RAD Around The World CUP Analysis

(Mitsid) #21

Sorry but I dont understand what is the problem in using expansion maps? There are such great maps as suburbs and westminster! I believe all the true fans have all these maps. If we are concerned about the new players then may be we could consider the possibility of allowing the expansion maps only in the bracket stage?

(Ciakgb) #22

Definately need all the maps, you’ll sell some expansion packs:)

I’d like to see some side events. A random map, random squad tourney. A quick time control like an hour. No snipers. All snipers. No clones. All turrets, I don’t know, use our imaginations!

(Paul) #23

It means that the upper bracket winner will start with 1-0 in advance over the lower bracket winner. This means that the upper bracket winner only needs to win 1 match to win, and the lower bracket winner would need 2 matches to win the title.

Not sure about the expansion maps right now. Not sure if I could get the system reprogrammed for that as well on time but we’ll definitely consider this next time.

(Ciakgb) #24

The other way is the swiss system I described at great length earlier in another thread. You could play 4-5 rounds in a weekend and have a clear winner.

(Sandman77) #25

So is the tournament for fun or for skill testing? I think that should be cleared first…

I had this cool idea, what if we all post our set squad options here? In the entire tournament we only use the SAME squad/setup in all Matches…

Now that would be cool…

I also liked 2 Matches in first round…

(Paul) #26

We can’t do that because (at least for this cup) we’d want as many people as possible. Also people that are not on these forums :slight_smile:

We’ll be playing 2 matches in the group stage, that’s for sure now.

The main lines are set: things which are still important are:

  • Which maps will be filtered out. Favela and which others? I saw someone saying something about old town?
(Mitsid) #27

Paul, the problem with Old town is that very often players do not want to move forward in this map, because the player who moves first to the center has a high risk to lose. If we do not want the matches to last forever I advice to exclude this map.

(Paul) #28

Thanks, will put it on the list.
I’ve also updated the top post with more information about the bracket system.

(Armedmanus) #29

I would also say that bridge is the same as old town… People will just hide in the back and expect their opponents to move first to the center so they can take them out. It’s funny seeing them get mad at you when you don’t move and complain that you are not playing… :stuck_out_tongue: then it becomes a stale mate until one person gives up.

(Mitsid) #30

No, I will disagree with that. After the last update the bridge is played in a different way. You cant hide and wait, it will not work anymore.

(iwound) #31

thanks Paul for updating rules with full explanation.
I now understand that lower bracket means a second chance for losers to move forward and thats why upper bracket have advantage as they won earlier.

(Ciakgb) #32

But you have to play an extra round, so really the finals rules are a joke. Once again, you could not lose a game at all, win two, and lose!

Also Paul you are zipping ahead like everything is worked out, not even close.

Sandman, I suggested the set squad ages ago, paired with random maps this would be the coolest. What squad would you use if your life depended on it and you had no idea what map was next? Very fun and challenging.

I disagree that any map is unfair if played twice. A lot of people’s notions about these maps are pre patch. Old town for example moves pretty quick now. Favella is much harder for both sides now, I think. I mean really, some of early maps are just as bad, train comes to mind.

Limiting to just the original maps I think is a terrible idea, they are so boring after a while! You don’t have exclude new players, as long as one player has the map, he issues first challenge and for the second game the other guys uses replay function.

(Ciakgb) #33

Or make a 40 class and another under 40 class…

(Paul) #34

[QUOTE=Ciakgb;471326]But you have to play an extra round, so really the finals rules are a joke. Once again, you could not lose a game at all, win two, and lose!
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Hmm…? I think you didn’t got it. That is not how it works. If you are from the upper bracket you only have to win 2, then you are grans final winner. If you are from the lower bracket, you need to win 2x to be the grand final winner.

I disagree that any map is unfair if played twice. A lot of people’s notions about these maps are pre patch. Old town for example moves pretty quick now. Favella is much harder for both sides now, I think. I mean really, some of early maps are just as bad, train comes to mind.

So you are saying that since the patch all default maps (+RIO) are good to play? Can some other people also confirm this please :slight_smile:

Limiting to just the original maps I think is a terrible idea, they are so boring after a while! You don’t have exclude new players, as long as one player has the map, he issues first challenge and for the second game the other guys uses replay function.

We will not use maps that are not in the vanilla game. For the next tournament we will definitely be using some kind of system that allows you to fill in which expansion packs you own and if you want to play those maps.

(Ciakgb) #35

I was told that in our four round final, I had to win three. That means two draws for him and two wins for me would still be a win for him. The extra round is the play in round that the lower bracket has to go through that the upper does not. To me that should negate the fact that the upper hadn’t lost a match.

I’m not saying there are not maps that are scewed, just that if you played both sides that would negate the advantage, yes?

(Paul) #36

Yes that is correct, but last time we did a best of 5. This meant he had to win 2 and you had to win 3 to win the final.
This time we’re just going for a best of 3 like the other upper bracket matches.

I see what you mean by the maps thing, I just like confirmation of the change by multiple people to see if everyone agrees consistently on that :wink:

(Ciakgb) #37

Also I thought trackbase was terrible and confusing. Can’t you just run it all from the forums? I thought one of the goals was to increase site traffic…

I would do away with the screenshots too. They add a layer of complexity and as far as I know no one has ever disputed a result.

Shame no suburbs, Lapa, centro, construction…what about for second round? If a newbie made it that far maybe they’d buy an expan to continue…

(Paul) #38

We already made some improvements to make things more clear. Obviously that didn’t really work out for you (yet). I’d like to know exactly what the problem is so we can solve these issues. You may also drop this info in my PM.

I would do away with the screenshots too. They add a layer of complexity and as far as I know no one has ever disputed a result.

But if a problem arises and people do not agree on the score, it will be a problem and both teams need to be disqualified. We’re just saying it’s wise to take them just in case. Certainly with the computer, it’s very easy now to do so.

Shame no suburbs, Lapa, centro, construction…what about for second round? If a newbie made it that far maybe they’d buy an expan to continue…

There will definitely be a next cup after this as well so don’t worry about that.

(Ciakgb) #39

Trackbase didn’t handle draws well. We need to decide on how to score those, how two players agree, what if one doesn’t, that sort of thing.

Registering scores was weird and took many tries and frequently had to be edited. The system did not handle screenshots of each victory, only the penultimate one.

Actually screenshot on my mac is more complex than on a pc, I have to look up how to do it. The screen resolution can result in too big a file for posting, its more of a hassle than you’d think to keep 6 or 7 screenshots straight, especially if you are playing on mulitple devices. I’m not saying its impossible or anything, just if there was a simpler way (like just checking the logs in the very rare instance there is a dispute), I vote that.

As for subsequent cups being better so don’t worry about getting this one right, I think that’s the “charge in” problem we’ve had the last two. Its worth ironing out all these details so that huge ugly messy self destructive fights don’t break out (I have no idea to what I am refering:))

(Paul) #40

[QUOTE=Ciakgb;471360]Trackbase didn’t handle draws well. We need to decide on how to score those, how two players agree, what if one doesn’t, that sort of thing.

Registering scores was weird and took many tries and frequently had to be edited. The system did not handle screenshots of each victory, only the penultimate one.
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Because half scores can never be entered. 2.5 - 2.5 isn’t a score. Should have been 3-3 or something. The clarification and updated page is on the todo list as well.
About the screenshots: didn’t know that - will look into that as well asap.

I have contacted SD multiple times about a way to hook up in this database but they are just too busy at the moment with everything happening around (Batman, Extraction etc…) which I also understand. I still hope to get this in the future but cannot promise anything at the moment.