Map editor?

[SCDS_reyalP]

[quote=SCDS_reyalP]The game code for q3, rtcw etc has all been released. The engine code has not (and is quite spendy to license).

You sure they are not one in the same? If you download the source code for RTCW 1.41 you get EVERYTHING you need to compile a standalone game (except punkbuster). I thought it was the artwork and sounds you had to license if you want to sell something based on RTCW.

Many of us expected that the game code for ET would also be released

Just whine about it enough and you’ll get it like the people who whined about grenades and panzers.

Oh and the guy who said it would be easy to rewrite Jedi Knight 2 with the ET engine. ROFL. Start now and send me a postcard when your done.[/quote]
You are incorrect about the wolf source. It is only the game code, not the enge. I’ve downloaded and compiled it myself, so I know.

Re implement JK2 in ET, it would not be easy but it would be possible. Some of the total conversions for q3 have changes that are just as drastic, and yes, they took a number of people a few years to develop. That shows you how much you can do, even without the engine code.

Peeps also thought the source would not be available to wolf… it didnt come along until patch 1.33 was out if i think correctly

The difference is that for RTCW they said they were going to give it out right from start, whereas for ET, activision has stated that they will not.

[Domipheus]

[quote=Domi]you could not create a full standalone game, all you could do was make a total conversion mod.

the engine code costs several hundred thousand dollars to get

The point is that you could write a total conversion mod which played like q3 or sof2 or whatever. Look at urban terror compared to quake3. Doing something like that is no more work than making ET play like JK2.

More realisticly, maintainers of existing TCs might switch to ET, so that their users wouldn’t have to buy ANY game to play. That would be great for the TCs but bad for the sales the other games.[/quote]

Em, I never said that u could not make a total conversion that looks liek any other q3 engine, u can do that anyway, What i was saying is that u cannot make a totally standalone game, as u will always need the ET engine to play it.

You sure they are not one in the same? If you download the source code for RTCW 1.41 you get EVERYTHING you need to compile a standalone game (except punkbuster). I thought it was the artwork and sounds you had to license if you want to sell something based on RTCW.

All u get is the ability to compile a set of dll’s that will work on the ET engine, not the ability to compile a standalone game.

And dont say it is standalone because ET is free - it isnt.

Also, for you mapping maniacs out there (like myself) have a look here on how to start mapping for ET with the current GTK and q3map2:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168004

-Domi

[SCDS_reyalP]

Em, I never said that u could not make a total conversion that looks liek any other q3 engine, u can do that anyway, What i was saying is that u cannot make a totally standalone game, as u will always need the ET engine to play it.

-Domi

Right, but because ET is free, that hardly means anything. The point is it could take sales away from all the other q3 engine games.

With a free q3 engine available, what TC team in their right mind would use another q3 game as a starting point ?

[Domipheus]

Of course, but i think u misunderstood my post, i was replying to bogs in which he said the source code download was everything for a complete standalone game, when it isnt.

[bogs]

You are incorrect about the wolf source. It is only the game code, not the enge. I’ve downloaded and compiled it myself, so I know.

I’ve done the same, and when you compile a new client, it gives you a fresh exe and fresh dll’s so where is the game engine hiding? In the pk3 files?

Re implement JK2 in ET, it would not be easy but it would be possible.

The hard part would be the models, animation, artwork right?

The difference is that for RTCW they said they were going to give it out right from start, whereas for ET, activision has stated that they will not.

I still have my fingers crossed. Something tells me if the game is popular enough they will release the source and it looks to be pretty popular so far according to gamespy stats. knock wood.

[Domipheus]

it does not give u an exe, you must be in a dream world there m8

[digibob]

Just so we have an “official” word here about compiling the RTCW source. You do NOT get a new exe when compiling the freely released source fro RTCW, you just get back client, ui, and server dlls.

[bogs]

Just so we have an “official” word here about compiling the RTCW source. You do NOT get a new exe when compiling the freely released source fro RTCW, you just get back client, ui, and server dlls.

Why does the timestamp and filesize change on my exe after a full compile?

[digibob]

[quote=djbob]Just so we have an “official” word here about compiling the RTCW source. You do NOT get a new exe when compiling the freely released source fro RTCW, you just get back client, ui, and server dlls.

Why does the timestamp and filesize change on my exe after a full compile?[/quote]

I have no idea whatsoever.

[wudan]

You don’t. There’s no physically possible way.

[bogs]

You don’t. There’s no physically possible way.

Ahh, I stand corrected. I tried it last night and no new exe.

[Spud]

I want the sourcecode

I advise you to ban this idiot immediately. He writes hacks.