~Problem; please solve

(L2|B4tt3rY) #1

its not my problem its my brothers, but as he aint signed up here i will post for him

when he plays ET or any other online game all movement with keyboard is fine, but when moving with the mouse it starts to lag out fps wise, going down to about 4 fps. he has a good computer

2.6 gig AMD athlon
80 gig HD
1 gig DDR ram
GeForce 4 Ti4200

this doesnt happen when hes playing the game offline. ET is his main game, but hes tried kingpin, it gets the same problem but works offline, same with BF1942. he tried re-installing mouse drivers but only sees next option as formatting. is there n e other option or help?

(BondyBoy007) #2

sounds a strange one if it’s fine when not online !?

what mouse is it? is it connectected through USB? is your bro’s internet also through usb? have u tried the mouse without installing it’s drivers? have u tried connecting the mouse through ps2 if it is using USB at the mo?

no solutions from me sorry only questions :wink:

(CM..Punk) #3

I would try getting rid of the drivers and letting XP use the default ones. If you’re using XP that is. Seen so many ppl have problems with those funky mice with extra buttons, in all sorts of apps, usually removing the extra drivers fixes it.

(BondyBoy007) #4

yep I’ve got my mx mouse connected through PS2 without any drivers for it even near my system, all the buttons work without drivers anyway :slight_smile:

(petameta) #5

Maybe the problem is that the mouse and the network card use the same interrupt. This usually shouldn’t be a problem, but sometimes drivers are messed up and irq sharing is broken.

You can try to move the network card into another PCI-slot, so it uses a different IRQ. That’s of course only possible if it’s not an onboard-card. Also, maybe try to hook up the mouse to another USB-port. The other port may use a different USB controller, and so a different IRQ.

I think the things said above are only true for non-ACPI-installations. AFAIK, with ACPI enabled, all devices use the same IRQ (?). I don’t use Windows, so I don’t know exactly.

(_IRON_MAN_) #6

It is possible that it runs smooth offline but not online because there are many apps using the connection at the same time. I’m not saying this is what’s wrong, but it is a definate possibility. This problem is common among people who’s PC’s are filled with spyware, and when a connection exists, all the spyware apps start using it. You could test this by instaling Ad-Aware and Spybot and running them. Remove any and eveything they find. Restart the PC and then try the game online. If the speed problem improves markedly, you know why. It’s worth trying. I strongly suggest that anyone using the Net uses a good security app, like Norton Internet Security. A good firewall will help, but it will not keep all of the spyware out of the system.

The mouse has nothing to do with this problem. Even if it were using the same IRQ, the problem would exist both on and off line. So… the mouse is not the problem.

(L2|B4tt3rY) #7

it used to work fine, it just suddenly went like it, for no reason. its pretty annoying cause it means hell have to re-format and i wont get on the net for a bit :{

(_IRON_MAN_) #8

I suppose the mouse could be the problem if the video card and mouse were sharing resources. It is best to be sure that your video card is the only thing using it’s IRQ. You can check this during boot, but you have to be quick… hit the PAUSE button when the device list appears on screen and see if anything is using the same IRQ as the vid card, If it is, you have work to do if you want the best performance from that PC. You may have to physically move cards around repeately to get the vid card to not be sharing an IRQ with any other device.

This seams unlikely to be the problem however, as it should not effect performance as much as you have stated.

It’s possible also that a networking driver has become corrupted. You could try removing first, then reinstalling the modem or ethernet card drivers. Sometimes Windows will be kind enough to corrupt a driver for you. Win98 had this problem a lot more than XP does. The problem is more frequent when the user enables disk compression. Since WinXP, you are better off without compression at all, whereas with Win98, light compression often improved performance. But with more recent HD’s and WinXP, compression is not a good idea.

You didn’t say what kind of connection he has. Dial-up? DSL? It could also be the ISP. As a matter of fact, it could even be that his ISP has changed it’s routing, and now provides his connection from a different server in another place or state and that server is woosie for some reason. It’s not common, but this does happen. Perhaps call the ISP and ask if they have made any changes. I have cable and my connection is superb no matter what I am doing (although not every single game server gives me a good ping), but I get my Internet from a server connected to the Internet backbone that is 2 states away! Anyway, these are just thoughts.

Also, you didn’t say if the problem exists only with games, or with THIS game, or if it applies to anything he does online, like with the browser.

(SCDS_reyalP) #9

Spyware / virus / trojan can cause sudden changes like that, as can legitmate background aps. If you are sharing a connection, it could be caused by the other system.

If you haven’t already, set
cg_lagometer 1
cg_drawfps 1

and describe what happens to your lagometer and FPS when you lag.

(_IRON_MAN_) #10

The lagometer will do nothing but tell you what you already know - that you are having lag.

If the computer is an HP, Compaq, Dell, or other “name brand” pc, toss the keyboard in the trash and install a new one, and not one of those "multimedia keyboards. The drivers for the multimedia keys on such keyboards is an executable program that performs as spyware, constantly using your net connection. The HP keyboard EXE “driver” pings an HP server with data about what you are doing on your PC once every second - a well documented fact. NEVER by a “name brand” PC.

IF spyware is the problem, some of it may be “legit” apps that run in the system tray. Many of these things frequently use your connection, especially chat software (GAK!). If the system tray has anything that is not a video card or mouse controlling app made by the maker of the vid card or mouse, or if it is not a firwall or security app, close it. Right click on the icon and select “Exit”.

Install Ad-Aware and Spybot. Run them. If this does not cure the problem, let me know.

(SCDS_reyalP) #11

Incorrect.

If you know how to read the lagometer, it tells you what kind of lag you are having:
http://bani.anime.net/banimod/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3550

Furthermore, it will help him tell if the problem is truly FPS(as stated in the first post) or network.

If the computer is an HP, Compaq, Dell, or other “name brand” pc, toss the keyboard in the trash and install a new one, and not one of those "multimedia keyboards.

Incorrect.
While some of the driver software is crappy, and in a few cases may have addware/spyware etc., almost all of those devices work just fine as standard PS2 or USB keyboard. So rather than buying a keyboard, you can just uninstall the software. Yes, some of the special buttons may not work, but in most cases all the normal keys will.

I advise people to take what _IRON_MAN says with a very large grain of salt. He has repeatedly shown is ignorance about the game, computers as well as a complete immunity to logical argument. See his previous posts under the (now banned AFAIK) account “I R O N M A N”

(_IRON_MAN_) #12

SCDS_reyalP,

Your interest in trying to dog all that I say in these forums exceeds your understanding. You are quite incorrect. If you uninstall the executable keyboard driver for an HP computer, the HP keyboard will not function at all. Not even the standard keys. Nothing. You doubtlessly do not believe this, so investigate it for yourself, and you will learn that what I am saying is true. It’s so well documented that there are many forums on the Internet devoted to the problem of name brand keyboards no longer funtioning once you remove the driver. In fact, some anti-spyware applications identify these drivers and their sublings as spyware, and rightfully so.

As for keyboards not made by the maker of the PC, only the multimedia keys will not function if you use a standard Windows keyboard driver.

As for your thoughts of using the lagometer to determine if it is a video or network problem, this is a waste of time, since he has already stated that the problem only occurs when he is on-line. Thus, it would not be video, presuming that other games run smoothly off-line.

So… you are wrong on both counts.

I suspect that the recent installation of a program that heavily uses the net in the background, or spyware, is the problem. The best suggestion is to run the anti-spyware apps I suggested and come back here and tell us what if anything was removed by it. Reduce the apps running in the system tray. Once you have installed Ad-Aware and Spybot, run their internal update so you will have the latest referrence files before letting the apps search for spyware. Be aware that some spyware apps will intentionaly prevent many anti-spyware apps from installing to protect themselves. If this happens to you, start the PC in safe mode and cuatiosly go through your PC removing folders and files you suspect are spyware related. CAUTION. Know what you are doing first. Then install the anti-spyware and restart. However, if the PC is heavily innundated with spyware, you might be better off formatting and starting over, this time with Norton Internet Security or similar installed as the FIST THING you install after the OS and hardware drivers. If you install Norton Internet Security ($69.00), your payware problems are mostly over forever.

You can get both apps in this ZIP file I made for you:

http://home.jam.rr.com/director/Antispyware.zip

If these things prove not to be the problem, then the problem is likely a networking problem, as I suspect, either at the PC or caused by the ISP. You can investigate from there.

L2|B4tt3rY, if you haven’t noticed already, let me tell you something about SCDS_reyalP and a few of his clannish friends. He is a compulsive antagonist. You can expect that any time someone posts something that he dissagrees with, there he will be, relentlessly posting and dogging them with his fat mouth blathering insults and spitting forth false information. It is a compulsion for him. So far, everything he has suggested is a waste of time.

Follow my simple suggestions and let me know what came of them. We can look for another possible solution after that.

(_IRON_MAN_) #13

SCDS_reyalP:

"Incorrect.
While some of the driver software is crappy, and in a few cases may have addware/spyware etc., almost all of those devices work just fine as standard PS2 or USB keyboard. So rather than buying a keyboard, you can just uninstall the software. Yes, some of the special buttons may not work, but in most cases all the normal keys will.

I advise people to take what _IRON_MAN says with a very large grain of salt. He has repeatedly shown is ignorance about the game, computers as well as a complete immunity to logical argument."

One of the hundreds of places where you can learn that what you just said is incorrect:

“Attempts to uninstall the program only make life more difficult and inconvenient. You have to remember that the MMKEYBD.exe program drives the keyboard. Which means that the keyboard becomes useless without the driver. Ever tried to use a computer without a keyboard? Remove the driver and you are left with a keyboard-less computer.”

http://www.gank.com/spyware/HP/index.htm

(L2|B4tt3rY) #14

it used to all work fine, then suddenly it messed up, the computer isnt dell etc, its home made, he borugh all the parts seperatly off the net then made it himself

and both fps and lagmeter is draw
fps goes to about 4 and sometimes lower when turning using the mouse
the lagmeter is all over the place both lines, and ping is still fine and near 50 mark

(BondyBoy007) #15

"what mouse is it? is it connectected through USB? is your bro’s internet also through usb? have u tried the mouse without installing it’s drivers? have u tried connecting the mouse through ps2 if it is using USB at the mo? "

(meLonF) #16

I advise people to take what _IRON_MAN says with a very large grain of salt. He has repeatedly shown is ignorance about the game, computers as well as a complete immunity to logical argument. See his previous posts under the (now banned AFAIK) account “I R O N M A N”

:lol: some of those threads are good entertainment

good advice SCDS_reyalP :drink:

(BondyBoy007) #17

Yep I’ve still got saved in my favs the thread where he gets totally owned with his BSP files are not maps statement, to which rain makes a map just using a bsp file lol

http://www.splashdamage.com/index.php?name=pnPHPbb2&file=viewtopic&t=4648&start=60&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ironman

think that account got deleted by the wise ppl at SD shortly after

(Kendle) #18

That thread was hilarious. I’m insanely jealous of Rain for that display of complete and utter and total ownage, but heh! :smiley: Not sure if he was banned at that point or whether he just didn’t have the balls to show his face again after such a humiliation.

(meLonF) #19

Yep I’ve still got saved in my favs the thread where he gets totally owned with his BSP files are not maps statement, to which rain makes a map just using a bsp file lol

http://www.splashdamage.com/index.php?name=pnPHPbb2&file=viewtopic&t=4648&start=60&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ironman

think that account got deleted by the wise ppl at SD shortly after

roflmao … i hadn’t read that one :clap:

that is freakin golden… wp rain. I demand more humourous threads of a similar nature. :lol:

SD don’t ban him again… maybe instead change his name/avatar to “Offical SD Forum Troll” or maybe just “SD forums Village idiot”

(puubert) #20

I just read the whole thing. What a complete fool.