RAD Around The World CUP Analysis

(Paul) #1


RAD Soldiers: Around The World CUP Results/Analysis
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FIRST PLACE GOES TO
EL-CO and Ciakgb

SECOND PRIZE IS FOR
Kinonez21
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Congratulations to our winners! They will soon be awarded with their prizes as promised :slight_smile:

Of course, we will run ANOTHER cup very soon! psst: with even higher amounts of bux to win! But before we do, weā€™ll be running an analysis of this cup again to see if there should be specific points in a ruleset. The goal is to provide a more specified ruleset for next time to prevent any issues slowing it down (unfair maps/position etc).

If you want to reply to this extensively, please do so but also provide a very minimalistic shortlist of information so when scanning this topic a keyword list is easily created.

As last: for the next cup Iā€™d like to have a co-admin thatā€™s also active. The only requirement is that you will be in the European timezone (somewhere between GMT -1 and GMT +3) to make communication through chat easily possible. If you want to apply for this please send me a PM and you will hear from me :slight_smile:
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Set Rules (Storyline)
All matches will be played with 26 points and will have predetermined maps. The tournament will consist of two stages, the first one is a group stage. We will use seeds based on previous results to make sure the players are evenly distributed across the groups. In the group stage you will play two maps against each opponent. Of all groups, a predefined amount of players(*) will go to the bracket stage (the teams with the highest amount of points in the group)**. If you win a match (2 maps) you will get 3 points (in total, not for each map) and the opponent gets zero point. If itā€™s a draw, you both get 1 point (in total, not per map!). In the bracket stage you will play 3 maps against each opponent. If you win at least 2 of the 3 maps you will advance to the next round. This is the so called ā€˜upper bracketā€™. If you lose, you will go to the loser bracket and you will need to play against opponents there. In this lower bracket, you still have a chance making it to the grand final by beating every team that moves to the lower bracket. You can see how that looks like for example on this page:
http://trackbase.net/game-rad/c2/RAD-Around-the-World

For all matches, it will be randomly generated who goes first, if you need to go first on the first map, you will go second on the second map and first again in a possible third map. The ā€˜homeā€™ player starts at first. The ā€˜homeā€™ player is the player that is first in the match name, for example. The Netherlands - Germany. The Netherlands will start in this case.

If a game ends in a way both teams are stuck and are basically unable to make any forward moves anymore (so itā€™s basically keeping running around only), you can agree on a replay of the map. In this case, the user that started the map and set the first move should now go second. If you have more than 15 turns without action, itā€™s also considered as a dead end.

  • This will be set at the start of the cup, when itā€™s known how many subscribed players we have.
    ** You will gain points by winning or playing draws. If the match ends in a draw, both teams will get 1 point, if you win, you will get 3 points and the loser will get none.

Set Rules (In Summary)

  • All matches will be 26 points
  • All matches will have (a) predetermined map(s).
  • Seeds will be applied for the group stage
  • Home player goes first, then ā€˜outā€™ player, then for 3 maps the home player again.
  • In the Group Stage you will play only 2 maps per match
      • If you win, you get 3 points (in total, not per map), loser gets 0
      • If itā€™s a draw, you get 1 point, and the opponent gets 1 point (in total, not per map).
  • In the Bracket Stage you will play a best of 3 maps.
  • The upper bracket finalist will start with a 1-0 advantage in the grand final (1*)
  • If a game dies, replay the map

Probable Rules

  • Some maps will need to be excluded to make the game more fair: the list for now: Favela & Old Town

Taken into consideration
[strike]- Allowed squads[/strike]

(1*) A lot of questions are related to this point, mostly WHY.
Quoted from wikihow

The reason for this is that it should be a benefit coming from the upper bracket (you won EVERYTHING) over that you lost once. This system is used in any major game cup, similar to CoD/ET/BF etc.

