My opinion on the 2nd Gen Loadouts


(grandioseCutlet) #1

Since I can see many problems with that 2nd generation of loadouts, I’ll just write my global opinion on them. I don’t think the devs will care since they have probably planned everything, but I had some time to waste.

First of all, for some mercs, the loadouts can’t offer more possibilities since the mercs in question already have the perfect loadout.

How are you going to deal with Sparks 383? I know that people who spent money to have it in high rarities would be upset to see their hard-earned loadout changed, but I don’t see how you can balance her loadouts without touching 383.

Sparks is the most obvious example, but Aura is in the same situation more or less.

Aura BL41 for example is pretty much perfect, it has the 2 best medic augments and Double Time + M9 which is the best pistol.

For the rest of the mercs, I think you don’t really need to change any card, by making new powerful ones you can offer new possibilities, but at least for Sparks and Aura I think a little change is needed. And you can always do some kind of compensation for people who have these loadouts in silver+, you can for example offer them the card of their choice in the same rarity for the merc in question, that way they would still have their favorite card in the same rarity for this merc, in case the nerfed card is not their favorite anymore.

Vassili’s loadouts are somewhat balanced augment-wise, but you can’t really add new possibilities since almost all that matters is his secondary. MP400 is his best secondary, so the only relevant cards for him are the ones with MP400. You can’t really do anything about that, except making his new loadouts only with MP400, which is a little ridiculous (it had been said that the mercs would not have access to new weapons in the new loadouts, in case that applies to primary weapons only, then you can always do Vassili cards with the Empire-9 for example).

Also, the mercs who came out the latest have balanced loadouts most of the time, at least Phoenix, Thunder and Aimee (imo Stoker doesn’t really have balanced loadouts, I mean in a way they’re balanced since they all suck, but imo T65, M61 and S95 still stand out since they have Drilled and it’s basically his only useful augment). So these 3 mercs will still have 2nd Gen loadouts? I think their 2nd Gen loadouts should be the ones they have now (okay doesn’t really make sense but still) and they should get 1st Gen loadouts kind of like the mercs that came out previously (unbalanced but without OP loadouts ofc!). That way, some mercs wouldn’t have 18 good loadouts when the others would only have 10 or 11. That would look pretty messy and that would be unfair.

[b]So in the end, I think that no new loadouts should be created and that the existing ones should be tweaked so they’re all viable. I know people spent money on them, but I can see only 2 cards in the whole game which need to get nerfed. As I said, you can compensate. With a lot of buffs to the ridiculously weak loadouts and small buffs to the average ones. you could just have 9 good loadouts for every merc. People wouldn’t complain about their loadouts getting buffed, don’t worry.

TL;DR : 9 good loadouts per merc = THE DREAM[/b]


(Matuno) #2

Long text, I can already shoot it down.

They HAVE to make it a V2 batch, because they CANNOT change the existing cards. So people have purchased it with real money, or may have spent a lot of time crafting a higher level card with that loadout.

The merc cards you consider ‘perfect’, may not actually be ‘perfect’ in someone else’s eyes. Fire support mercs, for example, have very divided groups on what weapon’s the best / which augments are most useful. I run a Cobalt Kira with the unpopular Dreiss for example, she’s my ‘thang’.

TL;DR Can’t change it because people own it and would become upset if they lost it.


(doxjq) #3

The best thing they can do is introduce new augments, otherwise the V2 cards are a total waste of time like you say when there is already top cards to choose from. A thread was made not long ago with some really solid ideas. I really hope they included some of them, or some new ones of their own.


(Haki) #4

Don’t you want a MOA-loadout for vassili with quick eye, so you can quick scope even better ???

I know I do ! :smiley:


(grandioseCutlet) #5

[quote=“Matuno;171646”]Long text, I can already shoot it down.

They HAVE to make it a V2 batch, because they CANNOT change the existing cards. So people have purchased it with real money, or may have spent a lot of time crafting a higher level card with that loadout.

The merc cards you consider ‘perfect’, may not actually be ‘perfect’ in someone else’s eyes. Fire support mercs, for example, have very divided groups on what weapon’s the best / which augments are most useful. I run a Cobalt Kira with the unpopular Dreiss for example, she’s my ‘thang’.

TL;DR Can’t change it because people own it and would become upset if they lost it.[/quote]

You missed this part I think : you can always do some kind of compensation for people who have these loadouts in silver+, you can for example offer them the card of their choice in the same rarity for the merc in question, that way they would still have their favorite card in the same rarity for this merc, in case the nerfed card is not their favorite anymore.

