Please Premade vs Premade only in Casual (Quick Match)


(BloodySin) #41

@watsyurdeal said:
That is going to happen regardless of which approach we take, the difference between waiting to find a match, and simply choosing a server, means one takes time to do, and may not be perfect, while the other, allows to drop in and out where ever you want, and the server name allows you to figure out what kind of experience you can expect.

Having clan ran servers like from OCB or some of the others here, would really help player retention.

A system takes 15 mins to find a match because you’re playing with your friends will not.
Considering the amount of low levels I see around going against high levels, I can only see a wait for the high levels wanting to group together. But that’s where the “PC gamer choice” you talk about comes in: you have the choice of waiting to play in a premade with high level friends, or of browsing an open server with spots available by yourself.

PS: No, I’m not going into community ran servers again. That’s not the topic, and I don’t see it as a solution from a business point-of-view.


(watsyurdeal) #42

@BloodySin said:
Considering the amount of low levels I see around going against high levels, I can only see a wait for the high levels wanting to group together. But that’s where the “PC gamer choice” you talk about comes in: you have the choice of waiting to play in a premade with high level friends, or of browsing an open server with spots available by yourself.

Alright then I will come at it from another angle, we have ranked matchmaking already, so 1, why bother making casual matchmaking at all? and 2, no matter how well you try to balance that system there are going to be imbalanced matches either way, meaning from a business standpoint you are wasting time and resources on a system that ultimately does not resolve the issue.

Even if we do introduce casual matcmmaking there’s no guarantee it will resolve the issues the game has, especially since most of it comes down to players simply not knowing how to play.


(Sairdontis) #43

@watsyurdeal the natural progression for high levels interested in a good match would want to play ranked in that there is a level minimum to it. The issue that has created the demand for Casual mm is due to high levels stomping on new players to the game who can only play in quick match and don’t have access to ranked yet.

Many players leave and never look back coming in now due to the experience level they are being pit against right now as a new player. They have not been playing for a long time and know all the maps and all the mercs and all the jumps spots. When these new players get stomped on many leave the population doesn’t grow and obviously these leaving players never stayed along to get better to allow for a bigger ranked pool.

bottomline: New players play and have fun and stay and will at least some get better and make the game more interesting for the vet players wanting a level playing field.


(bgyoshi) #44

Server browser is best

But you should be able to team up with friends and use the server browser to join the same server together.


(BloodySin) #45

@watsyurdeal said:
Alright then I will come at it from another angle, we have ranked matchmaking already, so 1, why bother making casual matchmaking at all? and 2, no matter how well you try to balance that system there are going to be imbalanced matches either way, meaning from a business standpoint you are wasting time and resources on a system that ultimately does not resolve the issue.

Even if we do introduce casual matcmmaking there’s no guarantee it will resolve the issues the game has, especially since most of it comes down to players simply not knowing how to play.

1a. Ranked is a different animal, with a different purpose, that should cater to different people. People who play casual aren’t interested in the extra stress of Ranked more often than not;

1b. Ranked’s reputation is soiled. Even before starting to play I already had heard about it. Add to that how you see people complaining about newbies in ranked, and wanting to raise the minimum level and whatnot. I can just imagine the sort of thing a newbie might hear in a Ranked match if their team loses;

1c. Ranked has nothing enticing about it for casuals, who always will be the masses. Sure, I’d like the Ranked skins, but I’m not up to waiting 15 minutes to get into a likely imbalanced match, run the risk of having people blame me for a loss (low level and medic? it’s a salt magnet), to get a meager amount of points and then repeat all that, likely for days, to get one card. I don’t give a flying horse’s dick about rank besides the cards, but they are behind a stressful grind-wall people just don’t want to deal with.

2a. Already addressed that in a previous post: “The fact there are other factors that can potentially cause imbalance doesn’t means no action should be taken about one of them when it’s possible to”;

2b. From a business point of view, they want more players. Something that can, with one sweep, both reduce the amount of imbalanced matches and allow people to play with their friends, solves two demands the players seem to have had for a long time. The fact it doesn’t completely solves the issue, again, doesn’t negates that it can at least mitigate it to some measure, and any chance for balance is better than none.


(M4st0d0n) #46

@pumpkinmeerkat said:

@BloodySin no player at any skill level should have to wait excessive amounts of time for a casual match.

AFAIK browser will remain and still allow people to join on some servers, so vets wont have to wait any queue and could bypass matchmaker. So we would have the “best” of both world.

@bgyoshi said:
Server browser is best

But you should be able to team up with friends and use the server browser to join the same server together.

Meh. Objective based game, yet no indication of game progression in the browser. Dont like to come late at parties and spend my time in loading screens.


(pumpkinmeerkat) #47

@M4st0d0n

Server browser will remain, to what extent has not been confirmed AFAIK. IMO the game does not have enough players at all skill levels to support ranked, CMM, and a browser and the experience could suffer in all three as a result. Figuring out the right balance between queue times and acceptable balance in going to be tricky but I’m excited to try out whatever makes it into the game.


(bgyoshi) #48

@M4st0d0n said:

@bgyoshi said:

But you should be able to team up with friends and use the server browser to join the same server together.

Meh. Objective based game, yet no indication of game progression in the browser. Dont like to come late at parties and spend my time in loading screens.

Not related in any way???


(The_True_mo) #49

@watsyurdeal said:

Community ran servers and modding

This please.


(Sairdontis) #50

@bgyoshi Agreed.


(M4st0d0n) #51

@bgyoshi said:

@M4st0d0n said:

@bgyoshi said:

But you should be able to team up with friends and use the server browser to join the same server together.

Meh. Objective based game, yet no indication of game progression in the browser. Dont like to come late at parties and spend my time in loading screens.

Not related in any way???

CMM likely wont get you in a match almost finished, a constant problem with the browser and quickjoin. It’s not just the party system hopefully. I think people shouldnt be able to join when it’s not permited to scramble anymore. So not as strict as a moba but more meaningful objective wise than another TDM game.

Not to mention when everyone just leave the server at the end of a game, so picking a server while in lobby status is half the time just a dead end or starting a 2vs2. So yeah, server browser. Not the best. Almost RNG based.


(Sairdontis) #52

Leavers are a problem M4st0d0n. Glad that ranked punishes it though it still happens alot there too.


(Sairdontis) #53

Honestly I am not sure why we don’t just have 1-2 premade only servers. This would have the added benefit of possilbly being a great place to record epic team faceoffs outside of ranked.