, no. Your solution is crude and stems from targeting Vassili as the most problematic merc for new players to play, and is based entirely on your bad experience with bad Vassili players. You didn’t just stop at proposing that Vassili cost the same as everyone else. You say that there should be a warning message that tells new Dirty Bomb players that their sniping skills mean jack squat when they try to buy Vassili, yet your discrimination against him is so poorly veiled that you completely disregarded the other sniper mercs.

You don’t acknowledge the real problem. You aren’t looking for a comprehensive solution. You’re just bashing on Vassili, and the only people who agree with you have the same prejudice and lack of foresight on the matter that you do. There are real solutions to this problem, but you’re not going to be the one to find them, because you’re making the wrong suggestion for the wrong reasons.

interjecting here because I just went on a massive rant about losing faith in humanity

spoiler’d because it was starting to take up too much page space

because I am one of the people in this world who is still considerate of others

even if I don’t agree with a single word they say

[spoiler]It’s disturbing how many people let their hatred of Vassili cloud their reasoning.

Like… seriously.

I knew there was stigma against Vassili, but…

…you guys are insane.

This mindless “find any way to make Vassili go away” stuff is out of control.

This is why Naz!s were able to do what they did.

I mean, for god’s sake, I don’t even like Vassili, but I have the reasoning and foresight to see that this is a truly awful solution and a very bad mindset that y’all have on this issue.

Are people so hopelessly driven by prejudice that they don’t realize how bad this solution is?

That you can gloss over a comprehensive solution that gets all new players oriented to all aspects of Dirty Bomb, and instead target a very narrow manifestation of a much bigger underlying problem without thinking twice?

That you literally have no craps to give about what happens as long as Vassili is affected in a very negative way, because “Noob Vassilis are the worst thing in Dirty Bomb and I’m not even going to think of a single other issue I have with new players”?

Yeah.

This is why aliens don’t visit us.

Get your shit together.

This is not getting anywhere, no matter how many people agree with the hypothetical garbage you pile onto Vassili.

There’s a political term for this.

It’s called demagoguery.

It appeals to popular desires and prejudices rather than rational argument.

I honestly shouldn’t be surprised that this thread has so much support because of that.

After all, Donald Trump gets away with it.

Now he’s the frontrunner for the Republican party.

Because people honestly don’t give half a crap about being rational.

They don’t even know they’re doing it.

They just get excited about the wrong things.

And support things for the wrong reason.

Just because someone said something they liked.

They don’t go back and think “man that was some dumb shit I just said”.

They just continue on.

Oblivious to how obviously negative the impact of what they support is.

Even in the face of real solutions for real problems.

They don’t even know.

Or they just don’t care.

Either way, my faith in humanity is slipping ever more.

Donald Trump is actually a popular presidential candidate.

People care way too much about the Kardashians.

We can’t even handle a video game character without turning into Naz!s.

What is this world.

Anyways,

I think I’ve made my point by now.

Or perhaps you’ve just stopped reading.

Either way, my thoughts are coming to a close.

Might as well end this rant here.

Congratulations if you made it this far.

That’s quite impressive.

Hopefully you still have an ounce of faith in humanity left after this.

People are worth believing in.

Even if all to many of them prove your trust to be misplaced.

That is all.

Thanks for reading.

Or not.

I don’t know.

I just needed a place to vent.

I guess that place was here.

Cheers.[/spoiler]

[Cletus_VanDamme]

lol