(Sandman77) #2

Where to begin my comrade Paul :slight_smile:

I think its important for a tournament that all have the same toons, same setup and predetermined maps. Id also sugest 20 Points game with a time limit to complete. Each round ONE game, in the finals best of 3ā€¦

All having same setup might be boring to many but what is the skill in winning a game against someone who does not have a medic? OK, I could say where is the fun in that? Is a tournament there to test skill or fun factor???

I love crazy games but if I consider the fairness, it is most time not fair at all. To me a tournament should always be fairā€¦

I dont think we have time to have many games in a round, so ONE game a round is good with a time limit to finish. The one who does not reply in time is outā€¦ We all have our Iphones and PCs with us so there is really no excuse to have someone wait 3 days for a replyā€¦

I also think if all paid a fee to enter, we would eliminate those who end up quitting and needing tons of time to replyā€¦

(Paul) #3

Iā€™ve updated my main post with pretty much everything you said, about the fee: that might be an idea for a future tournament but for the upcoming one we wonā€™t use that. As for the rest: my main ā€˜concernā€™ is about whether to have allowable squads as you suggested. I believe that since the last balancing update itā€™s all quite fair but I can imagine it is a good idea to disallow certain characters to prevent a squad to be heavily overpowered.

(Armedmanus) #4

I (personally) think the tournament needs a lot more structure / rules.

First: Some maps (as El-Co mentioned at the end of the last tournament) greatly benefits the first player, compared to other maps. So I think maps need to be selected very carefully.

Second: I donā€™t think there should be multiple toons. (I know this will cause a big debate and has already in past posts) and yes I love to use multiple toons too, but for a tournament, I think you need some kind of even ground.

Third: Players need to be willing to play and not just disappear. I know this is next to impossible to fix but I was annoyed when I got kicked out in the first round and then for the rest of the tournament I read so many people were not even playingā€¦ I donā€™t see how itā€™s hard to play even 1 turn a day and you should not join a tournament if you canā€™t play more then 1 turn a day.

(KINONEZ21) #5

I Would like the next Tournament to be a 26 point games. we already have the top three in 14 and 20.

There should always be a predetermined map for every match, from the start (unlike this past cup)

I disagree with Sandman, on one point, the one match game. I liked the way this cup ran. one game in the group and three on the brackets. this should remain this way, at least in the top bracket. I give you Mitsid-EL-COā€™s example, I believe Mitsid won the first match, yet lost the remaining two.

although a final has never been played, I would sujest a best out of three with the winner of the fist bracket having a 1-0 in his favor, this means two matches in the final in which the winner of the second bracket must win both to claim victory.

(Mitsid) #6

First I would like to thank Paul for this great tourney.
2. I agree with Kinonez that next tourney should be 26point. Many good players are waiting for such cup ( for example SuperNge).
3. I like the structure of this cup. I believe we should not change the bracket system. This system gave ciakgb the second chance and he used it to become a champion.
4. On the group stage in my group there were 3 very strong players (kinonez, strychzilla and myself) but only 2 of us could make it to the next stage. Strychzilla was the unlucky one. At the same time some weak players from other groups could get to the brackets. To avoid such situation in future I suggest we should be Seeded on the group stage in some way.
4. The map issue. I suggest to exclude Favela and Old town to avoid problems.
5. no squad limits please. Just let everyone show the best he can with any toons he wants.

(Paul) #7

Iā€™ve updated the list on top, I think I want to agree with the following

  • Some maps shouldnā€™t be used; please name a list of ā€˜unfairā€™ maps. I can remember Favela was a problem, and Mitsid also suggested banning Old Town.
  • 26 Points matches: I think we indeed should go for this as weā€™ve hadnā€™t had this kind of competition yet
  • No squad limits: would be fun indeed, a free choice of your best players.
(KINONEZ21) #8

