Port for Linux.

[DoubleDigit]

It’s not a less reliable car just because you can fiddle with it. And fiddling can be rewarding and fun. To stay with cars: “Argh, that stupid indicator is beeping everytime I’m driving around a corner. Meh I don’t want to fiddle with that in case I break something and try to live with it instead even though it pisses me off” versus “Argh that stupid indicator is beeping everytime I’m driving around a corner. I’ll just unplug the speaker and now I can drive much more relaxed”.

Rewarding how? ‘look i fixed that issue that shouldn’t have broken in the first place’. Please… I prefer spending my spare time with my family, friends, playing or whatever, not fixing things. I do plenty of that at work.
Oh, and yes, after 4 years my car still doesn’t beep when I take whatever corner.

[Blowfish]

A linux port would be nice. More important for me is a Linux port for the server. So I can add the game to my ET/COD4 server… first time I saw it today …looks nice. Only first impression I had, is that its as slow as any other game I have seen after W:ET.

[Nail]

I think linux servers are a given

[Linux-user]

Why should I waste my time on something incomplete when a working solution is available?

If Microsoft is the solution, please give me my problem back.

But you’re right about the argument of being able to fix bugs for yourself. I don’t want to fix them myself. Don’t those people understand they’re the developers and I’m the user. They’ve got to write the code, fix bugs and add new features and the only thing I want to do is install and use it.

I’ve seen it happen many times: You encounter a bug, you find the bug report of this particulary bug and you see the bug was reported five (or even more) years ago, there have been hundreds of replies on the bug report, but there’s still zero progress. So, you ask why this bug still isn’t fixed and this is the answer you get: “Go fix it yourself.”

Are those people crazy? Don’t they really understand the difference between a developer and a user? I’m not a programmer. Why do those people think a user is going to learn how to program to do the work the developers don’t want to do? Those developers don’t like to fix bugs, so the users have to do it themselves.

I really hate that attitude and that’s the reason I’m currently making the switch from Linux to Mac OS X. My laptop has already been replaced by a MacBook and the other systems will be replaced in the future.

It’s not a less reliable car just because you can fiddle with it.

But some people don’t want a reliable car. They want their car to break down at least once a week, so they can fiddle with it. Like DoubleDigit said:

A working reliable car is no good for them, because they constantly need to fix things.

I don’t get these kind of people. I don’t want my car to break down. It has to get me to my destination everytime, without letting me down. If it starts to malfunction it’s going to be replaced by another car. The same goes for operating systems, PCs, DVD players and everything else I use. I’m only the user, so the only thing I want to do with it, is using it.

[timestart]

But you’re right about the argument of being able to fix bugs for yourself. I don’t want to fix them myself. Don’t those people understand they’re the developers and I’m the user. They’ve got to write the code, fix bugs and add new features and the only thing I want to do is install and use it.

Pay them then, volunteers are not your slaves.

I’ve seen it happen many times: You encounter a bug, you find the bug report of this particulary bug and you see the bug was reported five (or even more) years ago, there have been hundreds of replies on the bug report, but there’s still zero progress. So, you ask why this bug still isn’t fixed and this is the answer you get: “Go fix it yourself.”

Are those people crazy? Don’t they really understand the difference between a developer and a user? I’m not a programmer. Why do those people think a user is going to learn how to program to do the work the developers don’t want to do? Those developers don’t like to fix bugs, so the users have to do it themselves.

The users don’t have to do it themselves, they can always find someone else to fix it - that’s one of the great things about open source. You aren’t dependant on Microsoft or Apple or whoever if you are prepared to take the initiative and do something.

[timestart]

This is what I don’t get about you Linux users. You’re just like those mechanics that like to fiddle with their car all the time. A working reliable car is no good for them, because they constantly need to fix things. Guess that makes them important.

I can’t speak for everyone, but personally I want something that works all the time. But since that’s impossible, I’ll settle for something that breaks occasionally if I can fix it when it does.

And fiddling is fun

[darthmob]

[QUOTE=Linux-user;207297]But some people don’t want a reliable car. They want their car to break down at least once a week, so they can fiddle with it. Like DoubleDigit said:

I don’t get these kind of people. I don’t want my car to break down. It has to get me to my destination everytime, without letting me down. If it starts to malfunction it’s going to be replaced by another car. The same goes for operating systems, PCs, DVD players and everything else I use. I’m only the user, so the only thing I want to do with it, is using it.[/QUOTE]There’s one thing both of you are forgetting in your reasoning. It doesn’t have to be your productive system you are fiddling with. You can easily have one productive stable system and x other to fiddle with. Car analogy: A reliable car to drive to work with and as many cars as you want in your garage to fiddle with.

And different people have different opinions on what is fun. Doesn’t make one right and the other wrong.

[otakustar]

++ for the linux-port
don’t forget that linux-users are great multipliers, as they often are looked on as very computer-savy and often fix friends/families broken windows - so people listen if they praise some game…
:infiltrator:
life’s too short for dual-boot.

[Linux-user]

Pay them then, volunteers are not your slaves.

In the past I’ve bought some boxed releases of Linux distributions, so actually I’ve already paid it.

The users don’t have to do it themselves, they can always find someone else to fix it - that’s one of the great things about open source. You aren’t dependant on Microsoft or Apple or whoever if you are prepared to take the initiative and do something.

I’m a user, not a detective. I just want to use the product, I don’t want to spend my time finding someone who’s able to fix the bugs I encountered and at the same time has the time to fix those bugs and is also willing to fix the bugs. I’ve even tried to do this and this was the experience:

I encountered a bug and found a bug report which was EIGHT YEARS old. After all those years the bug still wasn’t fixed. After a lot of discussion I finally found someone who was finally willing to fix the bug. He started writing a patch, but before finishing the patch he decided writing a patch wasn’t exciting enough, so he stopped the development. Untill today the bug still isn’t fixed.

I found another bug and this was also a very old bug, as it was already reported five years ago. After a lot of discussion someone finally started to write a patch. The development was extremely slow, but eventually he managed to finish the patch. The patch was written by a volunteer, but the developers rejected the patch. With the new version of the software, the patch didn’t work anymore and the volunteer never updated the patch.

These are only two examples. I’ve seen these kind of thing happen several times. I’ve stopped searching for people who want to fix bugs. I’ve spend enough time trying to get those bug fixed, but after seeing zero progress after all the work I did, I’ve stopped wasting my time. I don’t want to spend my time finding people who want to fix the bugs and begging for a fix. I just want to use it, nothing else.

Linux lacks any kind of coordination. Every “developer” just does what he wants to do and fixing bugs is not on that list. People try to fix the bugs for themselves, but patches are rejected time after time. I’ve never seen such kind of amateurs and it’s really no surprise for me Linux can’t even get 1% market share on the desktop.

[QUOTE=timestart;207300]I can’t speak for everyone, but personally I want something that works all the time. But since that’s impossible, I’ll settle for something that breaks occasionally if I can fix it when it does.

And fiddling is fun :D[/QUOTE]

I just want to use the product which has the best quality and has the least amount of bugs. For me this is Mac OS X. When I’m using my MacBook there’s no need to fix bugs myself, because I haven’t even encountered a single bug.

That’s your opinion, but the average user only want to use it’s operating system, software and PC. It just has to work. The average user doesn’t want to fiddle.

[QUOTE=darthmob;207369]There’s one thing both of you are forgetting in your reasoning. It doesn’t have to be your productive system you are fiddling with. You can easily have one productive stable system and x other to fiddle with. Car analogy: A reliable car to drive to work with and as many cars as you want in your garage to fiddle with.

And different people have different opinions on what is fun. Doesn’t make one right and the other wrong.[/QUOTE]

Those are only a small part of all users. The average user doesn’t want to fiddle and has no need for one or more additional unstable systems. He only wants productive stable systems. The average use only wants reliable car. He has no need for cars to fiddle with. Only a few users want unstable systems and unreliable cars to fiddle with.

I and DoubleDigit aren’t saying your opinions are wrong. We’re only saying we (and most of the other users) don’t want to fiddle with our PCs or cars. Most users just want a reliable car and a stable PC. If you want to fiddle all day, true, go on and fiddle all day. We’re only saying we can’t see how fiddling all day is any fun.

You can easily have one productive stable system and x other to fiddle with.

These other systems to fiddle with are running Linux, but what’s on that productive stable system? Should be Windows or Mac OS X as Linux is the ultimate system to fiddle with. Doesn’t that take away the need for a Linux release?

[timestart]

Your experience is unfortunate, but generalising from it is unfair - in the vast majority of cases things do actually work.

[darthmob]

[QUOTE=Linux-user;207409]These other systems to fiddle with are running Linux, but what’s on that productive stable system? Should be Windows or Mac OS X as Linux is the ultimate system to fiddle with. Doesn’t that take away the need for a Linux release?[/QUOTE]Windows, MacOS and Linux are all stable if you set them up correctly and use them in the right way. And no you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to get a stable and good working Linux setup running. I’m pretty confident that it wouldn’t take more time than to make yourself comfortable with Windows (if you wouldn’t have used it for years already) or MacOS.

