[QUOTE=th0rn3;178614]Im happy you like my landmine. I have made it one day, just for fun and I had no plans to publish it to the net.
But if you like it, I can send it to you :)[/QUOTE]
That would be awsome!! I wont publish it further!! My users will like that for sure!! So if you would please to send it, thanks!! great work
Sended you a pm aswell
Thanks for the nice words 
. Im currently not home, but when I return, I will send it to you.
And I think I have to say, this mine has a realistic dig in the ground, that means, if you step on it, only the top trigger appears.
[QUOTE=lowryder;178613]
@ tnr360
why you suddenly disapeared from weedheaven last year?[/QUOTE]
disapeared from all ET because of school, just came back
@ th0rn3 thats why i liked them they are very realistic in real war you dont see flag sticking out of the ground 
That doesnt make sence And those you made makes it harder for those medic “whores” Surprise surpirse for them 
Just relax will see it when you return
@tnr360
No problem, still people never forgot you (the weedheaven map you planned back then )
But In real life is more important More people are disapearing from et, and then they come eventualy back
@ Jam
molotov was refering to the full post of perry_cox on my board about the map It werent his words what he posted.
Here is the post of perry_cox wich he copyd from my board:
http://www.weedheaven.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9343&postcount=1
I understand JAM’s arguments, but you have to think about one very important thing:
Will this map be FUN to play? ET is a WW2 game. But its a GAME first and foremost, not an educational tool
Children learn about WW2, its hideous and ugly sides, in school. A game like ET should, in my opinion, not be used as an educational or informational device.
Maps can loosly be based on military operations that took place during WW2, but not in a way that alienates an entire nation.
And once again, when making maps, your goal (atleast my goal) should never be “Gee, I wonder if the players will get to learn about concentration camps, gas chambers etc.” Because ET is a medium that does not allow for shades of grey. There are the axis, who are mostly playing defensive and are the “bad” guys. Then there are the allies, who play offsensive and are the “good” guys. Thats it. And I’m not even sure about the good guy/bad guy thing in the first place. Its about defensive/offensive tactical play.
Would you SERIOUSLY ever play as an axis on that map? Would you ever wish to associate yourself in the slightest way, with the ones who stood behind the horrors? I know I would not.
Your goal should always be to strive for a balanced and fun-for-everyone map. I get the feeling that your map might be balanced, but not fun for anyone playing as axis.
This is of course, my opinion and my opinion only.
Hi Lowryder,
Thanks again for hosting the map (however briefly). I don’t want to empty your server and I can understand the sensitivity of the german players. BTW - I played there briefly today - The server is configured nicely and seems to be pretty popular. I also visited your forums and it was nice that there were also people defending the use of the map.
Avoc,
I appreciate your well stated concerns.
My map is only semi-educational as its a hodge podge of constructs from different camps all laid out in a fictional order to best suit game flow. I obviously don’t mind if my game is educational but I clearly see your point that it may add uncomfortable realism for some players.
In deference to that, I didn’t include textures of emaciated prisoners nor piles of bodies. In fact, apparently the camp is deserted except for some soldiers from both sides fighting for control.
The only defense I can say for someone wanting to play axis is - on the map they are not performing the camp atrocities (of forced labor and genocide), they are simply (and only) repelling an invading force. (And, they will have an easier time overall as this map should be very challenging for Allies.)
(sorry for my bad english at first)
Seems you got my comment for your map. So i want to answer your replys, too:
Perrycox -
Who do you think the allies are fighting? Bunnies? Lolcats? Sorry, to be the first to inform you but its Nazi’s. If that offends you then don’t play WW2 games.
First of all, dont talk to me like a little moron. I didnt offend you, i just dont like the idea behind your map. I know ww2 is not about bunnys. But im sorry to inform you, that ET is not a realistic game about the war. Its a team-based game for fun in the ww2 scenario.
Second: the quote from me is edited, so my text might be slightly different (and with a worse english, ofc.)
this pretty much invalidates your comments.
I only mentioned, i dont know how the gameplay, the teamwork, the balance is. But i saw the scene, the idea behind. So no, it doesnt invalidate my comments. Because im not talking about the balance or gameplay.
Its about mass murdering of jewish
There are no jews in this map
Yes, thats true. But i sayed its about mass murdering jewish. You know what happend in ausschwitz or dachau … you say it yourself. So this map is - in fact - about concentration camps. And so its about mass murdering.
True, guess which one actually happened in WW2.
Both. Study the history of ww2.
Its never been funny to me and I don’t portray it as such in this map (which you didn’t test)
No, you say it: its no fun at all. But if its ment to be realistic, then i have to say: its simply not. Have u ever been to a concentration camp? Its a feeling you never forget. You just cant import that to a map.
Reality check -
Arbeit macht frei - you can see this sign if you visit the Auschwitz historical site in Poland. Translates to “work makes you free”.
So you honestly think, im offended by your map, but dont know a thing about history, about nazi-crimes? I saw the signs in RL. Its the worst and diabolic (together with the idea and reality of concentration camps) slogans nazis ever created.
There were aerial photos of Auschwitz taken by the Allies much before the end of the war. The premise for the map is that if the Allies had properly interpreted those photos, maybe they could have sent in a force to liberate the prisoners and destroy the camp.
This is exactly the objective of the map.
Correct me if im wrong:
Arent the allis supposed to deliver a “zyklon b” canister to the crematorium? Is this some sick dark humour? Or did i miss something (i thoght the last step of the map for allis is, to put a canister of “zyklon b” in somewhere)
As it happened, nothing was done for Auschwitz which was eventually discovered at the end of the war by the Soviet Red Army with just a few camp personnel and the prisoners that weren’t able to be hastily evacuated.
I did alot of research about the camps and feel profound sadness for the victims which in addition to the Jews were gypsies, captured soldiers (Soviet POWs were the first victims in Auschwitz I), and even german citizens that were dissidents.
Just for the future:
You try to get your conversational partner look like a moron, by calling some historical facts - and claiming (with that) your partner wouldnt know that. At least thats the way your text works, if you didnt notice. But thats not a way you should argument.
I study history and political theories myself. In germany. I guess i know enough about all this. (I kept it low - f.e. only mentioned jewish - so everyone understands my point.
I wanted to make a map that dealt with an important issue of WW2 and had an important objective. (No disrespect to all the gold-stealing maps)
And thats the point, really. I say: there are some things in life, you cant do a game of. You dont play child-molesting, or? And for me - and a lot of other players too - the idea of fabric-like mass murdering of jewish (and other) ppl., isnt something you can - and should have - fun with.
And if its not the fun you wanted to have, then sorry, ET is just the wrong game for creating a adequate feeling. And then you should put in the pictures of prisoners. And the real cruel that has been done.
But in the way this map is, you only get comments like “omg its HISTORY. Just History. wy the hack people cry for some old crap”. If thats what you wanted, then ok. Have fun with it. Im old enough to know, that some line should not be crossed.
Perrycox, it’s a map for a game. It’s people like you that take things like this so seriously that make it not fun.
Get a life, Lighten up and get over it.
Thats why i (as admin of the server) didnt mind about it Only to prevents rants about it, i removed it for now… doesnt mean that it will not return
Perrycox, it’s a map for a game. It’s people like you that take things like this so seriously that make it not fun.
Get a life, Lighten up and get over it.
Sure its just a game. And i just made a statement - i dont wanna play that map, because of the things i sayed. Did i offend you in any way? No.
For me, there are just some moralic and ethnic lines, i dont wanna cross. If the line is for you elsewhere, or you dont have one at all, its your decision.
I just told you, why ppl. dont like that map, the way it is.
Soooo, if anyone wants my landmine:
http://files.filefront.com/z+th0rn3+landminepk3/;10711865;/fileinfo.html
uploaded just because some of you needed it
Perrycox,
Firstly, you’re english is perfectly fine and thanks for expressing your opinion.
You think that the map locale and premise cross the line of decency. As you can see just by this forum thread, there are people that would agree and disagree with you.
Some people would argue that making a game about war crosses the line of decency.
You split hairs (in another forum about this map) by saying that the wargame ET is okay for you because it is less realistic than the wargame Call of Duty 4.
Obviously the issue of decency for wargames is not black and white and people will continue to disagree ‘ad infinitum’.
The violence between soldiers in the most benign ET map is much more graphic than anything depicted in my map.
So, I support your right to not play the map but I hope more people who might at first be offended take death’s suggestion:
Perrycox, it’s a map for a game. It’s people like you that take things like this so seriously that make it not fun.
Get a life, Lighten up and get over it.
P.S. Although I’m sure you’ll still not want to play the map, in beta 2 I’ll remove the references to zyklon and call the cannister something like ‘explody thing’
allies steal the poison, and basically put it in a furnace causing a large explosion which destroys the building, it was confusing when I read it here, but when you play the map its better understod
[QUOTE=JAM;178635]
P.S. Although I’m sure you’ll still not want to play the map, in beta 2 I’ll remove the references to zyklon and call the cannister something like ‘explody thing’[/QUOTE]
Thats a good idea, really. It really was some sort of dark humour. (and the reason in first place, that i posted something)
i like dark humour xD
btw thornes mine is great
btw, u also had to model the hands holding it to fit?
[QUOTE=aaa3;178643]
btw, u also had to model the hands holding it to fit?[/QUOTE]
Erm… no. I opened the old landmine model and copyed it to my new model. But fingers didnt fit, so I had a headache, trying to fit those fingers, that had a lot of triangles.
Try 1: I made them too small - CTRL-Z
Try 2: It became too thin - CTRL-Z again
Try 3: Fingers were stuck in the landime - :mad:
Try 4: Everything was ok, but there was only the top of that landmine showing in the game :eek:
And so on…
The landmine is freaking awsome I dont know about creating models or maps. i’m just a admin of my own server. But always trying new maps when they are released. But loved the landmine the first time i saw it And now running it pubic on my 40 slot server . It’s nice that people give feedback about your map now. As your getting loads now
WOW! Even freaking awesome!
Maybe I should try making dynamite model or axis landmine for nq mod?
Btw, did you know this is a prototype of a real mine?
And did you noticed I replaced mine markers with mine model?