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(H0RSE) #41

SMART system - bye bye trick jumping

Isn’t trickjumping kind of built into the system, with all the parkour type stuff you can do?

Persistent Ranks - rewards time played not skill, great so now we are playing an MMO

This is optional. They have already stated you can turn off the matchmaking and play with whoever you want. And how is it “rewarding” them? It matches players of similar level to play together. Yeah, that’s some reward…

Achievements another gimmick

Um, I think they are mandatory for console games, and Steam supports them as well…this isn’t something SD just made up.

Crappy grenades and 1 button does all system, did you see Wolfenstein? it was terrible… another console feature.

The one dedicated nade button works wonders, on both PC and console.

VOIP off by defualt, great for consoles but seriously who was in that meeting? were the guys working on the PC versione even there? no serious PC gamer would go yeah thats a great idea… because its ******************* retarded.
You’re acting as if they removed VOIP entirely…if you want it on. turn it on. I have never once used VOIP in any shooter ever on PC, except when it was mandatory for clan matches. The game is still 100% playable either way.

Steam just another step to systems like Xbox live etc and monopilies terrible idea.

Yes, I’m sure their reasoning for choosing Steam was to consolize the PC version…Steam is a great service, stop hating.

I’m glad its delayed, maybe SD can have a good look at themselves and realise what they are doing. The reality is though that they probably have, what do you get, Sellouts $$$$$$. Nice way to thank the people that supported you over the last 7 years, its got IW written all over it.

Yes, I’m sure they are sellouts, and their decisions are 100% theirs, and have nothing to do with Bethesda…Remember, the gaming industry is a business - they don’t owe you anything.

(Jamieson) #42

No, Trickjumping is an art form that requires real skill and practice to learn, I can do pretty much every single jump in ETQW, I spent a very long time finding lots of them and teaching other people how to do them. Now the Smart button comes along and people just press a button and the game does it for you, thats not trickjumping.

It is optional but its a horrible system, I have lvl 10 weapons and rewards my friend starts playing and is lvl 1. he can use the matchmaking system and play against fair opponents but can’t play with me, He plays with me and he gets his arse kicked by all the lvl 10 opponents. Just don’t have any system and then atleast people can play with their friends.

No your right but SD decided to use Steam along with all the other problems steam presents.

Thats a matter of opinion, I play comp and I along with many other skilled players do not like the system at all, it restricts your control and freedom. Why not use both systems? notice how I’ am willing to keep the 1 nade button aslong as we get a proper weapon bank. Unlike you who jusr dismisses everything as not a problem.

The game is playable, hell Wolfenstein was playable you could do the objectives and win, does not mean it was good though does it? The fact that you have never used VOIP supports my argument, on the PC IT IS NOT USED ENOUGH, we want to encourage it more not get rid of it, and thats will happen if you go with defualt off. Its still there but it will be worthless, ANY PC PLAYER WOTH THEIR SALT WILL TELL YOU ITS ******************* RETARDED NOT TO HAVE IT ON BY DEFUALT.

Your not very observant are you, I didn’t say it was the same I said it was like it aka similar. I also did not say that SD did it on purpose but that it was one of the features that made it a console game. Again “steam is a great service” is your opinion, to many people its a crap service and they don’t like it, I don’t like it.

Fact is does Jamieson buy Brink? No Jamieson does not, SD just lost £40.

They do owe their fans, We bought there products in the past and supported them when they were no one, same as the football fans who support their team and buy their merchandise. Maybe you don’t agree because you just heard of Brink and SD and don’t care but like the fans who supported IW when they were PC only SD does owe them. IW crapped on their fans and it looks like SD is going downt he same route for the money. As I said Sellouts $$$$$$.

To be honest Horse just do me a favour and STFU, im sick of you and the SD justice league crap, nothings wrong, everything is perfect… blah blah blah.

How much is SD paying you? ae you a plant ? or just blind?

(0xT1) #43

I agree with H0RSE =p

(H0RSE) #44

Maybe you don’t agree because you just heard of Brink and SD and don’t care
I’ve been playing SD games since W:ET and before that, I played RTCW heavily. ET was when I got into clans and competitions, so know I didn’t just hear of Brink or SD.

Oh, and I like how you say “that’s your opinion,” to some of my points, as though yours are fact…

(INF3RN0) #45

I can live with some of the decisions, I think that some can work, and then I completely hate others, but one thing I can say is I am not going to find the silver lining in everything. In order to send a message you need to be harsh at times and not support the continuous down spiral of a game development. I’m not going to be like “oh I guess that won’t be a problem if you say so SD” all the time, but still Brink might come out and be everything that we don’t want it to be. Either way, I was really counting on the game to deliver on the features that make me want to play SD games as opposed to everything else out there. I was ready to pre-order a year in advance, but from what I have been seeing so far I think I will be waiting for a demo before I spend my money (mostly because I have hope for SDK). Overall though, I don’t mind having something “non-comp style” (I use that term very loosely) that is fun, but I can’t stand broken. Anyways if there is no beta/alpha, there better be some amazing game footage getting pumped out in the meantime… and no more recycling.

(adhesive) #46

okay i kinda just browsed through this but Smart should’nt close off possibilities should actually open up more if ur good enough with comboing strafe with SMART but i also dont like the fact they have set places to use SMART thats kinda dumb imo but that can be fixed by custom maps. btw trick jumping means strafing and doing tricks to make a hard jump.

