Make the balance work

(Begin2013) #161

[quote=“Amerika;136257”]That was my fault. I accidently included that thread in my giant merge of the 5+ threads on the same subject. I can’t un-merge it or I would.

Of course I think it had mostly come to a conclusion with most people agreeing that vote shuffle doesn’t need to be removed but instead limited. I’ll be entering a question with Fara to give to the devs about their thoughts on changing the system. I believe they are already aware of the abuse however but it doesn’t hurt to ask.

That was my fault. I accidently included that thread in my giant merge of the 5+ threads on the same subject. I can’t un-merge it or I would.

Of course I think it had mostly come to a conclusion with most people agreeing that vote shuffle doesn’t need to be removed but instead limited. I’ll be entering a question with Fara to give to the devs about their thoughts on changing the system. I believe they are already aware of the abuse however but it doesn’t hurt to ask. […][/quote]
@Amerika : You could merge your 4 firsts paragraphs too…

And you could merge every problem/feedback threads in a big “problems” thread. As it’s the same subject, “problems”.

(Apofenas) #162

It seems the thread i created was moved here by moderator. I’m confused. I thought my thread aimed to overhaul auto-balance was different from those “remove shuffle feature” threads.

(torsoreaper) #163

[quote=“Sploosh;135059”]
Thankfully, the devs are prioritizing balance issues this time around from what I’ve heard. [/quote]

Where did you see this? I haven’t been playing as much because it feels like matchmaking has gone down the tubes over the last month or 2. If I wait in a lobby and it miraculously doesn’t empty out, the server royally screws the teams. If I hotjoin, the teams are already screwed. I probably went from about 40% close matches down to like 10% close matches. the other 90% are blow outs.

(torsoreaper) #164

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;136228”]Here’s my question, why do you guys keep making threads about the same damn thing? There’s 3 including this one on the first page, making more isn’t going to magically fix everything, only thing that will is learning how to play the mercs and work together.

And now I look like a jerk, thanks mods[/quote]

Because it got merged it’s confusing. Are you mad about people complaining about shuffle abuse or mad that people are upset about team stacking and poor team balance/matchmaking issues?

I don’t think L2P will fix anything because the game will ALWAYS have striations of different skill levels so even if everyone on this thread became MLG level gamers, the server still would need to balance them appropriately with all the other non MLG players in the game.

If you’re L2P argument is to carry, so far I haven’t really seen anyone be able to Michael Jordan carry their team to victory but then again I play on the 14 and 16 player servers. Maybe in a 5v5 1 person can hard carry…

(PurpleHippo) #165

I often see shuffles called for when its a 6v5 or 7v6 match because the servers cant be filled, They could start by fixing this and make it so one person can only call for 2 shuffles per match (only one would call for complications if someone missed it or voted wrong because he was about to switch merc).

As for autobalance it should not be needed and if its implemented they better make sure it works in a reasonable way and not just toss over first person who dies.

(Ptiloui) #166

[quote=“Begin2013;136192”]Example of vote abuse on lvl 10+ server :

Ray called vote shuffle again and again. But the server has no balance issue. This happens all the time…[/quote]

If we look closer to the screenshot, a shuffle passed at 23:46:04 and some players get switched. Then, later, the same player call another shuffle at 23:47:23 ! Probably because he was still losing…

So… is shuffle system useless and need to be removed ?
Or… haters gonna hate, and shuffle system need a fix/some limitations ?

The devs should pick an option and (maybe) solve the problem. I mean, we’re in beta (even though imo i don’t consider the actual game version as a “beta”, it’s kinda fully released to me) and people feedback are important to the devs. If they refuse to consider this as a problem for some of their followers, then they will lose them soon.