No one loses anything, the rest is only buffs. I guess your Kira card is D82, would you complain if Extra Supplies became Unshakeable? Or if Cool became, let’s say, a new augment that increases the range of the laser? I guess you wouldn’t. Your card would be even better, as I said no one loses anything, I only said 2 cards in the whole game should be nerfed, and gave a compensation plan that would (I think) satisfy everyone. The rest would only be buffs, I don’t see how anyone could complain that their cards are getting buffed.


(LifeupOmega) #6

I think the purpose of gen 2’s will be to balance out the weapons with terrible augment choice. Just look at the M4 vs Timik vs BR augments for Skyhammer as an example, or, say, Fragger gets better BR cards too? A lot of mercs need better selection for guns without feeling like they’re gimping themselves overall, it’s a reason I never run Timik on Skyhammer despite loving it so much more than the M4.


(Szakalot) #7

[quote=“grandioseCutlet;171658”][quote=“Matuno;171646”]Long text, I can already shoot it down.

They HAVE to make it a V2 batch, because they CANNOT change the existing cards. So people have purchased it with real money, or may have spent a lot of time crafting a higher level card with that loadout.

The merc cards you consider ‘perfect’, may not actually be ‘perfect’ in someone else’s eyes. Fire support mercs, for example, have very divided groups on what weapon’s the best / which augments are most useful. I run a Cobalt Kira with the unpopular Dreiss for example, she’s my ‘thang’.

TL;DR Can’t change it because people own it and would become upset if they lost it.[/quote]

You missed this part I think : you can always do some kind of compensation for people who have these loadouts in silver+, you can for example offer them the card of their choice in the same rarity for the merc in question, that way they would still have their favorite card in the same rarity for this merc, in case the nerfed card is not their favorite anymore.
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which is exactly whats happening - you keep all of your old loadouts and can obtain new ones.


(Amerika) #8

And you can still buy the old loadouts in bronze in the shop for money or credits. So there won’t be a ‘have not’ situation when it comes to gun/augment choices. They just won’t drop in cases anymore if I remember correctly.


(Jesus) #9

[quote=“Haki;171656”]Don’t you want a MOA-loadout for vassili with quick eye, so you can quick scope even better ???

I know I do ! :D[/quote]

No I think quickscope should stay an Aimée only attribute. Thats like one of the difference between the two why would you pick Aimée over Vassili after that the guy has 110 hp and a machine pistol. Being able to quickshot people is a big + for Aimée and the snitch alone wouldnt make me want to play her enough when I have a 110 hp merc on the side that can do the same.
Aimée is a glass canon she can move fast kill fast and die fast. Vassili shouldnt get quickeye.


(Haki) #10

[quote=“Jesus;171672”][quote=“Haki;171656”]Don’t you want a MOA-loadout for vassili with quick eye, so you can quick scope even better ???

I know I do ! :D[/quote]

No I think quickscope should stay an Aimée only attribute. Thats like one of the difference between the two why would you pick Aimée over Vassili after that the guy has 110 hp and a machine pistol. Being able to quickshot people is a big + for Aimée and the snitch alone wouldnt make me want to play her enough when I have a 110 hp merc on the side that can do the same.
Aimée is a glass canon she can move fast kill fast and die fast. Vassili shouldnt get quickeye.[/quote]

It was meant as a joke, I wasn’t aware that quickscoping is something actually viable in Dirty Bomb :slight_smile:


(Yoma) #11

[quote=“Haki;172396”][quote=“Jesus;171672”][quote=“Haki;171656”]Don’t you want a MOA-loadout for vassili with quick eye, so you can quick scope even better ???

I know I do ! :D[/quote]

No I think quickscope should stay an Aimée only attribute. Thats like one of the difference between the two why would you pick Aimée over Vassili after that the guy has 110 hp and a machine pistol. Being able to quickshot people is a big + for Aimée and the snitch alone wouldnt make me want to play her enough when I have a 110 hp merc on the side that can do the same.
Aimée is a glass canon she can move fast kill fast and die fast. Vassili shouldnt get quickeye.[/quote]

It was meant as a joke, I wasn’t aware that quickscoping is something actually viable in Dirty Bomb :)[/quote]

Well viable… you must be good for this because unless you face sleeping enemies you got an very short time window before the enemy merc with an SMG/Rifle kills you on medium/short range.


(Freezer_Boss) #12

Phantom loadout v48 : bulldog auto shotgun , empire 9 , katana. Augments: chopper , chopper , chopper


(RyePanda) #13

That’s what I really disagree with. Both old and new cards should be available in cases, trade ups, and the store. Not letting the gen 1 loadouts to drop just seems like they’re trying to make less people get them, but as long as they’re in the store and in old players’ inventories, they might as well be equally accessible everywhere.


(TheStrangerous) #14

OK, I’m quite confused here with all the Generation 2 loadout cards here.

Will there be BOTH Gen 1 and Gen 2, or Gen 2 will REPLACE Gen 1?


(RyePanda) #15

[quote=“TheStrangerous;172423”]OK, I’m quite confused here with all the Generation 2 loadout cards here.

Will there be BOTH Gen 1 and Gen 2, or Gen 2 will REPLACE Gen 1?[/quote]

There will be both gen 1 and gen 2, but the gen 1 cards will not drop from cases apparently.


(doxjq) #16

Gen 2 will be in the system like the current cards are. They can be bought in store in bronze, traded up for silver / gold / cobalt, traded in, obtained from equipment cases / expert cases / elite cases etc.

Gen 1 will be available in the store in bronze only, like they currently are, but nothing more. You wont be able to trade up for gen 1 cards, or obtain silver/gold/cobalt gen 1 cards as far as I can tell.

Basically gen 1 cards will only remain in the store, but that’s it.


(dlux) #17

[quote=“Matuno;171646”]Long text, I can already shoot it down.

They HAVE to make it a V2 batch, because they CANNOT change the existing cards. So people have purchased it with real money, or may have spent a lot of time crafting a higher level card with that loadout.

The merc cards you consider ‘perfect’, may not actually be ‘perfect’ in someone else’s eyes. Fire support mercs, for example, have very divided groups on what weapon’s the best / which augments are most useful. I run a Cobalt Kira with the unpopular Dreiss for example, she’s my ‘thang’.

TL;DR Can’t change it because people own it and would become upset if they lost it.[/quote]

I spent about 1100$ on the game and i WANT all the existing shit cards to change, i have tons of cards that I will never touch.
Noone will be upset if they make shit cards good.


(Szakalot) #18

[quote=“Delukz;172506”][quote=“Matuno;171646”]Long text, I can already shoot it down.

They HAVE to make it a V2 batch, because they CANNOT change the existing cards. So people have purchased it with real money, or may have spent a lot of time crafting a higher level card with that loadout.

The merc cards you consider ‘perfect’, may not actually be ‘perfect’ in someone else’s eyes. Fire support mercs, for example, have very divided groups on what weapon’s the best / which augments are most useful. I run a Cobalt Kira with the unpopular Dreiss for example, she’s my ‘thang’.

TL;DR Can’t change it because people own it and would become upset if they lost it.[/quote]

I spent about 1100$ on the game and i WANT all the existing @$!# cards to change, i have tons of cards that I will never touch.
Noone will be upset if they make @$!# cards good.[/quote]

meh, you speak for everyone right?


(dlux) #19

[quote=“Szakalot;172507”][quote=“Delukz;172506”][quote=“Matuno;171646”]Long text, I can already shoot it down.

They HAVE to make it a V2 batch, because they CANNOT change the existing cards. So people have purchased it with real money, or may have spent a lot of time crafting a higher level card with that loadout.

The merc cards you consider ‘perfect’, may not actually be ‘perfect’ in someone else’s eyes. Fire support mercs, for example, have very divided groups on what weapon’s the best / which augments are most useful. I run a Cobalt Kira with the unpopular Dreiss for example, she’s my ‘thang’.

TL;DR Can’t change it because people own it and would become upset if they lost it.[/quote]

I spent about 1100$ on the game and i WANT all the existing @$!# cards to change, i have tons of cards that I will never touch.
Noone will be upset if they make @$!# cards good.[/quote]

meh, you speak for everyone right? [/quote]
Because people exist that actually prefer a sparks card other than 383? Right?
There are so many trash cards noone in their right mind would ever consider using, they need to be made decent.

You really think there will be people that will go: “DAMN YOU SD FOR CHANGING COOL IN TO AN ACTUAL USABLE AUGMENT!!11”


(AnonOmis1000) #20

And where are you getting info on gen 2?