(H0RSE) #47

but i also dont like the fact they have set places to use SMART thats kinda dumb imo but that can be fixed by custom maps.
They don’t have pre-set places to use SMART…ike they said in the dev diary:

“Our level designers don’t set up specific spots for players to use mantles, vaults and slides – the system simply pre-calculates where they’re possible.”

btw trick jumping means strafing and doing tricks to make a hard jump.

Which will still be possible with SMART. Like the example from the CoG interview:

“Aubrey, our technical designer in charge of SMART, surprised all of us one time by running up a staircase, jumping at the end of the railing towards a big statue, wall-hopping off that statue sideways, and grabbing onto an upper ledge that no one thought could be reached. It was great because it cut off at least 10 seconds of his travel time to the front line. So far, no one else has been able to pull this move off again, not even Aubrey!”

you will still need to “master” using SMART both manually and just the button, to take full advantage over it. You can just hold down the button and expect to do everything a “pro” can do.

(adhesive) #48

oh sweet thats awesome, when i heard set points i was thinking oh god dumb down for console community. =/ btw im going to start referring “the console community” the C plague:D:eek:

(NiNja) #49

Fact is… SD and Brink just lost 1 less Douchy player that they don’t have to worry about their constant incessive nagging and whiny little snarky remarks about how much no one really cares about their opinion. DO us all a favor and you STFU… If you only have negative stuff to say… Then I’m SO HAPPY that you aren’t buying it because it’s A-Holes like you that ruin amazing games for the masses.

(INF3RN0) #50

Don’t worry, manual won’t be the same as ET style TJing, but according to some stuff they said in interviews you can do things that you wouldn’t be able to in SMART. So yea tjing is there, but its a new kind of tjing.

(adhesive) #51

i like et style tjing because i know it works if manual or what ever is better ill be very happy. could you link me the stuff on manual LOL inferno :wink:!

(H0RSE) #52

this explains SMART pretty well. http://brink.chefenco.com/brink-developer-diary-4/

(SockDog) #53

No but you can disagree and argue in a constructive manner but ultimately you have to respect SD is the one designing the game and they’re they ones who live with the decisions.

There’s plenty I don’t like or am concerned about with Brink, I’ve aired them numerous time here, ad nauseam. I hope in a small way those discussions prompt discussions within SD whether that be for Brink or SD’s next game. What I doubt works is suggesting they’re sellouts and so stupid they need to take direct advice from a gamer.

Really, respect costs nothing.

(LyndonL) #54

I just don’t understand all the people who keep claiming that “this is the last straw, I’m not buying this game ever”… Then the next day you see them posting adamantly on some point. If you’re not interested in the game and don’t want it, why do you care enough to write about it!?

(adhesive) #55

[QUOTE=LyndonL;229634]I just don’t understand all the people who keep claiming that “this is the last straw, I’m not buying this game ever”… Then the next day you see them posting adamantly on some point. If you’re not interested in the game and don’t want it, why do you care enough to write about it!?[/QUOTE] well for me if this game fails iv lost hope in sd because i played etqw and it was a total failure imo. oh and Horse thanks for the link that was pretty cool but i want to be able to strafe jump and gain speed as well as a manual smart “while still holding SMART to ensure you nail the vault” id like the ability to turn that on and off -.-

(Reanimator) #56

I don’t understand what you mean by turning it on and off… SMART is only activated if you press the SMART button.

(adhesive) #57

from what i read you hold the button down and it will trigger smart as soon as you hit the edge of a ledge “lol” or the top of a wall.

(Jamieson) #58

Because for some people such as myself, we see SD as the last hope of a decent game in an ever increasing gaming scene which is orientated towards the consoles. This can be seen with the ever increasing amount of console ports and games dubbed down to suit the masses. It’s no longer about making good games but games that are easy. You know you’re in trouble when mainstream game reviewers give a game a negative review for having to steep a learning curve…

Sadly as I mentioned above it seems SD is moving along the same line as other PC developers, IW used to be a PC exclusive developer, their success was built on the original Call of duty games, their fans supported them and then IW ignored them and didn’t treat them particularly nice with MW2. I have supported SD ever since W:ET released. I love their games.

That’s why I care, I may not buy the game because I don’t like the way SD is going but I can still care and discuss things. That’s why people protest, they may know it will come to nothing but it’s about making a statement and making your feelings known. I have every right to question SD’s actions and people such as myself should not be penalised for doing so.

Edit

As far as I know its active all the time or how else would you be able to slide around all over the place. I think you press the smart button and depending where you are it does stuff, e.g. if you are on the floor and you look down it will make you slide, near a wall and you look up it makes you jump up and climb over etc. = trickjumping is dead and pointless, SD didn’t invest all that time and money into creating SMART for nothing, How is doing the jumps manually going to be better? why would SD go to all that trouble for SMART to be worse? does not make sense so don’t get your hopes up for strafe and trickjumps, PRO PC gaming is a dying art.

(MILFandCookies) #59

The game needs to shine at E3, to offset the delay imo.

cough

(darthmob) #60

[QUOTE=Jamieson;229658]How is doing the jumps manually going to be better? why would SD go to all that trouble for SMART to be worse? does not make sense so don’t get your hopes up for strafe and trickjumps, PRO PC gaming is a dying art.[/QUOTE]Write less and read more; it has been said quite often. Anyways I’m off saddling my horse to ride to work. You know that’s how true professionals move. Cars completely ruined the competitiveness and skill of transportation. :rolleyes: