Please Balance Casual Teams


(WunWegWunDarWun) #1

Most people enjoy playing unranked. Please don’t force them to play ranked if they don’t like friendly fire (which I don’t).

Or let me rephrase. I used to enjoy unranked games, except it is so rare to find a balanced match that it has all but ruined this game for me. Please, like every other game, just make a system where I can queue up with friends and do a stopwatch/execution/objective match that IS NOT RANKED so that it is still balanced.

This game has such promise and potential. It is so sad that the small things that could make it fun are just not being addressed.


(Jostabeere) #2

Yes.


(PurpleHippo) #3

If you get people to stop jumping lobbys SD might actually have a chance to make a balance system that works, but currently when someone join they just gets dumped on the team with an empty spot, hence the problem with imbalanced teams.


(watsyurdeal) #4

The problem is even if you balance around player ELO or experience, you can’t fix bad team composition or teamwork.


(Amerika) #5

And even if you have good teamwork and a good composition with comparatively skilled players sometimes you just get blown out anyway. There are a lot of people in this world that don’t seem to understand that despite being lifelong sports fans and seeing results like that every single day.


(SereneFlight) #6

Most of the time the “unbalance” is because there’s no teamwork, the team composition is shite (3 Value Vassilis, 2 Thunders and Skybro = best team ever, obviously) and some people just go for TDM even tho the objective area is clear.

Please, like every other game, just make a system where I can queue up with friends and do a stopwatch/execution/objective match that IS NOT RANKED so that it is still balanced.

Like every other game? As somebody who doesn’t play multiplayer shooters or spunkgargleweewee (for obvious reasons) on Pisstation or Xbone, I’m calling BS.
Also, matchmaking won’t guarantee any balance. More often than not lvl-wise balanced teams are not “balanced” because of the choices each individual player does without considering if it’s going to help the team or not.

However, having a matchmaking as well wouldn’t probably be a bad thing I guess… as long we can keep server browser.


(Tanker_Ray) #7

@Watsyurdeal @Amerika

Come on guys, I understand the fact there are losers who always cry for call votes whenever they are losing, but this isn’t always the whining person’s problem.

I’ve seen shxt tons of stacking and team changers ruining the whole game even in that small ASIA server, and those high levels stomping over newbies that are barely over level 5 or less than 20 isn’t a funny thing for this game’s future.

The whole problem is coming from the ridiculous team changing system and level 6s have to play against the whole skilled player after the MAX level 5 server, and also nothing done with leaving the game. This is why I always activate the min level 10 servers for myself, inviting all Asia server DB players that I know as high level gamer.

This is not a small thing that we can always ignore by saying ‘It is ok because it is pub. why even care?’ or ‘Don’t always blame your team mates you whiner. This is all about skill, so the reason why you feel your game is unbalanced is all because you are bad at this game.’

I know low skilled players make the whole random bad games like you guys said, and Ranked is somehow balanced with certain systems, but SD really gotta do something for poor defenseless guys. This isn’t something light about whiner’s own DB skill problem. If someone is whining about this problem when they are over level 30 and experienced enough, I’ll consider myself wrong. But for the newbies who are our future of this game, and also as we were once newbies too before, SD really gotta do something like making all free servers in to Min level 10, stop players abandoning match ups with changing team if the number isn’t even, and also include the vote shuffle time/call limitation for all of us who hates losers whining.

Let’s just be kind to these guys, without judging one’s skill.


(Backuplight) #8

Really not expecting much to change. I feel it would have been better if we just had ranked and unranked queues, but you had to queue for games. Then community servers could handle the drop in/drop out sort of gameplay according to how players want it. Who knows, maybe one day.


(Sorotia) #9

And even if you have good teamwork and a good composition with comparatively skilled players sometimes you just get blown out anyway. There are a lot of people in this world that don’t seem to understand that despite being lifelong sports fans and seeing results like that every single day.[/quote]

Yup…just look at the superbowl…look at the Panthers last few games…they absolutely obliterated the teams they faced in the playoffs…they just couldn’t get anything going against the Broncos.


(watsyurdeal) #10

[quote=“ThunderPro;166900”]Let’s just be kind to these guys, without judging one’s skill.
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See that’s just it! It is NOT about their skill it’s about TEAM WORK

Remove skill from the equation and what is left? How much more coordinated is one team than the other? How well are they in sync?

I know that’s hard to judge in pubs, but let’s be honest, if I am getting a score that’s at least double or more than the rest of my team combined, then clearly the problem isn’t that teams suck. It’s I am doing my part, and I have nobody’s help.

I only get points when I’m doing the objective, healing, or racking up kills, and that typically comes down to me being at the right places.

So, again, it’s not about skill, it’s about getting shit done together.


(Amerika) #11

[quote=“ThunderPro;166900”]@Watsyurdeal @Amerika

Come on guys, I understand the fact there are losers who always cry for call votes whenever they are losing, but this isn’t always the whining person’s problem.

I’ve seen shxt tons of stacking and team changers ruining the whole game even in that small ASIA server, and those high levels stomping over newbies that are barely over level 5 or less than 20 isn’t a funny thing for this game’s future.

