Panzer and flamethrower

(Laiton) #1

First, there are quite many people complaining about panzer being too good. Well, what’s the job of a soldier? Killing. If a soldier could only use the MP-40, he would have been owned by a medic. Also, a solder can’t lvl in any way except killing, so killing should be what he’s best at. Remove panzer and mortar from the soldier and you have a class noone will play as.

Flamethrowers are great, except: When you try to kill someone with a flamethrower, you often end up cooking yourself. Now, if the flamethrower guy had a protective suit that made him immune to the flames, he wouldn’t be overpowered, but not underpowered either. How does that sound?

(Vetinari) #2

not immune… but a protection from own flames (say for example ~50%) would be ok

(evilsock) #3

nay Mr Wilks - just learn how the flames bounce of surfaces and you’ll be fine not fried :slight_smile:

(pgh) #4

Yep exactly. Its like saying giving the Soldier (~100% damage to self regarding Panzer)… it’d be like Clan Arena going wheeeeeeeeee… well not exactly but still. :]

Learn how to use the Flamethrower and tbh, if it means your being killed everytime you kill someone dont ya think you must be doing something wrong? :wink:

Other than that, close this thread tbh… it’ll turn into another panzer/flame llama debate.

(evilsock) #5

awww - but then I won’t get to harp on about nasty Field Ops teaming up with bad-ass flamers to create the infamous, never-ending ‘zen loop’ of fire - last seen in tight corridors, doorways and in the caves :open_mouth:

(schmeisser) #6

RTCW single player had the flame thrower dudes with the gas mask and heavy coat, you could probably scam or recreate the skin. A small decrease in damage would be fair.
Getting panzer-spammed sucks, but as an MG42 user, I can see it’s the best way to counter that advantage. I played Oasis the other day, made the mistake of setting up my MG the same place twice, WHAMMO, this guy was an artist with a panzer, wasted me repeatedly.

(pgh) #7

Yeh. Never defend from the same place twice… kinda gives away the element of suprise dont you think? :stuck_out_tongue:

Its easy enough to stick to an area around 3/4 different places at a time, doubling up for single spawns maybe but not same place 4/4 per spawn. :slight_smile:

(next_ghost) #8

Learn how to use the Flamethrower and tbh, if it means your being killed everytime you kill someone dont ya think you must be doing something wrong?

Sure he does. Panzerfaust and flamethrower are NOT supposed to be used in direct combat. Otherwise, u’ll get killed after killing one enemy at best. Fighting from cover or around corner is what they rule!

(Redqueen) #9

Yeah that’s like me heh. The Panzer is my scalpel. It’s not unusual for me to get 175 frags or more in one 3 map cycle.

(ElderNewb) #10

nay Mr Wilks - just learn how the flames bounce of surfaces and you’ll be fine not fried

That and trying to flame and running forward at the same time :banghead:

i tend to stay away from the flamer (but can be fun sometimes) and stick to panzer /MG

(pgh) #11

The thing with Flamethrower tho is you should really be leaning round corners of choke points/entrances and on NME incomings firing while backing off instead of foward. Apart from in action movies where have you ever see a pyro run at someone while firing? :]

It always consists of moving backwards or slowly fowards at an angle (5-40) like a crab. :stuck_out_tongue:

(L2|B4tt3rY) #12

ET panzers are weak and lame, u wont find more than 3 man kills often at all, 3 man kills are a novulty. its just when servers done limit the amount of panzers it gets out of hand 3 panzers a team gets annoying. the ET panzer needs to have more spread but only 1 max a team

(pgh) #13

Well depends where you look.

Clan games are rather easy and often more difficult to get a single man kill than group kills. Its very rare to come across any players attackin in single groups and tbh, if there is a single player attacking you should be pistoling him anyway saving your panzer shot for the group coming behind him no doubt… :]

On public players tendencies are to wander about doing the objectives there own way. Unlike clan games, its very rare to see any regular player getting group kills unless there near by spawn for the simple fact that people dont go in 2’s +.

(puubert) #14

I agree, it’s very difficult to get multi-kill shots because the enemy doesn’t run in groups. If the enemy ran nicely in 3 man groups there wouldn’t be a problem.

As for pistoling someone, you’re just going to die. What are the chances of you taking down someone halfway decent with a SMG? They would have to be a total noob or low on health. I always use the panzer in 1 on 1’s, not only does it guarantee a kill, it mightily pisses off the other person. I ony use the pistol when an enemy is not directly attacking me, like in a 3rd man in situation.

For ET at least, the most effective Panzer soldider is the one that stays alive long enough to fire off at least 3 of his rounds every spawn. Even if they are all 1 kill hits, that’s still 3 kills/1death.

(Redqueen) #15

Wait till you start using the Panzer on a 64 player server…

Wow that was fun, on Fuel Dump…Cluster fucking the corridors.

(ElderNewb) #16

It’s funniest when you are able to get people who are standing round a medic or field ops waiting to get served. Just aim for the middle guy and let spash dmaage do the rest :beer: