Need to tone down covert-ops handgrenades

(Wicky) #1

Why did you make it so, that a covert ops can keep his disguise when he throws hand-grenades while beeing watched by the lot of enemies?
I always assumed he would loose the stolen uniform as soon as the grenade explodes and kills some enemies, but as it is now, he can stand in the middle of a pack of enemies, blow some away with the handgrenades, and get away with it. Nobody can detect him even, since everyone could have thrown the grenade, except the fragged ppl who are in limbo :slight_smile:

(Jack) #2

No.

Simply because that is what a covert ops does! Althought I mostly see them drop satchel charges in groups of people. Kinda funny if ya ask me. I just hate being the guy stuck in the middle and noticing it before it goes off. Being blocked in by your own teamates sucks when death is immenant.

(Wicky) #3

??? Reading the post first can help, ya know.
First of all, the question was ā€œwhyā€ and this, we all know, canā€™t be answered by a yes or no ā€¦

(Jack) #4

I was responding to the title: ā€œneed to tone down hangrenades for Covert opsā€ā€¦ Simple yes or no answers to this.

If your asking about the disguise delema, because it really doesnā€™t give away the fact that he is a covert ops. ITS WHAT A COVERT OPS DOES!!!

He is supposed to infiltrate and cause havac. And in games its just the way it is: TF/TFC/Q3F/WT/and now ET.

My question is, if ya all were watching him drop the grenade, why did you stand next to it?

(Wicky) #5

Why, because you can keep the grenades ticking in your hand until the very last moment and they canā€™t evade it. Probably you havenā€™t seen a good covert ops do this, but he is effectively invulnerable and unspottable, unlike with all his other weapons.
If he drops a satchel, everyone sees that.
If he stabs somebody with knife in presence of other enemies, he gets revealed.
If he uses silenced or loud weapon with enemies present , he gets revealed too.
But if he keeps a handgren until the very last second and then frags some enemies instantly with it, nobody except the people know what hit em, and he can repeat without any danger. And a hand-grenade is a ā€œeverybodyā€™sā€ weapon, so he runs not the slightest risk, do you call that covert ops-style ? Throwing around with extremly loud hand grenades and not getting revealed?
I understand that he wonā€™t get revealed with satchel because even tho itā€™s a loud weapon, he still had to press the trigger on his radio-transmitter which is basically silent. Thatā€™s an exception. But for all other weapons the covert ops should be as described in the manual -> use loud weapons and get revealed.

Wicky

(SubstandardJones) #6

Heā€™s neither invulnerable nor unstoppable when doing that. There are a lot of ways to spot Covert Ops beyond what weapon they have out. The two that come to mind would be the fluctuating name of the person with the grenade, and him not showing up on the map. All of which takes about 1 second to figure out.

Is it an effective tactic for a Covert Ops to do? Sure, but thatā€™s because itā€™s what they are supposed to do. They get behind enemy lines and create confusion. Once he throws that grenade, his uniform is gone, and any surviving enemies get a chance to mow him down before he can even switch weapons.

(wudan) #7

Itā€™s all a part of the game, Iā€™m TIRED of such things being called bugs. It doesnā€™t allow for ā€˜unfairā€™ exploits that result in an unfair advantage, it just makes it more dynamic and fun.

Frankly, try playing the CvOps for a while. The guy had to avoid his own teammates while in disguise to get to your base, mix in with you and your buddies, ALL while not getting killed or being forced to reveal his identity.

WHEN he gets to your base, I think he should be able to toss all the grenades he wants. The fact that you get killed without warning and donā€™t get a TK message should tell you that you have a CvOps mucking things up.

I think the Grenade is a weapon which is stealthy enough that you canā€™t tell who threw it, especially when thrown well.

(Wicky) #8

Good examples!
Because the name is not fluctuating, Iā€™ve never seen that anything is wrong with the stolen names.
And because once he throws that grenade, his uniform is NOT gone, thatā€™s what the heck Iā€™m talking about!!
He throws the grenade, 3 of 5 enemies are dead and he still is in disguise!
Everybody is wondering who is the guilty, but now tell me how can you know who is the covert ops, when everybody left also holds a grenade in his hand?
You are thinking the same like I thought before, that once he throws the grenade this will blow his cover (like it should be) and thatā€™s the point of what we are talking about here. If somebody sees you tossing a grenade over to his friends blowing them up, that should definately remove his disguise or not ?

(Vengeance) #9

One of the best ways to spot covert ops is the name that shows up it appears quickly and dissapears quickly as mentioned earlier. Also u can spot a covert so easily by the weapon he is carrying.

If everyone is holding a nade has u said how come that guy is holding a allied nade and not a axis nade they are very different. In fact the only weapon u cant tell any difference with is the knife.

Also if the enemy sees u throw the nade u lose your disguise, i know this for a fact as i just tested it

To be honest i feel covert ops are far 2 easy to spot

(Gump) #10

Iā€™d say chucking a grenade into a group of soldiers definitately blows your cover, whether or not your uniform changes. If youā€™re one of the couple guys left alive, you should definitely be able to figure out who the guilty party is rather quickly.

(SubstandardJones) #11

Good examples!
Because the name is not fluctuating, Iā€™ve never seen that anything is wrong with the stolen names.
And because once he throws that grenade, his uniform is NOT gone, thatā€™s what the heck Iā€™m talking about!!
He throws the grenade, 3 of 5 enemies are dead and he still is in disguise!
Everybody is wondering who is the guilty, but now tell me how can you know who is the covert ops, when everybody left also holds a grenade in his hand?
You are thinking the same like I thought before, that once he throws the grenade this will blow his cover (like it should be) and thatā€™s the point of what we are talking about here. If somebody sees you tossing a grenade over to his friends blowing them up, that should definately remove his disguise or not ?[/quote]

Well I donā€™t know what game you are playing, but if someone SEES you toss a grenade as a Covert Ops, you lose your uniform. It happened to me just yesterday, and many a time after that. Any time you use any weapon as a covert ops and someone sees you do it, you lose your uniform, even silenced weapons.

And Iā€™ve caught dozens of enemy Covert Ops because I glance at them and their name fluctuates slightly before disappearing completely. Maybe you need to be more observant and youā€™ll catch more Covert Ops. They really are not that difficult to spot.

(VampMaster) #12

When you throw a nade, most peoples wonā€™t even know where it came from, that is why he doesnā€™t get revealed, most of the time they seem to come from nowhere.

I had this question, if you use a silenced weapon, does your disguise gets removed?

(Freedom[]Tickler) #13

I agree, its not a deal ending, unbalancing aspect of cov ops. I rarely get nailed by one I didnt notice first. Im pretty sure you lose your disguise after nade detonates. Just keep your eyes open man, war is hell.
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(Wicky) #14

Well just right now we played gold rush, i was an axis covert ops and the allies had just stolen the tank. I was near the tank disguised and there were a lot of allies soldiers around me, so I ā€œaccidentallyā€ dropped a handgrenade and blew two of them up. My disguise was still active so I calmly went to the command post, knifed the engineer constructing it, and then blew up one more of the allies with a grenade, and all this without loosing my stolen uniform.

So far Iā€™ve never lost my disguise when throwing a 'nade at an enemy on countless occasions, but on the other hand maybe this was just bloody coincindence and all these times just in the second it exploded everybody looked somewhere else, I canā€™t tell.
But if you say so that the disguise goes away if somebody directly watches you throwing a gren at his friends, then all is ok, because that was all which was my point.

(Vengeance) #15

You lose your disguise if u are seen shooting your weapon or seen throwing a nade. U keep your disguise if u kill ppl covertly hence the name Covert Ops

(Brinkman) #16

this thread is stupid

(fat boost) #17

Ok listen.

If someone sees you use ANY weapon, your cover is blown. Your uniform disappears. Even if itā€™s just a knife or a nade or a silenced weapon.