PSA for K/D Champions

(DirtyBuns) #1

This is for some of these so-called “K/D Champions” who rack up a lot of kills and then are angry that they lose and berate everybody with negative K/D on the team.

  1. Before you get mad. Consider looking at the score beside the K/D ratio. If the score is in the upper single thousands, it is probable that this Negative K/D player was actually Playing the Objective. In this case, it should have been your job as a “Champion Killer” to make sure these guys stayed alive.

  2. If you racked up a lot of kills and the team still lost, you have to consider perhaps that you were far away from the actual Objectives where your combat abilities could have probably contributed to the win. In this case, you have yourself as well to blame for the loss.

  3. Forget Execution. It’s gone. You have to learn how to PROTECT people who were playing the goddamn Objective!

Thanks.

(x3onn) #2

Why do you care if someone gets mad at you for having a bad K/D in the first place. Ignore them and go next game

(Your worst knifemare.) #3

I love those guys. My favorite part about them is when they call you “noob” and say “you suck” whenever I get even 1 less kill than death as Sparps (which is alot).

(Melinder) #4

Though it is a frequent occurrence where a “K/D Champion” will kill 5 out of 7 enemies, followed by the team losing in the remaining 2v6 fight. I feel sorry for all other K/D champions who go through this.

(DirtyBuns) #5

@x3onn said:
Why do you care if someone gets mad at you for having a bad K/D in the first place. Ignore them and go next game

Because… in reality these so called “Champs” are the ones who LOST us the match, by not providing cover fire for Engies.

Because… ironically some of us Engie/Medic mains have beef with these guys playing the game like “noobs” who presume that Dirty Bomb matches are won with KILLS.

Except it would take longer for us to make our point, so I put it here.

But no hard feelings. The game is still fun…just that their anger is misguided. :stuck_out_tongue:

(DirtyBuns) #6

@Melinder said:
Though it is a frequent occurrence where a “K/D Champion” will kill 5 out of 7 enemies, followed by the team losing in the remaining 2v6 fight. I feel sorry for all other K/D champions who go through this.

The problem I am referring to in that scenario is when so called “Champion” allows the 2 enemies to nail the 1 guy who was planting C4 for the team. He should have left “another 2” alive elsewhere and made sure the 5 he killed created the “strategic opening”.

(Szakalot) #7

@DirtyBuns the amount of entitled engineers who lemming the objective and then whine about not getting cover is out of control.

if you ever plant C4 and die planting - its entirely your fault. no other player can ‘cover you’ as if it was a band of brothers rerun : game is fast and any left alive enemy can theoretically come out of nowhere and rek you. It is your responsibility and yours alone to do obj when its CLEAR.

and what do high kill players do? they help you CLEAR

(DirtyBuns) #8

@Szakalot said:
@DirtyBuns the amount of entitled engineers who lemming the objective and then whine about not getting cover is out of control.

if you ever plant C4 and die planting - its entirely your fault. no other player can ‘cover you’ as if it was a band of brothers rerun : game is fast and any left alive enemy can theoretically come out of nowhere and rek you. It is your responsibility and yours alone to do obj when its CLEAR.

and what do high kill players do? they help you CLEAR

OK… I agree! But I had a very specific situation where it was Underground, and the Champion was nowhere inside the Medbay. It occurred to me later that he was really a Vas hiding somewhere and racking up 25 kills but allowing enemies to just control the Medbay.

I admit, maybe I’m a bit of an Engie Lemming (especially if clock is running down as… what can you do?), but we needed this “Killer” to HELP wipe out the Medbay! I kept blowing open the North door… the South door… the North Door again… there was no push into the Medbay… and certainly no sign of this “champion” who threw a tantrum at the end of the match.

I wanted to tell him I got more D’s on account of him not killing the right people in the right places leaving me to just kamikaze the Medbay when the clock was running down.

(AlbinMatt) #9

Well I have a negative K/D, and finish matches with around three digits of score, so…

(Shenaynays) #10

There’s a difference between killing everyone, and killing smartly and thats my main issue with these “KD Champions”. They blindly kill with no regard for the timer, they can rack up tonnes of kills but that doesnt matter if you kill them when they have 2 seconds until the respawn

(LifeupOmega) #11

No matter how many people I kill, it doesn’t matter when the objective players suicide rush the objective and then get mad cause they died.

Kill shit, clear the enemy team, then plant or repair. Might work in pubs after 10 spawn waves but jesus christ it’s not a good habit.

(Szakalot) #12

@DirtyBuns sure, there are often players who are not ‘there’ when you need them, though it can be argued that knowing where to be at the right time is one of the most difficult things to learn in the entire game.Also, while that high kill vas didnt clear the objective itself, the kills definitely relieved the pressure significantly, maybe instead of having to fight 5people on obj, you only had to fight 3, etc.

I would look to other players in the team for blame

(watsyurdeal) #13

I don’t really get angry when we lose, but I do wonder what was my team doing when one player’s score equates to the rest of the entire team, combined.

And typically the only reason I get so many is because I’m on the point actively.

(GatoCommodore) #14

@Szakalot said:
@DirtyBuns the amount of entitled engineers who lemming the objective and then whine about not getting cover is out of control.

if you ever plant C4 and die planting - its entirely your fault. no other player can ‘cover you’ as if it was a band of brothers rerun : game is fast and any left alive enemy can theoretically come out of nowhere and rek you. It is your responsibility and yours alone to do obj when its CLEAR.

and what do high kill players do? they help you CLEAR

-band of brothers rerun

(Melinder) #15

@DirtyBuns

@Szakalot said:
I would look to other players in the team for blame

This is the answer to your scenario.

The “Champions” are setting up the team for an easy win, and they are not at fault if the team fails to win a battle that they should be winning. If the team can’t win in a 6v2 kind of situation, then they don’t deserve to win.

(Sairdontis) #16

@DirtyBuns said:
This is for some of these so-called “K/D Champions” who rack up a lot of kills and then are angry that they lose and berate everybody with negative K/D on the team.

  1. Before you get mad. Consider looking at the score beside the K/D ratio. If the score is in the upper single thousands, it is probable that this Negative K/D player was actually Playing the Objective. In this case, it should have been your job as a “Champion Killer” to make sure these guys stayed alive.

  2. If you racked up a lot of kills and the team still lost, you have to consider perhaps that you were far away from the actual Objectives where your combat abilities could have probably contributed to the win. In this case, you have yourself as well to blame for the loss.

  3. Forget Execution. It’s gone. You have to learn how to PROTECT people who were playing the goddamn Objective!

Thanks.

The issue that you are going to run into is that many “K/D Champions” lack basic encounter and counter battlefield tactics. They yell at the Engineer mercs for “just running in and dying” with ironically they do this many times themselves though die less because the other side ( usually winning side ) ignore the guns blazing blitzer to focus on the players guarding/taking the object so of course they are going to have less deaths they in essence merely transferred the risk to the objective players.

The bottomline is that you are never going to convince these individuals that kills don’t = victory or a high bodycount guarantees a win. All you can do is defend or attack the obj area the best you can and cover/ support your allies and hope that the other team has more of these gloryfails than your team does.

(DirtyBuns) #17

@Szakalot said:
@DirtyBuns sure, there are often players who are not ‘there’ when you need them, though it can be argued that knowing where to be at the right time is one of the most difficult things to learn in the entire game.Also, while that high kill vas didnt clear the objective itself, the kills definitely relieved the pressure significantly, maybe instead of having to fight 5people on obj, you only had to fight 3, etc.

I would look to other players in the team for blame

The issue was the enemy started camping inside the Med Bay.
I would have had a Stoker or Fragger handy… (I have those guys sometimes for clearing purposes) but due to mission requirements I had neither.

(DirtyBuns) #18

Definitely, there’s something to be said for the rest of the guys not pushing into Medbay at that time. Funnily enough I frequently found myself dying right after planting the C4 only to realize the 2 or so guys who went with me were now dead at the North door. :pensive:

Then that Vas is yelling again… :pensive:

Another match on Vault we go in realizing we had 4 Proxies… And once again only one guy on Combat duty…

This got me thinking. Maybe in Quick Join we should be able to also check the following:

Select your preferred position:
A ) Assault
B ) Objective
C ) Medic

Now this does not mean your 3-man squad should be nothing but Engies or Medics or Assault guys. But it should be a flag that helps the game know what you like to do most of the time.

So it therefore factors that into the “balance” for two sides.

(DirtyBuns) #19

@watsyurdeal said:
I don’t really get angry when we lose, but I do wonder what was my team doing when one player’s score equates to the rest of the entire team, combined.

And typically the only reason I get so many is because I’m on the point actively.

That’s the keyword right there. SCORE. :slight_smile:

(DirtyBuns) #20

@Sairdontis said:

@DirtyBuns said:
This is for some of these so-called “K/D Champions” who rack up a lot of kills and then are angry that they lose and berate everybody with negative K/D on the team.

  1. Before you get mad. Consider looking at the score beside the K/D ratio. If the score is in the upper single thousands, it is probable that this Negative K/D player was actually Playing the Objective. In this case, it should have been your job as a “Champion Killer” to make sure these guys stayed alive.

  2. If you racked up a lot of kills and the team still lost, you have to consider perhaps that you were far away from the actual Objectives where your combat abilities could have probably contributed to the win. In this case, you have yourself as well to blame for the loss.

  3. Forget Execution. It’s gone. You have to learn how to PROTECT people who were playing the goddamn Objective!

Thanks.

The issue that you are going to run into is that many “K/D Champions” lack basic encounter and counter battlefield tactics. They yell at the Engineer mercs for “just running in and dying” with ironically they do this many times themselves though die less because the other side ( usually winning side ) ignore the guns blazing blitzer to focus on the players guarding/taking the object so of course they are going to have less deaths they in essence merely transferred the risk to the objective players.

The bottomline is that you are never going to convince these individuals that kills don’t = victory or a high bodycount guarantees a win. All you can do is defend or attack the obj area the best you can and cover/ support your allies and hope that the other team has more of these gloryfails than your team does.

This is definitely what happens I think in some cases where a team is off-balance. There is, for sure, a kind of team mix that works best. Say in an 8 man team you need probably 4 to 5 “Champions”, around 2 Medics and 1 or 2 Engies…

When there’s too few “Champions” or not enough “Champions” to cover an area effectively (a Vas does not “occupy territory”), then definitely the risks merely get transferred to “Non-champions”.

Also if same Vas commands the attention of a team Medic… then the strategy is put at further risk and so on…

This is why I also think you should be able to “call out your role” in Quick Join.

I find sometimes the games are better when I just go on Team Chat during the intro and say: “I’m Medic” or “I’m going to plant straight away… Kill them all, please.” BUT… saying that to a team of Aura/Proxy mains is of course… useless…Unless the Quick Join system sorted us out beforehand.