The whole problem is coming from the ridiculous team changing system and level 6s have to play against the whole skilled player after the MAX level 5 server, and also nothing done with leaving the game. This is why I always activate the min level 10 servers for myself, inviting all Asia server DB players that I know as high level gamer.

This is not a small thing that we can always ignore by saying ‘It is ok because it is pub. why even care?’ or ‘Don’t always blame your team mates you whiner. This is all about skill, so the reason why you feel your game is unbalanced is all because you are bad at this game.’

I know low skilled players make the whole random bad games like you guys said, and Ranked is somehow balanced with certain systems, but SD really gotta do something for poor defenseless guys. This isn’t something light about whiner’s own DB skill problem. If someone is whining about this problem when they are over level 30 and experienced enough, I’ll consider myself wrong. But for the newbies who are our future of this game, and also as we were once newbies too before, SD really gotta do something like making all free servers in to Min level 10, stop players abandoning match ups with changing team if the number isn’t even, and also include the vote shuffle time/call limitation for all of us who hates losers whining.

Let’s just be kind to these guys, without judging one’s skill.

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You put a lot of words into my mouth that I did not say. I did not judge skill or even mention how the balance system in DB actually works (which I know quite a bit about). I simply stated that a lot of people who bring up this type of issue tend to forget that even when teams are perfectly balanced in every way does not mean that the game will consistently be close. People tend to forget this while doing all they can to blame how the sorting system works without understanding how the sorting system works AND THEN acknowledging what I said.

Skill has nothing to do with it. You can take a bunch of low skill but evenly matched players and produce a blow-out on one side or the other pretty consistently. And that’s not even bring up the psychological state that is natural for humans to remember the bad things that happen to them and forget the good which throws off your perception of just how often things go wrong.

I am also not saying shut up and deal with it. Mostly just giving people reading information they might not have thought of since a lot of times people tend to get angry before they fully understand a situation and then make snap judgements. I might be wasting my time because some people simply want to be angry but a few people might get what I’m saying and that’s enough for me.


(triteCherry) #12

Experience.


(watsyurdeal) #13

[quote=“triteCherry;166919”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;166911”]
Remove skill from the equation and what is left?
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Experience.

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And even when you factor that in, and sort teams based on ELO and experience of the individual players, you still have to worry about how well they’d work together. Which is something that is impossible to predict numerically.


(Amerika) #14

[quote=“triteCherry;166919”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;166911”]
Remove skill from the equation and what is left?
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Experience.

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This is just a devil’s advocate thing so don’t take it too seriously. I’ve got a LOT more experience playing basketball than an 18 year old NBA rookie. But who do you think would probably win in a 1v1? I know who my money is on. Experience is great…but it has a cap.


(watsyurdeal) #15

[quote=“Amerika;166923”][quote=“triteCherry;166919”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;166911”]
Remove skill from the equation and what is left?
[/quote]

Experience.

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This is just a devil’s advocate thing so don’t take it too seriously. I’ve got a LOT more experience playing basketball than an 18 year old NBA rookie. But who do you think would probably win in a 1v1? I know who my money is on. Experience is great…but it has a cap.[/quote]

Oh comon Amerika don’t beat yourself up you’ll do fine, unless you’re white…you’re screwed then


(triteCherry) #16

[quote=“Amerika;166923”]
This is just a devil’s advocate thing so don’t take it too seriously. I’ve got a LOT more experience playing basketball than an 18 year old NBA rookie. But who do you think would probably win in a 1v1? I know who my money is on. Experience is great…but it has a cap.[/quote]

If we are talking about 1v1 fights now then yes, Skill will beat Experience. Plenty of examples of that in-game.


(Amerika) #17

[quote=“triteCherry;166931”][quote=“Amerika;166923”]
This is just a devil’s advocate thing so don’t take it too seriously. I’ve got a LOT more experience playing basketball than an 18 year old NBA rookie. But who do you think would probably win in a 1v1? I know who my money is on. Experience is great…but it has a cap.[/quote]

If we are talking about 1v1 fights now then yes, Skill will beat Experience. Plenty of examples of that in-game.[/quote]

I wasn’t talking about 1v1 fights specifically. It was just an example because obviously I could say that it was 5 people like me versus 5 NBA rookies and the result would be the same.


(Infected) #18

I’m sorry, but investing in a good matchmaking algorithm in a game, in which people are leaving and joining all the time, switching teams cause they “don’t want to play with the noobs” and simply don’t care about team balance even if it’s 3 or 4vs7 (“no need to shuffle, it was balanced until people started leaving”) is a waste of resources.
Btw, I’m talking about minLVL servers on which I try to play whenever I get the chance.


(PurpleHippo) #19

[quote=“Infected;167159”]I’m sorry, but investing in a good matchmaking algorithm in a game, in which people are leaving and joining all the time, switching teams cause they “don’t want to play with the noobs” and simply don’t care about team balance even if it’s 3 or 4vs7 (“no need to shuffle, it was balanced until people started leaving”) is a waste of resources.
Btw, I’m talking about minLVL servers on which I try to play whenever I get the chance.[/quote]

Exactly, finally someone who gets it.


(scrub_lord) #20

I would just like to get at least one teammate who has played a shooter before. Having to 1v6 90% of the time is retarded.