Phoenix VS. Sawbonez

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

Hey everybody, i want to talk about Phoenix and Sawbonez

i think Sawbonez is useless now, Sawbonez always felt like the best medic but now here is Phoenix

Phoenix is slightly better overall, there only two downsides: the HP and don’t having the ability to throw around some medpacks so your teammates can pick em only if is neccesary

My sugesstion is to make sawbonez a little bit faster, decrace reduced self heal OR totaly remove it(phoenix hasn’t)
and make sawbonez a MEDIC/ENGINEER

Hope you agree and feel free to comment

[RyePanda]

Phoenix is not better. Sawbonez has three health packs that heal allies until they are fully healed or damaged. It is quicker to recharge and does not require being charged up. Also, you can throw the medpacks long distances. Additionally, Sawbonez has 10 more health. That said Phoenix’s heal will be better in some situations, but overall the consensus is that Sawbonez is better.

[serpentineBeef]

To be honest, I find Sparks and Aura to be far better medics than either Phoenix or Sawbonez.

[gg2ez]

No, this isn’t how it works at all. Each medic has their own situational “peak benefit” where they shine the best and also have different players that determine the proficiency at which they will be used.

Phoenix is the combat medic, he can heal his team mid-fight, even if they are taking damage but he can’t heal as well as Saw or Aura.

Sawbonez is the general medic, he can’t heal teammates that are under fire, however, his packs are very efficient at healing himself and others after or approaching fights.

Aura is the defensive medic. Her station allows teammates a defined position to get more health, good for holding an area but her healing power is not immune to damage and can be taken away with many methods.

Sparks is the after-medic. Excels in keeping her teammates in the game, works best after her teammates die. As a result, her healing potency is almost nil.

There’s no “best medic”, only “best medic for the current situation”.

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

[quote=“gg2ez;106243”]

Sawbonez is the general medic, he can’t heal teammates that are under fire, however, his packs are very efficient at healing himself and others after or approaching fights.
.[/quote]
Disagree at the point ‘‘efficient at healing himself’’, Sawbonez had reduced self heal witch makes sawbonez have to go behind cover while regenerating, while Phoenix hasn’t

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

To be honest, I find Sparks and Aura to be far better medics than either Phoenix or Sawbonez.

This is where i agree with @gg2ez ‘‘There’s no “best medic”, only “best medic for the current situation”’’

But I think there are more situations where Phoenix is better than Sawbonez.
For example when managed to get behind enemy lines - self revive,
or when more peapole are fighting at the same location - Healing pulse (please don’t say Aura) and Phoenix is faster.
the only downsides of phoenix are IMO

the HP and don’t having the ability to throw around some medpacks so your teammates can pick em only if is neccesary

But the hp difference is only 10 HP, it is not that much.

[Szakalot]

in an organized 5v5 massive heal between fights that is mobile unlike hp station makes Sawbonez the best medic. you can poke and heal mulitple friendlies up to 100% very quickly

[LifeupOmega]

Sawbonez. Useless. Best joke on the forum honestly.

Play some 5v5s, some pugs, anything that isn’t a pub, and you’ll instantly see how useful Sawbonez is and why he’s almost always picked.

But the hp difference is only 10 HP, it is not that much.

10 extra hp means you survive a direct sticky bomb, and I believe a direct nade from Nader too (or is it 90hp damage direct?).

[watsyurdeal]

Personally I feel Sawbonez excels in every way in competitive, he can’t self revive or heal everyone at the same time, but his med packs are insanely versatile. You can leave them on the ground or toss them at someone while keeping your speed and leaving very little vulnerability.

In terms of a Combat Medic, he is the best hands down. Phoneix’s self revive is far too situational, and the cooldown for his pulse is somewhat brutal, 20 second to fully patch up everyone, and since a spawn wave is just that you are basically boned if you fail to time it right.

Plus, there’s the weapons, KEK is ok but the Crotzni and SMG 9 feel way more consistent in my personal experience.

All in all I think in terms of the situations, flexibility, and reliability, Sawbonez is far superior as a healer.

