Port for Linux.


(Susefreak) #321

PS3 has PSGL with is Sony’s own (read proprietary) implementation of OpenGL|ES.
What I got from it is that it’s mainly OpenGL|ES 2.x compliant but only the Sony proprietary implementation fo the Nvidia Shader language differs from the compliance.

If there happens to be a Mac port, is it gonna be done by Aspyr again or developed in-house?


(Setlec) #322

If you port to linux, please make atl+tab possible please! I know SDL sometimes could be tricky but i’m sure that you guys can handle it!

for the audio there is an OpenAL wrapper which is pretty good you might have a look here!

PS: Do you have any idea of when Id Tech 4 would be released as FOSS? sometime after Brink or after Rage? :rolleyes:


(Setlec) #323

Oh i’ve forgot to ask: If you do release the game for linux, it would be awesome to see also the sdk running natively!


(the_madman) #324

It feels like a real shame: Linux (on the desktop) is actually a great product with some great work around it (in the various desktop environments/window managers as well as distribution-specific stuff such as software management and additional features), but it’s just not popular enough for anyone to care. It’s an aweful chicken-and-egg situation, where commercial companies won’t develop for it until it’s more popular/profitable, and users won’t use it until it’s got more high-quality (commercial) applications. :confused:


(Nail) #325

1: it’s up to Bethesda

2: doesn’t matter without linux client for Steam


(Joe999) #326

no it isn’t. linux sucks for the average consumer, even for most of the hardcore pc users. it has a very bad usability. that’s why people don’t care. and it’s only popular because it’s free.


(AnthonyDa) #327

How so? You won’t be able to play it without steam.


(LyndonL) #328

That’s what he’s saying.


(system) #329

thats so crap.
About the usability i admit, it could be better - especially the directory structure - thats for sure but what you are just stating is just pure crap.
Companies dont make programs or drivers for it out of compassion.


(Joe999) #330

[QUOTE=dutchman;233132]thats so crap.
About the usability i admit, it could be better - especially the directory structure - thats for sure but what you are just stating is just pure crap.
Companies dont make programs or drivers for it out of compassion.[/QUOTE]

it’s free and it’s on torrents. and yet people don’t want it. think about it.


(Nail) #331

people don’t want it ? lol
It’s the O/S of choice for nearly every large business server
think about that


(Apples) #332

Servers are unix by default essentialy, but most of the companies still run under winXP, and as a customer I cant be arsed to change my OS just to find out that many games I like cant be run under this peculiar OS…


(Nail) #333

Unix on mainframe, Linux on blades and clusters

if Linux is good enough for Google, should work for lots, I’m a Win guy, but mostly because I’m lazy


(Apples) #334

You nailed me there :smiley:


(Joe999) #335

[QUOTE=Nail;233147]people don’t want it ? lol
It’s the O/S of choice for nearly every large business server
think about that[/QUOTE]

what exactly is there to think about? you taking stuff out of context doesn’t change the fact that the average and imo also pro consumer doesn’t intend to use linux. we’re not talking business solutions here.


(system) #336

Your really serious with this answer ?
Sorry but are you one of those lazy butts who dont wanna learn linux ?
I started with slackware and only use it as a home router/little server via console and its actual pretty interesting to get to know the background of programms :slight_smile: A friend of mine has a pentium 200 router and use a normal computer with linux on it and kde…and HE IS lazy and NO windows user.
Do stop trolling with dumb arguements dude :frowning:


(Joe999) #337

[QUOTE=dutchman;233173]Your really serious with this answer ?
Sorry but are you one of those lazy butts who dont wanna learn linux ?
I started with slackware and only use it as a home router/little server via console and its actual pretty interesting to get to know the background of programms :slight_smile: A friend of mine has a pentium 200 router and use a normal computer with linux on it and kde…and HE IS lazy and NO windows user.
Do stop trolling with dumb arguements dude :([/QUOTE]

so to summarize your arguments: those who don’t want to use linux are lazy butts. i see, that’s a totally not “dumb argument” pro linux.

and no, it is absolutely not interesting to get to know the background of programs, at least not for the vast majority of people.


(system) #338

exactly.
Most computers come with Windows pre-installed since 1830 :wink: So you gotta have a will and interest to learn linux or even use it as desktop.
I am not saying it is easy, nor do i say you are totally wrong. I am just saying that your arguments are from a planet we have yet to discover :wink: joking…
I have interest in the stuff that is running on my so called pentium 3 router, and yes i like live statistical information, raw data. Windows can do that too but not as a basic…basically, windows is for the lazy, you cannot deny that :wink:

(i am windows user too btw :slight_smile: )

If you like windows servers, its your choice. if you like windows as a desktop, bla bla choice.
Many people just like linux, live with it amigo :wink:


(jazevec) #339

I’m repplying for the sake of others, to stop the spread of misinformation. I don’t expect an intelligent response from Joe999. He’s just trolling.

Here, he’s saying that Linux is available for free. But he’s also implying that Windows isn’t.

NEWS FLASH
Windows is a free operating system (as in avaliable for free), with lots of money poured into development and multiples of that used on marketing.

That Linux manages to hold a beachhead in Windows dominated land is a remarkable accomplishment. Microsoft spends (compared to Linux distributors) astrononomical amounts of money on marketing, and Linux usage is mostly volountary.

When I say Windows is free I mean that most of people use an illegal copy. The elephant in the room ! Copyright infringement is extremely widespread, ranging from 90 percent and more in Albania, above 70% in Russia, double digits in developed countries of Europe, and still 20% in US. (Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate , data from 2007). The rate seems to be closely related to Purchasing Power Parity ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity ). Basically poorer countries have much higher piracy rates. Poland where I live still has over 50% piracy, and PPP is around 50% meaning we earn about half as much as people in US.
The individuals owning legal copies mostly do so because it came with their computer. They perceive windows as a free extra, when in fact it does add to the cost. The cost is just hidden, never listed explicitely (MS makes sure of that) and paid by OEMs. It works - ask people and most will tell you they got Windows for free.

I’d argue piracy percentages for individuals* are much higher than listed. This is because individuals can simply get away with an illegal windows copy.
In corporations people are spoon-fed whatever pointy haired boss comes up with. More importantly, corporations are controlled, and end up in big trouble if caught with illegal software.

Microsoft goes to great length to conceal cost of bundled Windows copies. When EEE PC’s became available, they couldn’t allow Windows and Linux models to stand side by side. That would get people thinking, they would notice the price difference and some of them would try Linux. So MS pressured Asus to make hardware changes. Suddenly Windows versions were using hard disk drives, and Linux ones used new, smaller, quiet and fast solid state drives. This allowed Asus to sell both Windows and Linux versions of EEE PC at the same price.

I have reasons to believe Linux is technically more than capable of replacing Windows for personal use (not just desktop). Not just a substitute, but an improvement in many ways. The only thing holding it back is Windows being the default. Most people don’t want Linux, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t like it more. They don’t want Linux because they have only been exposed to Windows. Windows sounds familiar. For Linux to replace Windows it takes not technical superiority (already achieved), but political skills. OEM backroom deals need to be undone, transparency is needed, and people need to be given a choice.


(AnthonyDa) #340

Ho noes, this thread turned into a linux VS Windows thread… (again?) :frowning: