My Biggest Disappointment

[Kalbuth]

Wow, the marketing team of a game company did overhype their product. That must be a freaking first!!!

You actually believe marketing BS? Really?

[fearlessfox]

Sometimes I hear a song and I love it. I play it over and over and over for a few days and really indulge in surrounding myself in its sounds and then, one day, I simply lose interest and never play it again.

Sometimes I hear a song and it hits me hard and slow burns its way into my consciousness and sticks there for a very long time.

There’s no rhyme or reason to it, it just happens that way. Some things have staying power and grow and mature, while other things delight briefly but don’t have the substance to sustain.

Some of you love Brink, and I would never tell you that’s wrong, but could it not be possible that there are people out there who “get” Brink, who love aspects of it, but simply cannot be sustained by what it offers?

If Brink were as amazing as some of you claim, it would simply be noticed more. We know enough by now to understand how the run and patch nature of the industry works, and this is why games like BC2 and BLOPS and other titles have survived through shoddy launches. People knew the games would get better. They knew that about the industry then, and they know that about the industry now… yet they’re still deserting the good ship Brink faster than most…

And it’s not because OBJ based play is so alien a concept that it alienates the mainstream by default. Had Brink been an absolutely amazing game it could easily have converted enough for it to snatch up a large percentage of the industry’s player base. Telling yourself otherwise is delusion.

There are enough intelligent and aware gamers in the world to support Brink and build an amazingly strong community.

That this hasn’t happened shows us that the core of Brink simply isn’t as strong as some of you profess it to be.

[Kalbuth]

Ahem, well, state of music industry today tells me a simple thing : the mass do not go for quality
They usually go for simplicity, and lowest common denominator

EDIT : which is why marketing BS works that well, btw

[fearlessfox]

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;323853]Ahem, well, state of music industry today tells me a simple thing : the mass do not go for quality
They usually go for simplicity, and lowest common denominator[/QUOTE]

Radiohead.

An example of an intelligent, innovative, and amazingly unique band who shouldn’t be as popular as they are but are because they’re simply brilliant.

If a niche thing is good enough, it will break through.

[eMwegA]

[QUOTE=Jess Alon;323846]Yeah but silly me. I love my wife in spite of her flaws and don’t stand around pointing her flaws out to her all the time. That’d make me an asshole wouldn’t it? And when my wife messes up I forgive her for it because I know she can do better because she’s that good because her past has proven it.

I just think it’s funny that people were so committed to this game and now they are like “Nope! You don’t get a chance to fix it!” Even though most games have bad launches. When Brink’s a success I’ll say I told you so.

If it’s not then I’ll still play it with my friends that understand the point of the game and aren’t hung up on all the other stuff.[/QUOTE]

what a weird analogy. Your wife has “flaws” okay. But shes overall still a nice person i guess. For me brink is just the “flaws”. nothing to love. Im pointing the flaws out on her so she wont trick another poor man into her expensive 50 bucks marrieage trap…

[Kalbuth]

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;323854]Radiohead.

An example of an intelligent, innovative, and amazingly unique band who shouldn’t be as popular as they are but are because they’re simply brilliant.

If a niche thing is good enough, it will break through.[/QUOTE]
And I can cite tons, and tons, of others equally brilliant, band, group, composers, whatever, who will never get any recognition. Worst, they will get trashed, because they ain’t Radiohead …

[stealth6]

If Brink were as amazing as some of you claim, it would simply be noticed more. We know enough by now to understand how the run and patch nature of the industry works, and this is why games like BC2 and BLOPS and other titles have survived through shoddy launches. People knew the games would get better. They knew that about the industry then, and they know that about the industry now… yet they’re still deserting the good ship Brink faster than most…

LOL, The launches of BLOPS and BC2 were the same if not worse than Brinks.
As in then people were also ranting 24/7 on the forums for weeks.

[BiigDaddyDellta]

this is why his stars get greener everytime i see him post, Jess you’re the man… if you are a man I mean

[A.i]

I am having a great time playing this game (atleast when the team is right), finaly something that is more than - fast aim in the head wins - shooter where all you can do is shoot…
Games like quake and UT are classic, cs was one of the first realistic fps games, but now all they do is clone paste them all around… I wonder how the gameplay is different between cod4, 5 and 6…

[riptide]

[QUOTE=Jess Alon;323846]Yeah but silly me. I love my wife in spite of her flaws and don’t stand around pointing her flaws out to her all the time. That’d make me an asshole wouldn’t it? And when my wife messes up I forgive her for it because I know she can do better because she’s that good because her past has proven it.

I just think it’s funny that people were so committed to this game and now they are like “Nope! You don’t get a chance to fix it!” Even though most games have bad launches. When Brink’s a success I’ll say I told you so.

If it’s not then I’ll still play it with my friends that understand the point of the game and aren’t hung up on all the other stuff.[/QUOTE]

I never said you didn’t overlook your wife’s flaws, that’s usually how all relationships work or they don’t last. But you also didn’t pay for her and got to know her before you were committed to her.

You also overlook the fact that you HAVE to voice any problems to have them rectified this applies to all aspects of life. You do not need to voice appreciation as you spoke with your wallet and well let’s be honest there is never going to be more acts of gratitude than the disgruntled roars.

It’s funny that you think people aren’t giving them a chance to fix it. I mean honestly who is going to say please don’t give me my money’s worth and be taken seriously? You also have to be delusional if you thought they were handling the situation in the best manner possible to aid people in having a positive outlook. If you throw a dog a bone it will quell his anger.

[Kalbuth]

[QUOTE=A.i;323861]I wonder how the gameplay is different between cod4, 5 and 6…[/QUOTE]It is not.
In fact, innovation in CoD is going backward, they strip parts of it when adding a +1 in the name. And the more they do it, the more it sells, because it is “quality” … /spit It tells you a lot of the state of gaming marketing, and how the mass react, and how in fact, looking at figures is all but showing you the quality of a product. It just shows you the quality of the marketing team (and the money they have)
They can then sell again what was common 10 years ago, in a few years, labelled as a revolution. You’ll see, soon enough, dedicated server support will be a major sell point for them …

[eMwegA]

[QUOTE=riptide;323864]I never said you didn’t overlook your wife’s flaws, that’s usually how all relationships work or they don’t last. But you also didn’t pay for her and got to know her before you were committed to her.

You also overlook the fact that you HAVE to voice any problems to have them rectified this applies to all aspects of life. You do not need to voice appreciation as you spoke with your wallet and well let’s be honest there is never going to be more acts of gratitude than the disgruntled roars.

It’s funny that you think people aren’t giving them a chance to fix it. I mean honestly who is going to say please don’t give me my money’s worth and be taken seriously? You also have to be delusional if you thought they were handling the situation in the best manner possible to aid people in having a positive outlook. If you throw a dog a bone it will quell his anger.[/QUOTE]

this is exactly what i wanted to say about that analogy. its just wrong. wich my english would be better, than i would have written the same

[fearlessfox]

And I can cite tons, and tons, of others equally brilliant, band, group, composers, whatever, who will never get any recognition. Worst, they will get trashed, because they ain’t Radiohead …

It was merely an example that it can happen. Of course brilliance is sometimes overlooked, that’s a rather trite idea.

Could it be that Brink is not actually (as much as it can be) objectively brilliant, but you like it a lot?

I have lots of things I like but know they’re not actually brilliant things. They suit a need, or purpose, and I love them for that but don’t hold them up like a beacon.

[QUOTE=stealth6;323858]LOL, The launches of BLOPS and BC2 were the same if not worse than Brinks.
As in then people were also ranting 24/7 on the forums for weeks.[/QUOTE]

As you forgot to read my post before replying, I’ll reiterate:

BLOPS and BC2 had ****ty releases, /but/ the games were strong enough despite those releases to keep player interest. Yes, people complain, but the numbers grew and the reviews were stellar across the board.

Brink had a ****ty release, and it seems it’s simply not strong enough to keep player interest in the hopes that it will improve. Player numbers are steadily falling and reviews have been divided.

[stealth6]

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;323886]
As you forgot to read my post before replying, I’ll reiterate:

BLOPS and BC2 had ****ty releases, /but/ the games were strong enough despite those releases to keep player interest. Yes, people complain, but the numbers grew and the reviews were stellar across the board.

Brink had a ****ty release, and it seems it’s simply not strong enough to keep player interest in the hopes that it will improve. Player numbers are steadily falling and reviews have been divided.[/QUOTE]

Well I’m trying to say that at that time people were also saying stuff like “this game is dead” etc…
You can’t say that Brink won’t be strong enough to get through this rocky launch since I don’t think you’ve seen the future… (it’s only been 2? weeks since launch)

You’re post is as if you’ve come from the future and are telling us what happened

Also as for reviews I stopped believing in their credit @ BLOPS, that game got almost top marks across the board, even for stuff like innovation. -> LOL

[SphereCow]

If Brink were as amazing as some of you claim, it would simply be noticed more. We know enough by now to understand how the run and patch nature of the industry works, and this is why games like BC2 and BLOPS and other titles have survived through shoddy launches. People knew the games would get better. They knew that about the industry then, and they know that about the industry now… yet they’re still deserting the good ship Brink faster than most…

Not really so true. They’re more mainstream than Brink and offer gameplay that fights a long established paradigm. Brink does not do this, and shares features with those games while changing them to suit it’s purposes. Unlocks, for example, are rewarded for completing the challenges that deem you worthy of being a good teammate and understanding the gameplay, rather than being good with weapons.

On the other hand, I get why people think the game is shallow.

[Jess_Alon]

this is why his stars get greener everytime i see him post, Jess you’re the man… if you are a man I mean

I’m all dude. Dude…

Btw off topic I just made myself the most bomb chicken parm with roast potatoes I’ve ever made ever. And I thought I’d celebrate in this post.

[Jess_Alon]

[QUOTE=stealth6;323892]Well I’m trying to say that at that time people were also saying stuff like “this game is dead” etc…
You can’t say that Brink won’t be strong enough to get through this rocky launch since I don’t think you’ve seen the future… (it’s only been 2? weeks since launch)

You’re post is as if you’ve come from the future and are telling us what happened

Also as for reviews I stopped believing in their credit @ BLOPS, that game got almost top marks across the board, even for stuff like innovation. -> LOL[/QUOTE]

BLOPS had some scathing amazon.com reviews. Made me avoid that thing entirely.

[fearlessfox]

[QUOTE=stealth6;323892]Well I’m trying to say that at that time people were also saying stuff like “this game is dead” etc…
You can’t say that Brink won’t be strong enough to get through this rocky launch since I don’t think you’ve seen the future… (it’s only been 2? weeks since launch)

You’re post is as if you’ve come from the future and are telling us what happened

Also as for reviews I stopped believing in their credit @ BLOPS, that game got almost top marks across the board, even for stuff like innovation. -> LOL[/QUOTE]

The numbers are dropping; I’m raising concern, not making predictions. Please read my posts clearly before replying.

And reviews, the fanbois convenience: when they work in favour they’re quoted all over, when they work against they’re dismissed as worthless.

GG.

[QUOTE=Luddens Desir;323895]Not really so true. They’re more mainstream than Brink and offer gameplay that fights a long established paradigm. Brink does not do this, and shares features with those games while changing them to suit it’s purposes. Unlocks, for example, are rewarded for completing the challenges that deem you worthy of being a good teammate and understanding the gameplay, rather than being good with weapons.

On the other hand, I get why people think the game is shallow.[/QUOTE]

While this is true, there are /more/ than enough players who appreciate OBJ based play and FPSs to keep Brink floating in heavy numbers for years to come.

Where are they?

[Jess_Alon]

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;323908]The numbers are dropping; I’m raising concern, not making predictions. Please read my posts clearly before replying.

And reviews, the fanbois convenience: when they work in favour they’re quoted all over, when they work against they’re dismissed as worthless.

GG.

While this is true, there are /more/ than enough players who appreciate OBJ based play and FPSs to keep Brink floating in heavy numbers for years to come.

Where are they?[/QUOTE]

fearless I found just the forum for you. You’ll be so popular.

Electronic Arts Forums - Official EA Site

I bet the developers are dropping in all the time to answer your questions and pat you on the head and tell you how smart you are too.

[fearlessfox]

[QUOTE=Jess Alon;323918]fearless I found just the forum for you. You’ll be so popular.

Electronic Arts Forums - Official EA Site

I bet the developers are dropping in all the time to answer your questions and pat you on the head and tell you how smart you are too.[/QUOTE]

Another wonderful troll post Jess, congratulations.