Phantom Poll


(DMaster2) #41

That’s the thing, he’s more of a tanky ambushing 1v1 merc, not a low-life fast hit and hide merc.

I think the only reason people are complaining is because they misunderstood what his role is. He’s not a spy, he’s a skyhammer with a twist ![/quote]
Except he has more health when in stealth, it’s faster and people have an hard time noticing it in the first place before he slice you?


(Shaker) #42

So there’s 2 possibilities when you’re playing as a Skyhammer:

  1. You don’t spot him. You get killed and he gets away with it because you were not playing with your team. Or you get killed and then your teammates kill him.
  2. You spot him and shoot him. What can he do ? He’s not so fast. If you’re moving backwards and consistently hitting him, melee is out of the question. He can use his SMG then, but it’s weaker than the M4.

Conclusion: Skyhammer wins.

He’s slightly faster than the other 1v1 killing mercs but he doesn’t pack so much punch so overall it’s balanced.

Frankly you keep repeating this “more health when in stealth” argument but it doesn’t make any sense because when you encounter him his shield has probably depleted by half. And he can’t use his gun while cloaked. So sorry but that argument is simply wrong.


(DMaster2) #43

[quote=“Shaker;41504”]So there’s 2 possibilities when you’re playing as a Skyhammer:

  1. You don’t spot him. You get killed and he gets away with it because you were not playing with your team. Or you get killed and then your teammates kill him.
  2. You spot him and shoot him. What can he do ? He’s not so fast. If you’re moving backwards and consistently hitting him, melee is out of the question. He can use his SMG then, but it’s weaker than the M4.

Conclusion: Skyhammer wins.

He’s slightly faster than the other 1v1 killing mercs but he doesn’t pack so much punch so overall it’s balanced.

Frankly you keep repeating this “more health when in stealth” argument but it doesn’t make any sense because when you encounter him his shield has probably depleted by half. And he can’t use his gun while cloaked. So sorry but that argument is simply wrong.[/quote]
Except i wasn’t referring on a 1-on-1 duel between Skyhammer and Phantom, but how they perform in the game. The double health does matter because a lot of times he will try and slice you to death. At which point you try to kill it first while going back, and here’s where the shield matter. As for the gun, any decent phantom player won’t go 1 on 1 with the smg against another merc unless he have the advantage (ie you didn’t notice him/he got behind you - in which case he’ll probably katana you in the back i guess)


(Glot) #44

to the time, when his shield is down all the SMG (let alone MP) spread goes to the max. and then you are dueling VS a 120HP merc with best SMG and no spread and your clip is prbbly close to zero.
with similar skill all light mercs and medics are doomed.


(Shaker) #45

This falls under point 1 because he managed to sneak on you and you’re alone. If you’re with your team when he does that he’s quickly spotted and killed.

Then what ? The SMG is still his only backup plan when he gets spotted.


(DMaster2) #46

This falls under point 1 because he managed to sneak on you and you’re alone. If you’re with your team when he does that he’s quickly spotted and killed.

Then what ? The SMG is still his only backup plan when he gets spotted.[/quote]
Nope, i’ve actually saw Phantoms cloack in and rush to try and kill me even if he knew i spotted him.


(Shaker) #47

Then if your team is around he’s dead.


(savoryLettuce) #48

People yelling “OP” and “Nerf” ist definitly NOT the feedback the dev team needs.


(RaubRitter) #49

Just finished a game against 3 Phantoms working as a team. 1 each cloaked a choke point coming out of spawn, last 1 cloaked at objective. Run past and you are stabbed in back. Get to objective and you are stabbed setting C4 or carrying objective.

Get rid of him or gives us thermal sights to equalize, otherwise his is just a basement boy’s wet dream killing everyone (like the old days of using God Cheats like my insecure nephew loved).

Otherwise, you will lose a lot of new players as they get massacred along with their team.


(crimsonYouth) #50

[quote=“RaubRitter;41628”]Just finished a game against 3 Phantoms working as a team. 1 each cloaked a choke point coming out of spawn, last 1 cloaked at objective. Run past and you are stabbed in back. Get to objective and you are stabbed setting C4 or carrying objective.

Get rid of him or gives us thermal sights to equalize, otherwise his is just a basement boy’s wet dream killing everyone (like the old days of using God Cheats like my insecure nephew loved).

Otherwise, you will lose a lot of new players as they get massacred along with their team.[/quote]

So you knew what their strategy was and couldn’t counter it? XD
…anyways I think teamwork should always win.


(Spiral) #51

He needs time to mature, like all the cheesiest classes.


(DMaster2) #52

Well i was in the back. But yeah, sometimes i killed him, sometimes a teammate avenged me.

You are still getting facts wrong mate, because if the devs needed only stats there would be no point in this forum except for the bug/technical support section. So please don’t try to defend your wrong statement any further.


(Ghosthree3) #53

You do know the devs don’t actually read this forum right? They use their own forums. This is the sandbox for all the players to kick sand in each others eyes when they’re angry.