PB and ET support!!

(zbzero) #1

Since yesterday i have checked my server and also others server with PB enabled and seems to all the pb servers are with problems, weh i try check players guids its not shows how many days the guid has and also not allow ppls to get a new guid, after i check it i come to http://www.evenbalance.com and try to look if there was any kind of info about PB updates but i didnt see ET in the supported games list anymore, i also check if there has any info about evenbalace stop the support of ET but no info at all!
Maybe someone have any info about what happens with PB and ET???
This is the end of days of ET???
Since TZAC (SLAC) only support etpro and no others MOD’s what will happens to all the pub servers???

(hellreturn) #2

Probably dropped…

(zbzero) #3

I find that right now at PBBans http://www.pbbans.com/forums/pb-support-discontinued-for-enemy-territory-t147199.html

Seems EvenBalance has stop the support for Enemy Territory

(acQu) #4

This pretty much breaks my mod project into pieces, and others as well, who rely on PB guid for XPSAVE or Admin System.

[edit]:

Streaming support will continue for the time being.

What does that mean, does it imply guid generation support ? Caus that would ease the bad news at least a bit…

(zbzero) #5

i ask then that because i really dont know where they did get this info in evenbalance site not have any kind of info, a friend have his pc formated yesterday and cant play in servers with PB on, seems almost all admin systems/mods will need to find another way to recognize the players!!!

(jemstar) #6

Is it possible for pub mods to be adapted to generate a guid like id locally? Not sure if this is a silly question, I just dont want ET to end!!

(stealth6) #7

It’s possible, I suggested it on the nitmod and jaymod forums a while ago. It should be implemented in the next version of nitmod, but jaymod turned my idea down.

@NM: I don’t think new guids will be generated, the streaming support refers to the banning system (it’s on the pbbans site)

(jemstar) #8

Thats great!! Thanks stealth6!!! My server is NQ hopefully they can take it on board!!

(hellreturn) #9

It would suck without PB. i guess finally SD/Activision found some way to push ET players to buy boring Brink. (Already have one but never played after DLC.)

I mean EB is supporting “Wolfenstein” which no freaking person plays… why not support ET instead of “Wolfenstein” ???

In all this stupid corporate BS, why players/admin have to suffer and why they can’t enjoy the game? Tell me, if I am wrong.

(stealth6) #10

Well I doubt this is some elaborate scheme to get you to buy Brink (Aren’t the titles owned by different companies?)

I don’t think you can really blame them and what would you do in their position? ET is a FREE game… Anyway it’s admirable that they kept supporting it for so long, even if the support was sometimes questionable.

You can still enjoy the game too, as long as you already have a key :smiley: and even without what are you missing? XP save and adminlevels - definitely the most important part of the game /sarcasm

Anyway hopefully some solutions appear soon.

(zbzero) #11

PBBans said today about no more support for ET too, Im really sad evenbalance has dropped the support of ET and no announcement about that before it ends, if they announce it some days ago the servers owners can prepare yourselfs for this and to try get a new system working but now with that sadly surprise we are all f@#$%!!.

PBBans: http://www.pbbans.com/forums/pb-support-discontinued-for-enemy-territory-t147199.html/page__pid__381297#entry381297

(Paul) #12

Some people are currently trying to get a fix, I hope to get new fresh information asap

(Nail) #13

afaik, PBSETUP still works

(hunterthebest) #14

[QUOTE=Paul;380659]Some people are currently trying to get a fix, I hope to get new fresh information asap[/QUOTE] Let’s hope;

(hunterthebest) #15

How about the masterserver? Will they drop it too? ( Can make bigger problems )

(hellreturn) #16

If Activision / SD drop master server list then the game will be officially dead.

(Paul) #17

The only fix I can think of at the moment is create a new ET installer which will also create a new etkey

(BigBear) #18

Hi!

I have read the problem thank you for the report.

In your goal to do a Custom GUID : CusGUID

1) Could be interesting to get the server Source code of the Server from Even Balance [I Can provide you in PM the email of a Developer PunkBuster from Even Balance if you want it] ; I have already talked with him there is a long time ago.

2) CusGUID idea can create many problems : because your own custom GUID (CusGUID) for each server need to use a custom header for each server (for example by a Cvar) and to include it inside each encrypted CusGUID (GUID/etkey) to prevent the use of the etkey by any other servers ! (In the goal of prevent GUID Faking) : in fact any keys must be able to be decrypted by the server and to be unique (Header must be a part of the Encryption key). Create an encryption is easy for who have some kind of basics. [But take care about the fact that the server.cfg file can be sometime downloaded by some malicious persons].

3) We need to have a quick solution I think like point 1 to get the server quick and to open one quick in agreement with the Most hosting companies can be good : at the condition they manage the Server for all server. And that is the only problem ! : how to get the money and who will pay what ? It is why the custom CusGUID of point 2 is perhaps a good idea but harder and longer to create !

Technical aspects & Time are the problem !
Solution 1 quicker but give the problems explained in point 3
Solution 2 is slower but can be more reliable.

A problem will rest :

All players could lost their XP ! If you decide to use Solution 2 !

I have suggested to some Modders to create a global Forum to host all WET’s MODs & Modders on the same Forum, but nobody have listen to me…

Now you understand about of what I am speaking and why…

Like I have already said : Future of WET pass by the fact of all Modders & Admins to work together and to stop to fight, complain, & “to stop Fight the one against the other one” ! (hey “Rune” alias “B4st4rd” ** how are you ? oops…)

You like WET, you want it to exist forever? Now those choices are needed ! Because there are no other ways !

:wink:

(BigBear) #19

Please find here some questions or suggestions that you should ask to yourself…

*** Please, Can you ask to Even Balance to continue Support ETKEY/GUID *** The time many good peoples can find and propose some possible solution ?

Very nice and Thank you for what you proposed :slight_smile:
(And too very nice because too you have the knowledge and the Coding level ;))

but please see my previous post…

Please, if possible :

Yes but it could be good if you can include in your new version the 2.55+ Patch :slight_smile:
[It mean that could permit to connect and to play to any server version by a transparent way]
[But for information I prefer frag quality of 2.55 ; not all will agree… but some think like me too]

==> Let appear 2.55 & 2.6x Servers in the same Name Server list
(but not sure can be possible because seem to come from client side & from Name Servers management related to used ETDED version)
==> To permit to any client to be able to connect any versions of Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Server

How ?
Perhaps include the code of all versions in the ETDED & create a detect system that permit to use the two
(but all of that depend of the way you managed the data streaming)

2.55+/original 2.60b included - Enemy Territory server patch - “wwwdl exploit” workaround"
http://equalone.freeunix.net/index.php?index=6
http://equalone.freeunix.net/download/etded3/win/etded.zip
http://equalone.freeunix.net/download/etded3/linux/etded.zip

Here another version that speak of other things but I am not sure it could be like “wwwdl exploit” workaround"
http://fearless-assassins.com/forum/topic/9484-wet-wwwdl-overflow-fix/
http://www.gamersfiles.net/files/28-ET+Full+Download+and+Patches/1099-ET+wwwdl+overflow+fix

** Part of text removed by myself because of security risks **

Evgeny Yakimov have created too some QMM Bugfixes for WET

>> Other important question : Will ID Software continue to manage names of servers ?

>>> Can ID Software agree to manage the WET GUID Server from Even Balance ? It can be perhaps more easy to solve the problem… [All is a question of money and if Hosting companies can agree to pay a fee to ID Software ?]

If possible that only etkey enabled (but others Punkbuster’s features disabled) ?
>>>> Can a Server like for example Splatter Ladder agree to host the WET GUID Server from Even Balance ?
=====> If custom GUID = No More players Stats global Tracking

Do what you can…
Thank you for all :wink:

(Burneddi) #20

It’s not like dropping PB support will really change anything. Most publamod servers I’ve visited in the past one or two years haven’t even used PB (“because it lags”) and instead banned cheaters and other undesirables by hand.

Additionally, most public mods’ (ok, I only know for sure about Jaymod and some versions of etadmin mod) admin and xpsavefeatures weren’t even based on pbguid directly, but instead on the read-only variable cl_guid. cl_guid was, by default, your pbguid though, but seeing that it’s merely a cvar, it can be changed extremely easily: sometimes just putting “seta cl_guid loltitties” in your autoexec was enough. Alternatively one can use a cvar unlocker (a homebrew one can be easily made by downloding the ET source code, commenting out lines 414 to 427 in cvar.c, compiling and using this newly compiled client executable. It may be enough to just use it until the main menu and then using seta to set cl_guid, especially if you’ve disabled PB from ET and removed your etkey file, but Jaymod for instance has no file integrity checking of its own that I’m aware of).

Anyway, dropping PB support essentially means that acquiring new, regularly generated ET GUIDs will become impossible, which then means that servers will see an increasing influx of players with guid “UNKNOWN”. However, it also means that etkey (the guid file) integrity will not be enforced, which in turn means that a third-party tool to generate them would be fairly simple to make. Note that this wouldn’t make it any less difficult to spoof another person’s guids for yourself if you know them, as that has always been possible (for most mods I’m aware of) with a cvar unlocker, and for ETPro (back when etadmin mod used ETPro GUIDs) with a separate guidspoofer tool. Nowadays ETPro has TZAC, whose guids can’t be spoofed.

Ways to repair this problem would be creating an innate GUID system for each mod (compare to ETPro GUIDs, a feature implemented in 2005 or so :P). This would have its drawbacks: the algorithm would eventually be cracked, and the GUIDs would then be spoofable. Also the GUIDs would probably be mod specific, unless a larger collaborative effort was made by various popular mod devs - and seeing how retarded^W competitive most of them seem to be, it’s not going to happen.

Alternatively you could plead Chaplja to add support for other mods than ETPro into his anticheat, TZAC. As far as I can remember, this was a planned feature several months ago, but I haven’t heard anything from it since. Also it’s really up to the mod developers, as he probably doesn’t want to do all the support work himself. Problems would include convincing players and server owners to download this new anticheat.

A third way would be just to deal with it. PB wasn’t a necessary part of mod functionality, but pbguid indirectly was. Now that GUIDs are no longer enforced, it should be fairly simple to create them yourself - although I haven’t really looked into it.

Disclaimer: I don’t endorse or admit any practice described in this post. Any information provided in this message is for enlightement purposes only, and is not intended to harm any individual player or serveradmin. Also, Fluttershy is best pony.