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(tokamak) #21

How are you going to pull that off? Defib someone to death?

(abnorm) #22

…do you ever played w:et?

Only a tiny proportion of the W:ET fanbase care about that stuff.

really?

(tokamak) #23

Not having to preselect your melee weapon means you’re not actually risking anything.

Anyway, as far as I gained from the Q&A’s is that hand guns allow for having a melee weapon in the other hand and the rest of the (two handed) weapons will have to do it with a weapon butt. I hope the knife will have some kind of advantage over the weapon butt to compensate.

(Senethro) #24

[QUOTE=abnorm;213897]…do you ever played w:et?
[/quote]
Yeah and the CoD4 melee is faster to use. I can’t imagine what you’re thinking.

really?

yah rly

cf.nu makes the mistake of thinking they’re the w:et fanbase when really its the jaymod and NQ players. Sorry.

(DarkangelUK) #25

You have to get in close and you can’t shoot during the melee animation, you’re risking quite a bit

(H0RSE) #26

you cant shot in this time so its pretty the same. but a selectable knife is a way more faster because you dont have this long animation like in bfbc2 for example.
if brink will have a melee attack and a seperate knife I dont care. but if you only have instant melee it would really hurt me.
Whatever they choose to do with melee, I hope it’s none of that one hit kill BS. I hate in games nowadays, where you can unload like a clip of bullets into someone and they won’t die, but knife them once, anywhere on there body, and they die instantly…what?! really?!..that is so lame. If they want to use the butt of the gun, and have it stun or disorient a player, that is reasonable, or even if they have class specific backstab kills, I can even live with that. But you have to get rid of these one hit knife kills. There are few things that kills the fun and flow of a game more than one hit melee kills. Stick to the philosophy, “Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.” Especially a knife that does more damage than a gun.

(Cankor) #27

Source for this?

(tokamak) #28

That saying is an advice to not meet a challenge under-prepared or under-equiped. Exactly the opposite of what you’re argueing for.

Really, what’s your real problem with knifes? You already said you had no problems with gunbuts.

(H0RSE) #29

Really, what’s your real problem with knifes? You already said you had no problems with gunbuts.
The gun-butts I propose don’t kill you in one hit, and don’t do more damage than bullets. They may disorient you or stun, still giving you a chance to fight back, opposed to the one hit knife that kills you instantly anywhere it his you.

That saying is an advice to not meet a challenge under-prepared or under-equiped. Exactly the opposite of what you’re argueing for.
you can still meet a challenge without OHK melee attacks…say we’re in a firefight, and you run out of ammo, now you already hit me a good amount with bullets, so now you you finish me off with a gun-butt or or some knife slashes. THAT is meeting a challenge, not charging full speed at someone as the fill you full of bullets, and instantly killing you with a knife…that’s just f*** lame.

Source for this?

http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205092&postcount=592

(Jamieson) #30

I would be against an instant melee button as well as a Instant Melee kill. Games like COD are just redicilous how people can run round a corner and knife someone to death.

I would prefer if it was more like ET where you could only 1 hit knife kill people in the back or ETQW were only coverts/Infiltrators can do it. Oterwise there is no point in being a Covert or being stealthy to knife someone in the back.

(Cankor) #31

agree 100%

(Senethro) #32

If you get killed by melee then the only lameness is you. Firstly you’ve got just as much chance to melee them as they do you as long as your relexes are good enough. Secondly if they’re that close then why aren’t you triple headshotting them?

If they surprise you or attack from behind then you were dead anyway, so why worry?

(Ryan) #33

[QUOTE=Senethro;213955]If you get killed by melee then the only lameness is you. Firstly you’ve got just as much chance to melee them as they do you as long as your relexes are good enough. Secondly if they’re that close then why aren’t you triple headshotting them?
[/QUOTE]

Kinda hard if the melee is INSTANT death

We should all forget about the gun and stick to the knife?

(H0RSE) #34

If you get killed by melee then the only lameness is you.
Yeah, so if I’m in a firefight, and get knifed and instantly killed by a third party, obviously the only lameness is me being a newb…

Firstly you’ve got just as much chance to melee them as they do you as long as your relexes are good enough.
Guy sneaks up behind me and insta-kills me with a knife, but I had just as much chance to melee him? Reflexes mean nothing when all it takes is one hit and you don’t even know they are there.

If they surprise you or attack from behind then you were dead anyway, so why worry?
If it is instant kill then yes, but if not, you can still turn around and have a chance to survive. Just like the countless times I’ve been shot at from behind, and turn around and killed him first.

If a shooter has a melee weapon, it should be looked at like a last resort, not as something that is potentially stronger than the guns.

(Senyin) #35

Are you taking about insta-kills here or not? Because if you are, I’m sorry, but what you
are saying is nonsense.
Are you saying it’s your own fault if you get insta-killed by melee?

[QUOTE=Senethro;213955]
If they surprise you or attack from behind then you were dead anyway[/QUOTE]
Yes, but only with insta-kills.

It’s quite the contradiction
-It’s your own fault for not having good enough reflexes
-If it happens there is nothing you can do about it anyway

I agree with Jamieson:
I would be against an instant melee button as well as a Instant Melee kill

(DarkangelUK) #36

I’d probably like instant kill from behind and a normal damage system from the front and side Halo style. I like when you’re both of out ammo on a firefight and its down to either switching to your handgun or going in the melee kill… and when both go for it, it gets intense.

(Jamieson) #37

Agree 100%

(H0RSE) #38

'd probably like instant kill from behind and a normal damage system from the front and side Halo style.

I would like to further fine-tune this concept, and have insta-kill backstabs a class specific skill, not universal.

(Senethro) #39

You were outnumbered, you were dead anyway.

Guy sneaks up behind me and insta-kills me with a knife, but I had just as much chance to melee him? Reflexes mean nothing when all it takes is one hit and you don’t even know they are there.

You were moving too slow or not being aware enough which lead to someone being behind you. Being behind someone is practically an insta-kill so you were dead anyway.

If it is instant kill then yes, but if not, you can still turn around and have a chance to survive. Just like the countless times I’ve been shot at from behind, and turn around and killed him first.

As far as we know its not typically insta-kill. About a month back it was reported as a knockdown melee attack with a two handed weapon that gives you a chance to kill them but if hes got friends then they’ll probably get you first. If you melee with a one handed weapon you’ll stab them with a knife. That may or may not be instakill.

If a shooter has a melee weapon, it should be looked at like a last resort, not as something that is potentially stronger than the guns.

You know how many people trying to defend themselves against muggers get shot with their own gun? If its realism you’re worried about then meleeing gun users happens. There are circumstances where it works and others where its suicidal, but it happens.

(Senethro) #40

[QUOTE=Senyin;213962]Are you taking about insta-kills here or not? Because if you are, I’m sorry, but what you
are saying is nonsense.
Are you saying it’s your own fault if you get insta-killed by melee?[/quote]
Yes. You were poorly prepared, insufficiently aware or purposefully put yourself in a bad position if you got meleed.

It’s quite the contradiction
-It’s your own fault for not having good enough reflexes
-If it happens there is nothing you can do about it anyway

Theres lots of things that when they happen theres nothing you can do about them. Killed by grenade spam in chokepoints, getting headshot from a concealed position while walking down a long straight street. On the face of it they seem unfair but really you made the mistake 10 seconds ago by taking a risky route.