[QUOTE=Mitsid;470952]First I would like to thank Paul for this great tourney.
2. I agree with Kinonez that next tourney should be 26point. Many good players are waiting for such cup ( for example SuperNge).
3. I like the structure of this cup. I believe we should not change the bracket system. This system gave ciakgb the second chance and he used it to become a champion.
4. On the group stage in my group there were 3 very strong players (kinonez, strychzilla and myself) but only 2 of us could make it to the next stage. Strychzilla was the unlucky one. At the same time some weak players from other groups could get to the brackets. To avoid such situation in future I suggest we should be Seeded on the group stage in some way.
4. The map issue. I suggest to exclude Favela and Old town to avoid problems.
5. no squad limits please. Just let everyone show the best he can with any toons he wants.[/QUOTE]

I agree with all of this! Although if we are going to exclude some maps, would expansion maps be avialable? I understand this might be unfair to certain player who donā€™t own these maps, especially since some consider the first player to have a somewhat advantage, I woud sujest to resolve this issue after we have all the participants confirmed. They could apply to the cup confirming wheather they own the expasions or not, and if they are willing to play with them or not.

(Shiek93) #9

Paul I dont understand this part of the rules

  • Bracket Stage will be only 1 map
  • Knockout Stage will be best of 3 (including the final!)

I agree with 26 point
Expansion maps even though i donā€™t own them, but would exclude lapa
I think grouo stage should have two matches per person, win twice 3, lose twice 0, a tie 1-1

(Armedmanus) #10

I like the idea of at least two matches for group stage also
We had a lot of ties in this last tournament which made it hard to decide who goes through.

(iwound) #11

Very interested in this.
But what is the reason for -

The upper bracket finalist will start with a 1-0 advantage in the grand final.

(Ciakgb) #12

If it were up to me, I would do this:

A quad system, groups of four players, one top seed per quad is the quad leader and scorekeeper. Everyone in the quad plays everyone else twice on same map, all at once (six games). 24 hour time limit on moves, when the icon says ā€œOne dayā€ you can screen shot and claim victory, unless an arrangement has been made for special reasons (bereavment, etc).

The next round, more quads are created with the winners of the previous quads. In the case of say six quad winners, two highest second place finishers move to next round to make multiples of four.

I would do 26 points, if for no other reason than SuperNge might play:)

I would also make an honor code of rules, like not quiting and redoing your squad once you see first move, stuff like that.

Draw rules should be agreed on.

Even if you donā€™t like the quads, a simple fair fix to the first move problem is simply to play both sides of each map.

I could do some more, but I wanted to see what you guys come up with.

Quads continue until the final quad is filled, which would be for all the marbles.

(Ciakgb) #13

I would require level rank of 40ā€¦

If you do stick with the brackets, the finals really is impossible for the undercard. If I had won two games and drawn two, I still would have lostā€¦

Isnā€™t there a swag closet at Splash? How about a Rad T-shirt or mousepad or sumptinā€™?

(Armedmanus) #14

I like the level 40 limit also.

(iwound) #15

Maybe have only those with 2000+ posts :tongue:

(Ciakgb) #16

I did think of you actually iwound, and the other new people who came over with the chrome port. Youā€™ll be at 40 before you know it, and donā€™t you want that bee bomb?

:slight_smile:

(iwound) #17

meh! the bee bomb looks more fun than useful. Still lots of other stuff to try yet.

(Paul) #18

Nope, only the default + RIO Maps as selection since else we can encounter problems with that.

[QUOTE=Shiek93;471044]Paul I dont understand this part of the rules

  • Bracket Stage will be only 1 map
  • Knockout Stage will be best of 3 (including the final!)

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My apologies, very confusing, chosen the wrong words, topic updated.

[QUOTE=iwound;471064]Very interested in this.
But what is the reason for -[/QUOTE]

Itā€™s a general rule in competition - itā€™s used everywhere.

(Paul) #19

Furthermore, Iā€™m against limits in levels and that kinda things as we want the largest amount of possible players to join the tournament :slight_smile:

(iwound) #20

ok but what does it mean and why? as in i dont understand any of that. except that someone gets a 1-0 head start.