As for revives well Sparks is the obvious answer, it’s why I think she should be your second med at all times.

Aura and Phoenix are limited by their range and cooldowns, Sparks and Sawbonez are not limited by these at all. Plus Sparks’ REVIVR is essentially a sniper rifle without a scope, and her machine pistols aren’t too shabby. She’s pretty damn good, almost overpowered honestly.

Aura used to be good but they nerfed her healing station far too much, the problem was how much damage it could take before the station was destroyed. I think they should make the windup or deploy time 1 second, and it just keeps healing as long as you’re in range. That, and the cooldown does not start until you pick it up, where you get it back instantly, or it is destroyed, and you have 10 seconds before you can place another station. I feel like the Turret deserves the same treatment.

As for Phoneix, just reduce the cooldown penalties. It shouldn’t punish you for switching weapons before you activate the pulse, and the pulse should have a lower cooldown time overall, 20 seconds is way too much.

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;106347”]

All in all I think in terms of the situations, flexibility, and reliability, Sawbonez is far superior as a healer.
.[/quote]

agree sawbonez is superior as a healer, but not to himself.

[Szakalot]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;106347”]Personally I feel Sawbonez excels in every way in competitive, he can’t self revive or heal everyone at the same time, but his med packs are insanely versatile. You can leave them on the ground or toss them at someone while keeping your speed and leaving very little vulnerability.

In terms of a Combat Medic, he is the best hands down. Phoneix’s self revive is far too situational, and the cooldown for his pulse is somewhat brutal, 20 second to fully patch up everyone, and since a spawn wave is just that you are basically boned if you fail to time it right.
[/quote]

its not 20 seconds!

Full heal (full ‘circle’) is achieved at 12sec cooldown, any additional charging is a pure waste.

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

It’s nowhere near as good as phoenix tho. His medkits heal much slower so you have to run away and sit out for 5+ seconds depending on how low your health is. Not to mention if you get hit once while self healing, it cancels out the heal.

Phoenix can pretty much full heal himself instantly in the middle of combat.
Sawbonez self-heal rate is so bad.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;106347”]

In terms of a Combat Medic, he is the best hands down. Phoneix’s self revive is far too situational[/quote]

Okay, but almost every minute there is a situation where you are behind enemy lines (killed), almost killed somone or some teamates are injured while making a push forward and you want to revive your teammates but your lying on the floor and are not able to do anything

Sparks’ REVIVR is essentially a sniper rifle without a scope, and her machine pistols aren’t too shabby. She’s pretty damn good, almost overpowered honestly.

Aura used to be good but they nerfed her healing station far too much, the problem was how much damage it could take before the station was destroyed. I think they should make the windup or deploy time 1 second, and it just keeps healing as long as you’re in range. That, and the cooldown does not start until you pick it up, where you get it back instantly, or it is destroyed, and you have 10 seconds before you can place another station. I feel like the Turret deserves the same treatment.

I do totaly agree on this, but this has nothing to do with sawbonez nor phoenix

[quote=“LifeupOmega;106346”]
10 extra hp means you survive a direct sticky bomb, and I believe a direct nade from Nader too (or is it 90hp damage direct?).[/quote]

sticky bombs are up to 80 on the ground. 100 if stuck. Damage decrease the farther you are away, so yes there is a little disadvantage, but considering how much fletchers there are is it almost null.

naders nades where 80 with a direct hit (correct me if i’m wrong) wich phoenix can survive
and the fact he’s a medic that’s no big deal eather

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

(he’s also faster so he can get furter away from nades-sticky bombs - not cooked frag nades =less damage)

[watsyurdeal]

[quote=“Myself_Deal_with_it;106418”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;106347”]

All in all I think in terms of the situations, flexibility, and reliability, Sawbonez is far superior as a healer.
.[/quote]

agree sawbonez is superior as a healer, but not to himself.[/quote]

But that’s entirely irrelevant, because when I’m playing as a Medic my priority is my team mates, if I’m taking a lot of damage I’m probably being too aggressive. Which tends to happen as I’m more DM focused than tactics or meta, hence why I prefer Fragger or Nader.

