punks busted harder now


(uber_noob) #21

You don’t need to install the hacks, just start them from a disk or download them first. This will work on most systems there (unless the background virus scanner sees the hack as a virus).

True, but you only had to reinstall the OS in the worst case. Now you can lock out the players for quite a big amount of online games, until they buy new hardware.

Agreed. I remember some time ago on RTCW there were some pb versions that hard crashed my system (this was resolved when the pb_system option was added). When one of those crashes occured I was reported as “hacking PB” on the server. If this would have led to a global hardware related ban I would have been very angry.

The new ETPro guids are equal to this and are already working very well. So again no need for PB here.


(Sick Boy) #22

True, but you only had to reinstall the OS in the worst case. Now you can lock out the players for quite a big amount of online games, until they buy new hardware.[/quote]

Reinstalling OS or even the PB ban is most definitely not worst case scenario.

The new ETPro guids are equal to this and are already working very well. So again no need for PB here.[/quote]

Maybe, I don’t know much about the etpro anti-cheat system, but there is more to ET than etpro, and more PB-games than just ET.


(Fenris) #23

The leagues require PB, quite hard to argue with… :wink:


(RAV3N) #24

i think what they should do is not ban them for life but ban them for 6 months or so this means that still the cheaters will have a horribly large ban but it wont mean that the computer will never be able to run a pb server again which removes the problems of ppl buying 2nd hand computers etc.


(Depth_Charge) #25

Then the scare tactic is out the windows because the hackers will know they will get back on in a few months


(Sick Boy) #26

A few months of no online gaming would scare the shit out of me tbh :smiley:


(SCDS_reyalP) #27

Erm. That has been claimed, but not demonstrated.

TBH, after the initial success (mostly due to it being new, IMO), etpro AC hasn’t shown itself to be much more effective or less buggy than PB. Time will tell, but for the foreseeable future, I would rather have both.

Also, I would be very surprised if PB will detect (never mind issue bans for) cheats that have only been downloaded to the system, not run. It most certainly does not, and cannot, scan your whole HD.

As far as LAN centers/internet cafes go, there is a fairly simple solution… 1) state as policy that cheating is prohibited 2) state that anyone who causes a system (or CD key) to be banned will be required to pay for its replacement. Assuming proper auditing, this shouldn’t be too hard to enforce. If they refuse to pay, small claims court should provide reasonable recourse.


(RAV3N) #28

a day with no online gaming would scare me

also the cheat doesnt need to be run it just needs to be in the folder with the games .exe file


(Gambit) #29

if there is one thing i can thankfully rely on in this world, it is a cogent reply from SCDS.

truthfully, it may or may not be the best solution, but it is a start. And there may be issues down the road (e.g., someone buys banned comp, brother not able to play cause other brother cheated, etc), but there seems to be a huge witch hunt regarding cheating lately. and i do not think PB are behind it. Yes, there are cheats and cheaters out there. Playing on pub servers is really not much fun anymore because of the player attitudes: most people tend to overestimate their own playing abilities. When you own them, they accuse you of cheating, etc. I posted a screen cap one day on a clan website where their members banned me for “hacking” and insisted I was cheating. The invective and nasty comments were what prompted me to take the cap (the demo was good too). Out of 25 replies to my post, only 1 person noticed one thing and asked: how are you getting 125 FPS on radar?

Not a perfect system. There are plenty of gamers out there who do not cheat and most cheaters suck as players anyway–ergo, the reason they cheat. But a little rationality can go a long way. This is a start. It’s not perfect, but it’s a start. I doubt the ET Pro system will supplant Punkbuster. There are many issues that need to be worked out in both systems.

Now, the relevant question should be: when are activision going to hire the ET Pro team and when should they buy Evenbalance? Evenbalance has done a lot to try and help the community. They’re ripe for a deep pockets take over. And the Et Pro team, bani in particular, has done alot for Actvision over 2 games for nothing. Imagine having these technologies integrated from the publisher?

Bani would do well in making sure games go out with some nice features. If I were activision, I’d be all over him.


(SCDS_reyalP) #30

Evenbalance is a commercial company already, contracted by various vendors (including ones not associated with id or activision) to provide anticheat software. Presuming the ETPro team would want to be ‘bought’ is also a significant assumption. Mod makers have the freedom to do things right (or as they see fit), while commercial game makers have a lot of outside factors to deal with.

also the cheat doesnt need to be run it just needs to be in the folder with the games .exe file

Well, sort of. A cheat might be a dll that you put in a paricular place, but those are still ‘run’ in the sense that they get loaded into memory and their code gets executed. My point was that just the fact of having a cheat downloaded onto a computer is not likely to be noticed by PB. It has to actually be loaded.


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #31

maby, i found this cheat once and it placed its files in windows/system32 so i didnt go any furthur, i wasnt gona connect to a public server, i was gona start a server on my comp and see how people use these cheats and what they do


(Depth_Charge) #32

Why would you put it in the sytem32 folder? :open_mouth:


(mouse) #33

hacked opengl32.dll prolly.


(DG) #34

regarding the er, lets call them “universal global bans”, my take on it is these are ONLY for cheats that hack punkbuster itself, not any old cheat. Effectively, if they catch you hacking PB software they are trying to deny you from using PB software again. I really dont see a problem with this, at least in principle.

As for GUIDs based on hardware, it’s about time. Just hope it works properly with minimal hiccups.


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #35

it was prolly a virus, but i searched it and found nothing

anyway, it didnt work, started my own server and it didnt work, i joined a public server and it didnt work

so result, the hack didnt work :smiley:


(chr0nicles) #36

maby, i found this cheat once and it placed its files in windows/system32 so i didnt go any furthur, i wasnt gona connect to a public server, i was gona start a server on my comp and see how people use these cheats and what they do

i joined a public server and it didnt work

Must re…sist not to reply…


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #37

sorry, lol, its cos i expected it to work, i told every1 on the server what i was doing and they know i wasnt using it against them


(chr0nicles) #38

sorry, lol, its cos i expected it to work, i told every1 on the server what i was doing and they know i wasnt using it against them

Mmust Resist… not to… reply… :banghead:


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #39

wat, i wasnt shooting them, it was a wallhack, not aimbot


(RAV3N) #40

wow could u dig urself into a deeper hole