Of course, if you don’t have much experience chances are high that sooner or later you will ruin your system. I don’t know if you can break MacOS but it certainly is possible while using Windows (I have seen it plenty of times at my grandparents computer) and using Linux (been there, done that).

Personally I would definitely like to try MacOS if it weren’t so damn expensive combined with the hardware. It has got a lot of nifty features that just make everyday work so much more comfortable.

[Nail]

I haven’t had a crash on windows since win98se, and that was 9 years ago, what the hell do you guys do to get crashes or bsod these days ?

[otakustar]

I haven’t had a crash on windows since win98se, and that was 9 years ago, what the hell do you guys do to get crashes or bsod these days ?

THIS year I witnessed several blue-screens on my girlfriend’s vista, caused by a combination of nortel-vpn and photoshop elements, both required by her university
even called the IT there, they said they are going to switch to openvpn soon…

These other systems to fiddle with are running Linux, but what’s on that productive stable system? Should be Windows or Mac OS X as Linux is the ultimate system to fiddle with. Doesn’t that take away the need for a Linux release?

this is almost the truth - actually I demand that henceon all games shall be released for solaris exclusively

[darthmob]

[QUOTE=Nail;207434]I haven’t had a crash on windows since win98se, and that was 9 years ago, what the hell do you guys do to get crashes or bsod these days ?[/QUOTE]I have seen a few bluescreens on XP mainly related to driver / ram problems. It has gotten much better with Vista and 7.

The biggest issue I come across at friends and relatives is everything slowing down over time. Something is wrong if it takes Firefox 4 minutes to start. I have no idea what these people do to achieve that because there are no weird processes or programs running and I have never seen it happen on my own computer.

[DarkangelUK]

I think that comes down to lack of maintenance, which can affect any OS. General users just don’t keep their system clean and tidy, probably through lack of knowledge.

[Nail]

Never had XP on any of my personal computers, went from Win 2000 to Vista (soon 7), but I’ve heard that without regular hd maintenence the whole system slows down. Possibly due to XP indexing system. I was sorry to leave 2000, it did everything right imo.

[timestart]

Never had XP on any of my personal computers, went from Win 2000 to Vista (soon 7), but I’ve heard that without regular hd maintenence the whole system slows down. Possibly due to XP indexing system. I was sorry to leave 2000, it did everything right imo.

Anyone with a clue turned indexing service off, doesn’t stop cruft building up though.

[asmo]

some guys here, who post, miss the idea of this thread, i didn’t asked for your long long descriptions about HOW bad is it to have linux and HOW bad idea is to make port for linux, or how bad it is when the car is getting broken while you want it to be not broken because you don’t want to fix things.

Most of peoples who post here express their sympathy for linux and for playing games on linux. We came here to let the SD know that we wish to have linux client for Brink game. No point to start discussions how bad linux is. Windows and Linux are two differend systems, there’s no such thing like “windows is better than linux” or “linux is better than windows”.

You have your own reasons why you want to use Windows. okay.
We have our own reasons to use Linux. Our own reasons to play on Linux. Now - it is up to SplashDamage if we will have the chance to play this great game on our native OS or not.

Linux users - would you complain if Brink would be made only for Linux and then some windows users coming and opening thread “We want Windows port!” ? or would you wish them to get what they want ?

I would like everybody to be sattisfied and when i’m reading thru earlier replies of some Windows users i think haters are speaking.

We just want Linux Port. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Linux-user]

I think that comes down to lack of maintenance, which can affect any OS. General users just don’t keep their system clean and tidy, probably through lack of knowledge.

If an operating system needs maintenance all the time it just isn’t a good operating system. In Linux you just remove an application using the package manager and in Mac OS X you just move the application to the trash bin. Windows places files everywhere. If you’ve got to use register cleaners, defragmentation tools and other kinds of software to keep the performance at an acceptable level it isn’t a good operating system.

Never had XP on any of my personal computers, went from Win 2000 to Vista (soon 7), but I’ve heard that without regular hd maintenence the whole system slows down. Possibly due to XP indexing system. I was sorry to leave 2000, it did everything right imo.

Windows 2000 for the win! What an operating system. In my opinion the best Microsoft has ever developed.

[DarkangelUK]

Who said it’s all the time? Over time, not all the time…