[quote=“Myself_Deal_with_it;106432”]It’s nowhere near as good as phoenix tho. His medkits heal much slower so you have to run away and sit out for 5+ seconds depending on how low your health is. Not to mention if you get hit once while self healing, it cancels out the heal.

Phoenix can pretty much full heal himself instantly in the middle of combat.
Sawbonez self-heal rate is so bad.[/quote]

I think you’re confusing your priorities here, your goal as a medic should be keeping your team mates alive, not you. So if you saying Phoneix is a better single medic, then yes, but in most 5v5 you have two medics, and Sawbonez can do a lot better job at healing someone than Phoneix, and they’ll typically back you up and keep you alive so the self heal and self revive are more or less a mute point.

[quote=“Myself_Deal_with_it;106432”]

Okay, but almost every minute there is a situation where you are behind enemy lines (killed), almost killed somone or some teamates are injured while making a push forward and you want to revive your teammates but your lying on the floor and are not able to do anything[/quote]

First of all, what are you doing behind enemy lines???

Second, stick with your team more and you won’t be killed as often.

I think honestly it boils down to playstyle here more than whose better, but even then when you look at effectiveness and consistency, Sawbonez tends to come out on top in almost every scenario.

The only niche I see Phoneix fulfilling is a single medic, where you have just one Medic on your team in exchange for two assault mercs, or engineers, or fire support.

Otherwise for the pace of the game and just how good the medpacks are, Sawbonez is more than enough.

[bontsa]

Phoenix is takin’ irrr JEEEEBBSS!!

We ain’t wanna lieks of 'im hierr!

[HoopleDoople]

As much as I love Phoenix, he does not completely outclasses Sawbonez - they each have their own areas where they shine. However, Sawbonez problem is that his effectiveness is highly dependent on his teams competence. Phoenix can get the job done even when allies are oblivious, as he just needs to be near them. Sawbonez requires allies to take cover and not dodge your medpack so they can heal up. Half the time I play Sawbonez I feel like I inadvertently end up being a better medic for the enemies than my allies…

[avidCow]

[quote=“Myself_Deal_with_it;19881”]Hey everybody, i want to talk about Phoenix and Sawbonez

i think Sawbonez is useless now, Sawbonez always felt like the best medic but now here is Phoenix

Phoenix is slightly better overall, there only two downsides: the HP and don’t having the ability to throw around some medpacks so your teammates can pick em only if is neccesary

My sugesstion is to make sawbonez a little bit faster, decrace reduced self heal OR totaly remove it(phoenix hasn’t)
and make sawbonez a MEDIC/ENGINEER

Hope you agree and feel free to comment[/quote]

Sawbonez healing potential is way out in front of Phoenix. They’re not even close. Sawbonez is the king of gimmedats.

I am seeing Phoenix everywhere, but this is because of the recent giveaway. I do really like having access to the KEK, and he is ever so slightly faster than Sawbonez and this makes a real difference when dueling and making that last second revive in a tight situation. Also, combat heals.

I wouldn’t be against giving Phoenix a very small buff to his healing capabilities in the form of reduced cooldown, even if it’s just one second.

[streetwiseSailboat]

Sawbonez can give teammates their full hp with health packs that cool down after seven seconds. Phoenix can only heal to maximum of 80 (96 with augments) health with a cool down of twelve seconds.

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

As much as I love Phoenix, he does not completely outclasses Sawbonez - they each have their own areas where they shine. However, Sawbonez problem is that his effectiveness is highly dependent on his teams competence. Phoenix can get the job done even when allies are oblivious, as he just needs to be near them. Sawbonez requires allies to take cover and not dodge your medpack so they can heal up. Half the time I play Sawbonez I feel like I inadvertently end up being a better medic for the enemies than my allies…

exactly

[Myself_Deal_with_it]

Sawbonez can give teammates their full hp with health packs that cool down after seven seconds. Phoenix can only heal to maximum of 80 (96 with augments) health with a cool down of twelve seconds.

but Phoenix heals everybody in the area